I'm not sure if the article covers it, still reading, but one of the things they want to do to disenfranchise transfoks is to require the the name on your birth certificate matches you're legal name in order to vote.
As most married women don't change their name on their birth certificate when they take their husbands last name, they would not be able to vote either.
Interesting thing about that is that, while it's still common practice, a lot of more left-leaning women did away with taking their husband's name years ago
Yeah my wife and I just kept our name. Its funny because over the years we sorta wish we would have done the traditional thing as it would make a variety of things easier but now apparently its becoming a brilliant move.
Hey Americans: Don’t want to be oppressed or live in a fascist state? Immigrate to Canada! We’re hella friendly and open to people’s of all kinds, except MAGAs and Nazis and or maga-nazis
I would move up there next week if it was that easy and didn't mean probably losing my awesome job. Oh, and it might be a bit disruptive for my family, too.
I'm moving to Sweden but I'll be stopping by your way first! I'm too trans to let tsa look at my passport so I'm going to land travel to you all and take a plane out from there
Ha, if only that was an actual possibility. Most Americans will not qualify for immigration to Western countries.
I'd also hold off on thinking you'll be safe. Poilievre might be unpopular now, but there's a lot of time between now and the election. It's not a slam dunk for Liberal, fascism can absolutely still rise in your country too.
It depends on how much paperwork you do when you change your names, how much autocracy you want to fight
When my ex divorced me she warned me me she wasn’t going through that again so I just need to deal with her keeping my name. She kept half of everything else of mine so I guess it’s no difference
Long term, this seems like an effective way to end that custom. What person would go into marriage changing their name when they know this attitude is at play?
House Republicans passed a bill (which stalled in the Senate) this session to require citizens to have a passport or birth certificate matching their name to vote.
In British Columbia, there is no legal requirement to change your last name after marriage, and either spouse can legally use either last name at their leisure without any bureaucratic change. It is a genderless law.
My wife and I were talking about this last night. She chose not to change her name when we got married, as she's been down that road before and has no desire to do it again. I'm totally fine with it, she's been able to grow and discover things about herself now that she "wasn't allowed to" in her past marriage, and I love helping her realize that. We also just got our passports the other day - work wants me to get mine and paid for it, so she got hers as well.
I had to look that up to see if it was real, and sure enough—but I honestly shouldn’t be surprised. Utterly fucking revolting. On the other hand, the tee website display of a black man wearing it while saluting is pretty hilarious
This isn't a leaopards eating faces thing for republican women. These women derive social, economic, and political benefits through their association with the men who hold power in our patriarchal system. By aligning with backwards gender roles or evil ideologies, they feel protected and valued within the system even as it restricts their autonomy. They know what they're doing.
They do, but there is an assumption that the relationship between women like that and the wealthy ruling class men they attach themselves to is reciprocal. It, of course, is not.
Take the woman who has a child by Elon Musk. Her and Musk had a romantic getaway and brief liason. She clearly wasn't upset at being pregnant by him. There was an assumption that she'd be cared for. Even if not directly, indirectly. She definitely did not anticipate that she would actually be confined to an apartment 24 hours a day, entirely neglected without any contact from the father of her child. Nor that she'd be left with a child to raise on her own, and no support either financial or emotional or in terms of literal labor.
Call her ignorant and bigoted, both are valid criticisms. But she absolutely was not anticipating this outcome. There is a presumption from conservative/fascist women that they occupy a position of hierarchy over non-fascist/non-conservative women. That by virtue of supporting fascism and patriarchy that fascist men will afford them personhood. They don't believe in any of the assertions of feminism. They instead believe that women who suffer at the hands of men simply deserve it. That all women are judged in some kind of meritocracy, where belief in fascism and support of fascists itself is a determining factor of merit.
They are infuriatingly wrong. But do not be so quick to mischaracterize all conservative/fascist women as knowingly participating in the elimination of their own rights. They are systematically indoctrinated. Inexcusably, I will add. There is no justification for supporting fascists, no justification for supporting violence against women. To combat the ideology they espouse it is crucial to understand not just what they say but what they think.
