Joe Rogan dethroned by anti-Trump podcast in the charts

Why don't they list MeidasTouch in the headline?
Better title: "Pro-America podcast MeidasTouch dethrones shitty pro-donvict podcast in the charts"
- Eeeeh. I can't be the only one who won't touch something described as "pro-America" with a ten foot pole.
  
  I will say, before the election, i was watching them pretty hard. I dropped it for my own mental health after the election though. I wasn't a huge fan of Ben Meiselas because he became more and more sensational but I really liked Michael Popoks legal commentary. I felt like Ben started shading into the tone and repetition patterns of the far right podcasters but either way, they both always had their facts straight and everything they said and predicted was backed by evidence and legal experience. Popok is a smart fuckin dude though.
  Also, I'd say they're "pro democracy" as that's the line they always pushed unless it changed after the election.
  If you want to ease into it just check out Popoks stuff as it's way more objective. I learned so much about the legal/judicial system from him and it was all validated by other sources.
  
  I think it's a mistake to let the right winger take claim to everything related to patriotism and national symbols.
- newsweek.com, a known right wing source, thats why.

Just listened a bit. These guys deep dive quite a bit, but I hope that this bump is from people who are previous Trump voters that now realize how fucked they are by Trump and get angry.
- Unlikely. Trump is a cult. He can do no wrong.
  
  He's created that in large part because of the media environment around him. Many republicans were upset and outraged on Jan 6th until they heard the fox news, rogan, etc line
  Change the media consumption and a lot will follow from there. Changes to which media are more dominate are going to matter more than people think
  
  Not with that attitude. But go off! keep perpetuating it
- Do they actually do interviews with experts? Or is it just two dudes pretending to be experts and presenting (mis)information
  
  Yes they do. They also interview a lot of the Democratic congress critters. The lawyer that represents Luigi has been a regular contributor to the Meidas Touch for the last year or so.
  
  Jon Stewart's podcast is also good if you want interviews with experts. He also gets far more nerdy and into the weeds in his podcast than he ever was allowed to on TV or streaming

Less than a month into the new administration, the rise of the left-leaning MeidasTouch to become the country's most popular podcast indicates a potential shift in tone currently resonating with Americans.
Is it actually Leftist or is it liberal? I'd welcome a number one Leftist show, but I don't think most USA citizens are politically literate enough to know the difference. We've been brainwashed by decades of propaganda to think liberalism is synonymous with Leftist.
- They self identify as progressive and it seems that they are, so definitely not liberals. I stopped clicking Brian Tyler Cohen videos though because he does clickbait bullshit like "trump gets NIGHTMARE legal news" or "trump campaign SUNK" and it ends up being some legal bullshit they have to re-file because they messed it up the first time, or something stupid like that. Seriously just scroll through his shorts. It's awful.
  
  Gotta play the YouTube algorithm sadly
  
  I stopped watching him when he did his show from that expensive looking booth at the DNC.
- I wanna see TrueAnon up there…
  
  This guy's close. Tried watching it and it was hard. But then again I never tried Rogan as he seems like a turd. Maybe people just want loud obnoxious content that doesn't teach you much... Guess it feels better then it being on the right wing nazi sphere...
  
  My friend. May Brace bless you and keep you.
  Next up, QAA Podcast.
- Center right liberal
- Oh, so like Pod Save America. Ok, I'll avoid the shit out of it. Thanks!
- leftist, almost always comes from right wing sources. in the usa there isnt a true political left.
  
  There is... but it's not the Democrats.
- They specifically said "left-leaning" to stop people like you from asking stupid questions like that. Stop gatekeeping anti-fascism.
  
  I don't think you're as familiar with the meaning of terms as you think. Some people call the NYT left-leaning. They absolutely are not. They are a liberal publication and that has a different meaning.
  This is what I meant when I said USA citizens have been corrupted by decades of propaganda. Conservative idiots genuinely believe socialism is about making people eat bugs as opposed to helping people out and doing things for their betterment. And liberals genuinely believe that they are Leftists. But go ahead and call my question stupid.
- If "leftists" oppose the definition of liberalism then they're not leftists.
  
