Europe says it is ready to back EU membership for Ukraine

Maybe Trump shitting on everything and making Europe realize they don't need the approval of the US to breathe was the best thing that could have happened to Ukraine.
- I think the world is starting to wake up that maybe we don’t actually need America, at all. People will go where the jobs and economy is. America might not be that soon enough.
  
  I was thinking one of the best things that could come out of this is if the US split into multiple countries
  
  I think that's Putin's plan with Trump. I'm not sure they have something on him more than he's just a complete moron that will destabilize the USA from inside.
  
  All it took was a fifth columnist takeover and both sides of my family and my wife's being disconnected from their roots for more than an entire generation... 🥳
  
  Yeah, unfortunately I live here, so while this is great for others, it isn't so great for us.
  
  BRICS is already eating their lunch. The US is floundering badly.
- I think we're in for some rocky times over the next few years, but I think the world will be better off with the USA knocked down a few pegs. They are too large and their general population is too easily swayed by nonsense.
  The question is, will the population learn anything by being starved out or will they continue to blame anything but their own hubris?
  
  we are, today, russia 15 years ago. i'm putting in as much work as i can to not be russia as it is now in 15 years.
  
  UK is still coming to terms with Brexit, which happened in 2020, and many will still argue it was a good idea, just badly executed.
  
  And the rest of the world, particularly the EU, needs to realize that if they don't pull close together they're going to be squeezed out by large forces in the world. I mean look at the influence it already has as a bloc - if they'd cooperate more closely they could be an equal power to contrast China and the USA. Which is why there are forces working overtime to keep EU nations apart.
  
  I fear we are well on the path as was described by Robert Heinlein a while back:
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22If_This_Goes_On%E2%80%94%22
  Unfortunately I don't expect things to go well I'm the states. I really hope I'm wrong in that...
  
  Good question. Germany only "learned" by being forced to change after military defeat (and even so, the AfD has been making progress). That's not going to happen here - it will have to be the harder way, total societal collapse.
- I 100% agree that the changes our former allies are making to be more independent from the US are good for them and probably the world as a whole. I do think the the parallel weakening of the US as a world power is what Putin wants for Trump and his ilk to do. My hope is that the economy is hit so hard and people suffer so much that it spurs change before we're past the point of relatively short term recovery (5-10 years, not 20+).
  We just need a handful of Republican reps to decide that they don't actually want to give up all of their power to a dictator and his gang, or that maybe they don't want to be associated with the Nazi party. Just a few change their mind, impeach, and remove. Maybe the first time a member of Congress eats a bullet outside of their residence because someone reached the end of their rope, others will act out of fear. I've got my fingers crossed for who I hope it is.
  
  Just one? My list is far longer.
- Trump does shake shit up and sometimes, good things come out of it. It's not worth the cost of the bad things though, because it's usually everyone below the 1% that suffer.
- the best thing that could have happened to Ukraine.
  And therefore the world
- Yeah now when the ukrainian kids will be kidnapped and sent to the frontline they will have brand new FAL.

Less talking and more acting.
- It might actually happen more now after the results of the recent German election. They formed a two-way coalition which makes it much easier to do anything.
  
  No coalition has been formed as of today. Germany was supportive of a Ukrainian EU membership before the elections as well. Nothing has changed on a European level after Germany's elections.

That's just messaging from leadership on future direction.
Unfortunately, Orban has not magically stopped being Putin's toadie.

I think Ukraine should definitely join, but right now we desperately need to reform the veto system before taking any more members

Ukraine first and hopefully Canada soon after.
- And US, in the end, we need to help them. We should write down a list of reforms for them, they got people shooting at themselves, living in tents along the streets, they're full of drugs addicted, obesity, low quality education, and so on. Let them apply too
  
  It's so funny that even the altruistic Americans don't ever see the benefits of support deals, only that they're either helping or taking.

- The EU defense clause gets triggered, which is basically a weak obligation to provide "assistance". It's not an automatic call to arms like NATO's A5.
  
  I think it's generally agreed upon that Art. 42 (7) of the EU-Treaty is stronger than Art. 5.
  EU: If a Member State is the victim of armed aggression on its territory, the other Member States shall have towards it an obligation of aid and assistance by all the means in their power, in accordance with Article 51 of the United Nations Charter. This shall not prejudice the specific character of the security and defence policy of certain Member States.
  "an obligation of aid and assistance by all means in their power"
  vs
  NATO: The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
  "as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force" means direct military support isn't a guarantee.

Time to protect yourselves from Putin and his puppet.

Going to be blocked by multiple countries.

The mark of Ukraine Rada looks so cool
- ...no?
  I think you mean the Ukrainian coat of arms. Or the tryzub in general, very common in Ukrainian heraldry and branding.
  
  oh, thanks for the correction!

Ursula Von Der Leyen, head of the UE commission, have been indicted in multiple case of corruption and is notoriously in bed with the weapons industry and big pharma. She's as rotten as Putin.
I know the jingoists will hate me, but hey, you're just some big bombs shill. Germans pretending to care about Ukraine must be the biggest hypocrisy ever lmao. We all know who's paying for the bombs. This war is just subsidy to thales and airbus.

Will Ukraine take the bait again?
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2024/10/03/ukraine-is-closer-to-nato-than-ever-mark-rutte-says-during-kyiv-visit