There is a presumption from conservative/fascist women that they occupy a position of hierarchy over non-fascist/non-conservative women. That by virtue of supporting fascism and patriarchy that fascist men will afford them personhood. They don't believe in any of the assertions of feminism. They instead believe that women who suffer at the hands of men simply deserve it. That all women are judged in some kind of meritocracy, where belief in fascism and support of fascists itself is a determining factor of merit.
This may be true for some women, maybe in the "tradwife" and white supremacist circles. But if, as you say, it's critical to understand what these women think, you have to understand that they are not a monolith. There are other motivations to consider.
I was raised in a fundamentalist, evangelical church. Within that community, there was no presumption of a hierarchical position over other women. There was only our god-given position to be subservient to our fathers, and later, our husbands. We could either obey the divine plan to someday reach heaven or disobey it and be resigned to hell. There was no in-between.
Now, a reasonable person would see this as patently ridiculous. But the problem is that reason has no place in this worldview. You doggedly follow a literal interpretation of the King James Bible, or you go to hell.
Many years ago, when I was 16, I had asked for a particular privilege. And my mother agreed to grant it if I would listen to some audio tapes that she had of a series of sermons from a woman. Now, that was unusual in itself, because women are not allowed to teach men within fundamentalist churches (Because The Bible Says So™). So this was definitely a teaching that was only meant for women. What I heard was horrifying.
The entire point of this sermon series was to teach women how to be good, submissive Christian wives. The lesson of one tape was literally that if your husband commanded you to commit murder, you would have to do it, because God put him in charge of you and your duty to God was simply to follow orders from your husband.
A woman would not be judged for breaking a commandment if she followed the direction of her husband. The husband would be punished for causing someone to break God's commandments, but the wife would be spared because she was simply doing her duty as a wife to follow what her husband said.
Women's agency is completely removed in this scenario. Which sounds exactly like what the men described in the article want.
Again, the problem here is that reason has no purchase in this worldview. No amount of evidence or argument is going to change their minds or magically give them a sense of agency.
The wondrous simultaneity of having free will while being a product of the universe that created you.
When push comes to shove though, what do we do, remove a person's agency and look at the environment, or allow them their agency and make them responsible for their choices?
I feel like answering this paradox is akin to reconciling quantum mechanics with general relativity.
They believe, it’s a woman’s fault if she gets raped. Wrong clothes, wrong place to be, wrong friends, wrong man, wrong.
Why do they believe this? Control. If it’s the woman’s fault, then it is preventable, she only needs to do the right thing.
And now apply this to a greater scheme. It’s a woman’s responsibility how men are treating her, not by voting or being successful in her job or god forbid being a politician, no, just by modesty and pleasing her husband. And if a woman still gets hurt, well, she probably wasn’t modest enough. So getting extremer is the answer.
That’s how they are thinking.
I read years ago that white republican women will put up with being treated as lesser in their circles in order to treat others as lesser. So they're fine with being spoken down to and shuffled aside so they can feel free to yell at minorities.
Well surely it was never going to affect them. They are one of the good ones, it's the others that need to be controlled. Why would they ever come for me if I am living a proper God fearing life?
Not a USA citizen, but a Hungarian, but I think some stuff still holds ground in the USA ground: They primarily think these right-wing radicals are just "jolly little conservatives", and not radicals, since they call themselves "conservatives". Contrary to the naive liberal belief, conservatism isn't just a jolly little belief of personally held traditions and healthy patriotism, it's just "fascism lite" which will turn full-out fascism once the checks and balances are removed, or getting extremely frustrated with social change.
And also there's the whole "you will get more conservative as you get older" propaganda, which makes a lot of young people "skip the liberalism and fast-forward to the inevitable", and they either want to remain conservatives because "jolly little belief of personally held traditions and healthy patriotism", or they believe they can't leave. Many also go down the hate road, and they'll get called all kinds of names if they forgive wrongdoers who were part of a minority, and they don't weaponize that wrongdoing into genocidal thoughts. We seriously need to counter this whole "you will get more conservative as you get older" with something. Can someone contact Innuendo Studios? I have an idea for an episode of "The Alt-Right Playbook" if he still haven't made one on this topic.