  Wow, I didn't think I'd have need to copy / paste a post from thirty seconds ago!
  I don’t think you’re as familiar with the meaning of terms as you think. Some people call the NYT left-leaning. They absolutely are not. They are a liberal publication and that has a different meaning.
  This is what I meant when I said USA citizens have been corrupted by decades of propaganda. Conservative idiots genuinely believe socialism is about making people eat bugs as opposed to helping people out and doing things for their betterment. And liberals genuinely believe that they are Leftists.
  
  Can you explain what you mean by this? I don't see how recognizing the ideological difference between leftism & liberalism makes someone not a leftist... they differ pretty strongly on their central economic thesis, which is sort of a big deal given how influential the economy is in... like literally every area of our society & political systems...
- We need to start calling ourselves something else. Liberal and Leftist isn’t doing us any favors and is keeping people alienated from messages that may otherwise reach them. Maybe Centrists?? The labels are keeping us divided, but Centrist is like saying you are a rational human, and I think many people consider themselves to be that. Need to have a more unifying “label”.
  
  This will only lead to the workers' cause being diluted. Leftism is socialism. It is anti capitalism. It is named in opposition to the right wing deliberately. The dichotomy exists for a reason. Our enemies are capitalists. They are the ruling class. Diluting our cause achieves nothing but losing revolutionary momentum.
  We need louder leftist voices. We need the messaging to get as far and wide as possible. The far right has been winning at this. They own the tech companies, the social media giants, they run the algorithms. We need to push people further and further off of those platforms and amplify leftist voices as loud as we can. We need more propaganda. We need more organization.
  
  Centrist conveys not having any clear ideology. I am for helping people.
- Oh God, not this hexbear twisted logic. Back to Shillville.
  
  Leftists would care what you think about it if liberals hadn't just spent a century killing and persecuting them.
  Being a leftist is not the same thing as being on your national left, cope.
  
  Can you imagine if every time someone pointed out the difference between Democrats & Republicans, we had to sit through endless comments of people speaking up to say things like "don't gatekeep fascism, mom!!" or "not this moneybear twisted logic!!"?
  Liberalism and Leftism broadly disagree on their respective core economic tenants. They're ideologically further apart than Democrats and Republicans. And yet, you struggle to comprehend them as distinct entities without getting upset and triggered... if you seriously consider it divisive to understand that diversity of opinion on the left is good and a sign of a healthy democracy, I don't know what to tell you.
  You need to take a good long hard look at what you're promoting here. Not everybody needs to think the same or adhere to exactly the same ideology in order to be deserving of respect and work together with others for common causes. We don't need everyone to be grouped under one label for collective action and agreeable democratic reforms to take place. In fact, it's important that we aren't grouped that way... it's detrimental to us all regardless of whether you're liberal or left.
  
  Liberalism isn't Leftism. It's corporate.
- How are you sure that you haven't bee brain washed?
  The left-right spectrum is a construct. It doesn't line up at all with reality. In reality, tribalism is 90% of politics. Most people vote the way their parents do. Some rebellious types don't, and instead just conform to whatever their peer group thinks on political matters. Ideology is a post-facto rationalization for all of this.
  Currently the "leftist" tribe is becoming more and more into alignment with the fascist tribe. You both show a common disdain for those in the opposition "liberal" tribe after all. And that's what really matters in all of this mess. Leftists have joined fascist movements in the past, they just come up with rationalizations (which they have a lot of practice with) for why that's the ideologically correct thing to do.
  
  US liberals are generally center-right. They mean progressives.
  
  Fascism is very specifically a right wing ideology. You're thinking of authoritarianism, which can go both ways. There is no such thing as lefty fascism.
  
  "We're all just cavemen throwing spears at the other village" is not a tremendously helpful or thought-provoking insight, no matter how much truth there is to it.
  Government policy is definitely not some illusory construct no matter how poorly the public comprehends or interacts with it.
  