There is a real lack of critical thinking, too. I legit know a few Republican women that honestly think that not eating meat will make a man effeminate, and that men that eat meat are more manly.
Obviously due to stupid marketing, but even in their cinematic universe where this is "true" it makes no sense and has no consistency. I've asked them if they think that women that eat meat are going to spontaneously sprout a penis.
Yeah, no.
US society is nothing like islamic societies. A faction if the rabid right thinks like this, and the rest of the right may agree to an extent, but they are aware that they can't sell that to the majority.
Plus, too many women jusdges.
''Everyone is too reasonable for this to happen, despite the fact that the people in charge of every branch of government have repeatedly made it clear this is what they want to do''
Yes, most people are against this. Also most people are pro choice, or at the very least pro choice in cases of medical necessity, rape or incest, and most people are against laws specifically designed to ethnically clense the US of Hispanic people entirely, or laws that prevent children from accessing modem healthcare, or an unelected billionaire acting as though he's the president.
Most people being against something doesn't mean they won't do everything to make it happen. This has been in the works for the federalist society and so called family values groups and fundamentalist Christian nationalists for my entire life, this isn't an accident that is happening now.
Tis is gonna be one of the most delicious schadenfraude of all. They think they are safe, but soon enough they are going to discover how important is being a white straight able-bodied male for these fascists. And how unimportant they are outside of a bedroom or a kitchen.
Ever hear one of those stories about a Military wife who believes Rank is sexual transmitted so she has all the authority of her husband?
That's how they think.
It's not that all women are lower than all men, it's that the wife has the defacto "rank" as the their husband.
Disclaimer:
Obviously I'm not saying I agree with it, but that's how they think and why they're ok with this.
You have to think like them, they're "property" so treating a man's wife badly is like going up and pissing on his giant truck, the man will "handle" the offense. And the only way for a woman to gain social ranking is marrying a "powerful" man.
A frightening amount of woman think that's a good system.
I will not enjoy seeing all American women being marginalised. I will, however, enjoy seeing Americans finally exercising their right to protest a fascist government.
Scanning the article, the practical threat (besides crazy ideological stunts) seems to be stealth disenfranchisement of this type:
House Republicans passed a bill (which stalled in the Senate) this session to require citizens to have a passport or birth certificate matching their name to vote. This would be a back-door ban on voting for any woman who took her husband's last name and doesn't have a passport, an estimated 69 million women. It would also disproportionately affect Republican women, who are more likely to be married, more likely to have changed their name and less likely to have a passport.
A passport always contains the current last name. If you took on a new one you have to get a new one issued. That's standard pretty much all over the world.
Edit:
Ok, a lot of users wrote that there's no ID card/paper that's common in other parts of the world. In my country a driver license is not enough to prove my identity because it's not an ID card.
No one in my family has a passport. So with this law only the men could vote, unless they spend the money to get a passport despite not aiming to travel.
Other than a driver's license, most of them don't have any ID.
They don't have any sort of unique ID number either. They have a social security number, which is not guaranteed to be unique. Two people can have the same SSN. One person can have two SSNs. You're apparently supposed to keep your SSN secret, but they're assigned somewhat sequentially and they get leaked a lot. It's a clusterfuck.
Most citizens in the divided states of southern north america do not have a passport though. And a birth certificate doesn't have your current last name on it if you took someone else's in marriage. That's the point.
This is the part that's mistaken: you don't need a passport if you don't travel to foreign lands. As far as I know, Americans usually prove their identity using a driver's license, rarely using a passport.
really... yeah, let's shed a tear for the poor republican women, waving "Mass Deportation Now" signs. They didn't seem to care about dehumanization so much then. Now they are the ones being dehumanized, hopefully they'll remember how that feels come mid-terms.
Dehumanizing? I am just saying they should get what they asked for.
But here the thing: being a minority isn't a choice, being gay isn't a choice. Being a republican is. But if that is dehumanizing then so be it. They can join humanity again whenever they want.
What if wanting to believe that there is some nice place that good people go when they die, leads people to support the mass murder and immiseration of countless women, children, queer people and BIPOC?
Religion is, and probably always has been a means of control. That's not to say that it is that at every level, or that it's only that. Religion is designed to bring you comfort and assistance in your times of need, while charging you a fee for the service. The business has to run, the staff and bills have to be paid, the top officers need to be fabulously wealthy. Not all religions are against Women, Children, BIPOC, and LGBTQ, but if you're trying to exert control, they make easy scapegoats. White men make all the money, Let us hold down all these minorities so you can smother them to make yourself feel better, now pay us.
One of my friends attends and assists with a great little church. It's a small, modest community church. The pastor is gay, and drag queens come to read stories occasionally. The place is just kept up with. They're not squeezing 30% out of the community. I'm not one for church, but I approve of what they're doing wholly.
Religion takes the best parts of human nature, and convinces people that these things come from some big other, who is always watching and judging us. It turns us inside out, and the world upside down. I don't get mad at god or judge people for being religious but anything that convinces good people that they are fundamentally evil is itself the opposite of goodness.
It is absolutely a method of control, its no coincidence that the emergence of basically all the major religions coincides with the rise of class domination.
"With or without religion, good people would do good and bad people would do evil. But to make good people do evil takes religion."
My prediction for a future military incel recruitment poster:
Join the America Russia North Korea (ARNK) alliance in our war against the WOKE DEI Euro Chinese Soros COMMUNIST SCOURGE and you will be guaranteed a VIRGIN wife! ENLIST TODAY!
Considering that if the US started to support NK against South Korea, I don't think it is inconceivable that they would become just one Korea. (By North overrunning South)
They needed conservative women to vote this felon. And now they don't need them because he plans to stay forever.
This will happen with everyone that supported him. He has disdain for everyone except himself.
He will turn on everyone. His ego is massive and he is power trippin' right now.
I can't wait until he tries to fire the Supreme Court and not replace anyone.
Trump Jong Un coming soon. When they complete a border wall with Canada, we are locked in.
It’s weird having a branch of my family that has these values and family structure. They’d probably support the idea of the male head of a family having the only vote. And yet, they clearly don’t agree that men should be able to beat their wives, because it happened to one of their daughters and they quickly helped her leave her abusive husband. Good people with very backwards ideas.
For the believers, I think that tmany would be fine with this. It reinforces their preferred structure of a patriarchy in which they have a well-defined place and role (head of the domestic household, subservient to the man). No worries about having to deal with a fickle job market or figuring out what you want to do with your life. Your life path is set (get married, raise kids, take care of family), and, for some, that well-defined role the status that it conveys is really comforting. It provides a sense of security.
It's why, I expect, while there are many who fight it, there are plenty of women in Muslim societies who are fine with things as they are. We emphasize with those women who chafe at that and fight it since we've history valued the individual rights of self-determination and freedom, of course.
Thats a big allure of the American taliban to some folks. It provides structure and defined roles in a chaotic world.
Of course, republican men like it for the power, but more importantly, that women voters mostly vote against them. Stopping women from voting would cement them in power.
If you gloss over the fact that it could be FUCKING VOLUNTARY instead of hate crime. your point is valid for anyone that loves to be forced to do things they don't believe in
I'm not arguing for it, I agree that it's fine if it's a free choice. I don't think personally that it's a good one, though.
My point is that many of the women pushing this on the republican side view all of this, including their own loss of rights, as a positive likely. It's not like a "leopards eating faces" or "voting against their interests" situation where they might be reachable.
Incels aren't getting shit out of this, this benefits rightwing patriarchs who have abused wives at home.
Incels are alone in a basement or some shit dreaming about being the rightwing patriarch but the rightwing patriarch doesn't likely feel anything but disgust for the incel. They'd purge the incel in a heartbeat if they could.
As a single WASP (ok well, I grew up protestant) male in my 30s, who has the confidence of an abandoned kitten, how exactly does this benefit me?
Like I feel like this is supposed to be about men like me getting more power over women. But I fail to see how that helps me at all.