  I'm 14 and this is deep vibes. Do they respect human rights or not
  
  And yet again.
  I don’t think you’re as familiar with the meaning of terms as you think. Some people call the NYT left-leaning. They absolutely are not. They are a liberal publication and that has a different meaning.
  This is what I meant when I said USA citizens have been corrupted by decades of propaganda. Conservative idiots genuinely believe socialism is about making people eat bugs as opposed to helping people out and doing things for their betterment. And liberals genuinely believe that they are Leftists.

According to Podscribe.
Which collects data from more than the single-source Spotify.
- Ugh Ben Shapiro is that high?
  
  Candace Owens is higher....
  
  For me it's the recent percentage in increased subscribers. Is Ben Shapiro better/worse than Rogan? Isn't he branded as a more "intellectual" to those who listen to both? F.
- How the fuck did Klandace get such a boost?
  
  By having a black female, the right can point to a single source when accused of being either racist or misogynist. No longer do they need to remember two separate podcasts to affirm they are neither racist nor misogynistic. That leaves them much more time to beat off to JRE and his clones and lesser offspring.
  
  Probably by buying subscribers like Shapiro did. Pump the numbers up, get a boost for the algo, get more clicks.
- Podcasts are thinking for people who can't read.
  I'm making a rather cruel joke, but I do find some friends who struggle (lazy / busy, I'm not sure why) to read a news article I might share with them and, who will share with me some 20 sec Instagram clip with the words flashing up with Peterson or Rogan "slamming", "owning", "destroying" the libs. A quick Google usually dispels the quote or shows that the subject is not so simple.
  I should also add I do listen to podcasts and radio and there's nothing wrong with both.
  
  Broke: Joe Rogan pwning the libs
  Woke: TrueAnon pwning the libs
  
  I don't have time to read...I'd love to but I can't. Gotta mortgage slave and take care of/support a crotch goblin
  
  I'm these people. Probably read like 7 books in my life but dozens of audio books 🤣. I get distracted while reading a book. Can crush audio books when I'm cleaning or driving though.
- That shaved ape moron Dan Bongino is that high? Times is bleak

Bias fucking bullshit. Why is Joe Rogan named and not the podcast that usurped him? Media fucking blows
- They name it in the first sentence, and at least for me, given it's longevity and word of mouth I know what Joe Rogan implies, but if you said "MeidasTouch" in the headline, I'd have no idea the implication of that shift, since I haven't listened to either of the two.
  
  You can do both in a title.
- Wdym? It literally says the podcast name is "The MeidasTouch Podcast" in the first sentence.
  
  Headlines are important
  
  Per the other comment, headlines. Internet dwellers read the headline to decide whether or not to read something. You can think of a headline as involuntary information injection.
  So Newsweek wants everyone to see Joe Rogan's name but not MeidasTouch.

I was wondering why my dad texted me today to tell me George Soros was planning to fund anti Trump podcasts
- It is amazing how fast their propaganda machines work. They will anticipate breaking stories and provide bullshit lines of reasoning to discredit them before they are even widely shared.
  
  They've had decades to finely tune the propaganda machine — utilizing surveillance capitalism, big data, and analytics — A/B testing their PsyOps campaigns in real-time.
  The whole Cambridge Analytica debacle occurred almost a decade ago, and every criminal involved went on to bigger and better criminal enterprises. Major political parties across western "democracies" were directly involved in treasonous disinformation campaigns against their own citizens — a multinational corporate oligarchy were directly involved — that's why there were zero consequences...
  We've already been living in corporate dictatorships for a long time. We just didn't know it yet.
  
  I don't think it's that amazing when you consider there's multiple groups staffed by PhD professors with decades of expertise being paid to sit around all day and anticipate this stuff. Hell Trisha Paytas does this on her own .
  The thing that kids me is why we're all so terrible at finding counters to this stuff.
- crazy to me that he's thinking the guy who might be funding anti Trump podcasts is a threat and not the richest man in the world who has agents infiltrating and collecting data on every government agency. Like, is dudes tin foil hat on right?

Meh. Dumb voters will just flock to the next trigger topic.
- Listen. It's not just dumb voters. It's a conservative propaganda vessel that funds any right-leaning talking points. It's madness being poured into any willing ear, all it takes is a little fear to let them in. I want to believe that individual volition trumps this by-the-numbers propaganda, but the proof is in the pudding. Make people scared and isolated and you can make them believe whatever shit you want (at least, on a macro scale)
  
  Totally. I know plenty of people who would be considered smart by any standard, but when you're mainlining propaganda every hour, of every day, for multiple decades... it'll twist a person.
  
  Change conservative to liberal, right leaning to Democrat and you've just described MeidasTouch. They're nothing but mouthpieces for the DNC. The way that people like Rogan were mouthpieces for the RNC.
- You're not wrong but any cultural shift like this is enough to cling to optimism. If/when the fast food catches up to Trump and he croaks JD Vance will be the one trying to defend these trash policies. Him (or anybody else) are not going to be as effective bullshit artists....
  LOOK HOW DESPERATE I AM FOR GOOD NEWS. LET ME HAVE THIS!!!
  
  The Republicans aren't looking for leadership or ideas, they're looking for a strong man who beats his chest at "Soy boy rivals"
  Vance... aint that guy

Sad to say, but it's likely some of this bump they're getting is TYT listeners/viewers leaving after Cenk and Anna's latest spar with literally everyone near their orbit (and even losing some contributors). Many -oh so many- disaffected MSNBC viewers turned to non-traditional media after 2016, I cannot imagine how many might be leaving for more actually progressive sources after the recent election... but TYT has fumbled the bag here by both attacking other progressives AND doing shit like Charlie Kirk "debates" and interviews with Tucker Carlson.
I really hope they turn the ship around, because going after MAGA die hards isn't the answer. At any rate, Majority Report seems to be doing just fine so there's that.
- by both attacking other progressives AND doing shit like Charlie Kirk "debates" and interviews with Tucker Carlson.
  I'm sorry, they did what!? You must be kidding. I never felt the vibe was right with them: old, weird freaks asking for donations the whole show. But this is on another level...
  
  I wish I was kidding... here's Cenk being given a (mostly) kid gloves "debate" with Francesca. She's since left TYT over Cenk's embrace of MAGA and Anna's embrace of TERF talking points.
  https://www.youtube.com/live/2rGFOTHoZ2Q
- TYT telling the trans woman on staff that "Ana knows better than she does about how to help the trans community" was the final straw for me. You don't get to silence a minority group by saying you're doing it for their benefit.
  The subsequent doubling down of "actually we're the victims here!" was just confirmation.
  
  I don't know these people but even just reading that already made me so tired. I'm so ready for everybody to forget we exist again.
  2020-2030 is really making 2000-2010 seem like paradise out here, which is something I never thought I'd say, as a trans woman who barely survived 2000-2010. 🙃
  
  Effing preach!!!
- TYT went full grifter mode but way too obvious.
  
  Welcome to Polymarket Studios!
  /s
- Tyt???
  
  The young Turks. Center right
  
  Yep. It's been a whole thing on the YouTube political drama channels and in like Dem Leaning progressive spaces.

Any nothing of value was created or destroyed.

Hmm, one success speaks more to that one podcast's popularity than a political shift.

womp womp, isnt that what the right wingers say.. Only they originally said it about a story about seperating an "illegal imigrant" 10 year old girl with downs syndrome from her parents and keeping her in a cage, if I recall correctly. And then they refused to apologize for it.
- Not only that, but they very much acted like they were the ones who were owed an apology

Wish this podcast got attention before the election.

If only they would bother to vote.
- Let’s see if there’ll be another chance.
- That's where you come in my friend. It's going to take boots in the ground and hard work to get people to vote. I'm going to do my part, I hope you will to. 💙

I prefer the Crooked Media shows, especially Pod Save America. But I usually check out the most recent MeidasTouch when I'm all cought up with my podcasts.
- I've been listening to pod on an off for years. Quality is always there and they're upfront about their positions so I feel like I'm listening to actual discussion, not someone trying to convince me. I need to check out MeidasTouch I guess
  
  I used to listen to pod save America but got turned off in 2015. I've always felt they were too much of the pearl clutching DNC type. I like medias more than something like chapo trap house. I generally don't like things that talk about current events though. The ones I like are just preaching to the choir and don't really accomplish things for me.