All I can see is that they start here, remove voting rights next, then they remove the ability for women to be licensed to be doctors, or lawyers, dentists, etc. That's gonna fuck my life up immensely.
Just so women can't have a say? Why?
Conservative views on women are absolutely confusing. I know we have to abandon logic with them, but maybe that's the part I don't understand: how the fuck do I think without logic?
That's the thing: it isn't. The patriarchy is bad for 95% of men, as well, but a huge chunk of those believe it's good for them because at least they're not a woman.
It's not about what's good for you, it's about what's good for the people in power. And as women increasingly turn away from the Republican party, they're going to want to disenfranchise them.
Conservatives believe hierarchies are natural and unavoidable. If you can push someone else down on the hierarchy then that will put you higher up on the hierarchy then you were before. Shrinking someone else's piece of the pie leaves more pie available for you.
I actually think it's more targeted toward the Andrew Tate and Fresh and Fit follower types, and the propaganda does appear to be working on younger men, who are rapidly becoming more "conservative." They're extremely insecure in their masculinity, and think the subservience of women would be affirming.
Of course, it actually just hurts everyone, barring the people that benefit from keeping the working class divided.
Do remember that it's only some men that will get that power, not all men. WASP is just the start of the verification process for you. The lie that men like you will get this power is what gets regular joes to buy in without realizing they'll never see those promises materialize.
I've worked enough retail to know that there are plenty of people out there who will gladly jump at the opportunity to be a petty tyrant themselves.
It benefits you, because with almost half the population removed from the paid labor pool, you are more likely to earn more, and get jobs you likely would not have gotten before.
They are fine with women being doctors and dentists. They won't have any respect for those professions if they are female dominated, but they are caring roles so they fit into the fundie worldview. Lawyers might make them uncomfortable. They would be fine with women as paralegals, but they would want a man in the courtroom and the boardroom.
None of them should be paid well enough to live truly independently. Can't have women building wealth outside of marriage. It's a process really. Give them a couple generations in power and they might clamp down on employment outside the kitchen or the nursery.
I'm not from the US: What happened to Katie Britt, who gave her response to Biden's State of the Union address from her kitchen? Is she happy now? I mean, not that I wanted to criticize anyone, but that was totally obvious even before the election.
I mean, a major problem in society is that two incomes are required to pay off a mortgage - and making one member of that equation unable to work society wide would solve that, leading to mortgages and hence housing price calibration (calibrating it to a single wage income)....
...but I was kind of hoping that wouldn't be a product of gender segregation. Also this seems like it's going to affect a lot of other things and people women's autonomy and hence freedom and safety in jeopardy.
I think it’s adorable that people believe that the capitalists would do away with female labor instead of going back to the good old days of just devaluing it. The myth that women didn’t work outside the home is a fiction. Only the upper classes could afford such a luxury. Poor woman always had to work, often for much less pay.
Poor woman always had to work, often for much less pay.
Exactly. Women always worked - they were just segregated into lower paying jobs and had less rights (pregnant? no more job for you! and since you’re desperate, enjoy the shitty working conditions).
There will always be poor single mothers that have to work to support their family. They just won’t have labor protections.
Realistically, the loss of women's income would lead to a housing crisis as millions of families are unable to pay their mortgage, but it's naive to think housing prices will plummet. Plenty of vulture capital firms and the like will happily scoop those houses up to rent back to us in perpetuity.
Except the amount they’d need to rent them for just to break even would still be just about as high as the mortgage payment would have been, so they’re gonna lose out there, too.
A better calibration would be a three day week so one person could work and one person could do household stuff on any particular day and you still have a day to enjoy together.
Sad to see that people thing this is the working class fault and not the rich class fault. Just like everything from recycling plastic global warming, and child marriage
Can't wait to see all the videos of right-wing women surprised: "What?!! No one told us he was going to do this! We thought when he said he hated women he was only trolling/owning the libs/joking around!"
There is some phrase involving (symbolic) intercourse and uncovering knowledge describing the sequence of events rather well. What was it again? Have sex and be enlightened? 🤔
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