Surprised hoe has anytime to podcast while he is dick riding musk and his billionaire pals
- Surprised hoe!

https://meidasnews.com/

What kind of cherry picked chart is this? Certainly this chart is not one that features YouTube or spotify. MeidasTouch is great and all but they aren't even in the same league as Rogan in terms of listeners.

I think this is the chart they are talking about, if anyone's curious.

Is that his wife smiling menacingly to the right of the thumbnail?

Good.

Suck it, Daniel Ek

Do we have a source other than newsweek?
- From Podscribe. Scroll down to "Top Podcasts by Downloads & Views per Month". It's a shame Newsweek didn't show their work.
- They listed the source in the first sentence.

So they replaced one form of garbage with another?
- I hate to have to inform you of this, but if you don't like leftists, and moderate leftists, you're in the wrong social media platform.
  We are sooner going to unite against class traitorism than we will tankies. Just an FYI we defederated from the tankies.
  
  If you are trying to imply Democrats are leftists you are fucking delusional. Liberals don't understand class unity and do everything they can to prevent it from happening.
  
  This comment here is why Lemmy will never get even a percent of reddit user numbers. Who gives a shit about that nonsense.
- Unsurprising .ml

- Spotify is not the only way to listen to podcasts
  
  Indeed. YouTube and Apple are far more dominant than Spotify.
  
  I would argue it’s one of few ways people listen to podcasts. And seeing as the article is talking about Joe Rogan, who is on Spotify exclusively, it kind of makes sense to look at Spotify statistics, no? Do you still feel so smart?
- NPR News Hour used to be my morning listen. Now it's so stacked with native ads and AEI talking heads that it's unlistenable.
  
  I keep subscribing, listening regularly then stopping and unsubscribing from various NPR podcasts and honestly I can only conclude that they bake in ads based on the listener and will do less ads for new listeners because I swear it's always a very small amount of ads initially every time
  Having started primarily listening to audio books and sneaking in some podcasts between books it's very night and day comparing the experience of listening to each, with shitloads of ads vs none (or just "this is a LibriVox recording. All LibriVox recordings are in the public domain. To learn more or to volunteer visit LibriVox.org") so it's much more hands off with audio books at least

Meidas is #35 on Spotify. Not sure how that’s “dethroning” Rogan. 😂
- Spotify is not the home of all podcasts, and it's actually a really shitty way to get your podcasts imo. Other people pointed me toward AntennaPod (which is free and open source) and it's just straight up better. There are several advantages, but the only one I needed to hear about was not needing to connect to a server to be able to listen to a podcast I had already downloaded to my phone. If I didn't listen to a podcast for a couple seconds from my home wifi before getting in the car, I'd just be driving for a few minutes in silence until Spotify could verify that I was a paying customer before they'd let me listen to free content already downloaded to my device. Ridiculous.
  Not shitting on you, btw. Just shitting on Spotify and hopefully introducing some people to a thing that's made my life better.
  
  Pocket Casts is my favorite, but AP is a great option that I used for quite a while.
  
  Antenna Pod is great! Lately I've been using Podcast Republic and I can't remember why I tried it specifically, but importantly it has very in-depth retention and download rules so I can exclude previews of the paid feed that are only 20 minutes long, sort podcasts by date or by title (handy if you pull in LibriVox books by RSS feed), create a podcast from a folder of files, and various other handy features.
- Apple and YouTube are way more dominant in the podcast market than Spotify is, though neither of them show Meidas above Rogan either, so I don't know where these numbers are coming from.
  
  Exactly! I’m showing these people that these are made up numbers, and I give one example, Spotify, and THATS what they’re hung up on. Not that the article is lying to them. Like..you can’t fake this level of stupidity.
- Spotify is where less than a quarter of people listen to podcasts
  Joe is only on Spotify
  Edit: okay apparently in the past week or two he became non exclusive. Funny timing.
  
  He’s seeing other podcast providers now?
- Because Spotify is just one source....
  
  Every site I’ve looked up has Meidas at 20+. Not sure what you’re getting at.