Another car maker banned from my life forever
Another car maker banned from my life forever
The car company says that the ads were the result of a software glitch
At this pace, I'll either never change my car or will never buy a car again.
My 17 year old car is at almost 200k miles and I just dumped over $2k into it to keep it going to a quarter million miles to try and hold off having to buy something new.
Cheaper than a car payment.... By a lot. I budget about 1500 a year and just act like thats my car payment.
I had to give up my '08 manual transmission rear wheel drive technodumb car last month due to it finally going downhill (in its operation and in the easiest direction to push it). Will miss the fun, and the privacy.
My condolences.
I buy used cars. I had an X-Trial I bought 8 years ago for £2000. It lasted 7 years. I did basic maintenance myself like brakes, oil, etc. on the end the flywheel needed replacing. To the scrap it went. Bit 2k for 7 years!
At this pace, I'll either never change my car or will never buy a car again.
!micromobility@lemmy.world is an option.
But yeah, with all the telemetry they've tacked onto vehicles, feels like you need a digital and electrical forensics team to disable it all
Jeep/Chrysler have always been banned from my life.
Garbage. Worse than any other American car company. They even managed to screw up cars made for them by Mitsubishi.
Can confirm. Had to buy a Pacifica because I needed a wheelchair accessible minivan and only Pacifica offered the features I wanted. Absolute piece of shit of a car. I don't think I ever regretted any purchase as much. I would 100% compromise on the features I wanted had I known how much this car sucks. I'm talking about a brand new 2024, very well equipped car. Do not buy a Chrysler. I can shit on this car for days AMA.
I got the Pacifica plug in hybrid because it was the only minivan with any electric option. I have never regretted it so much. Every time I turn on the car it wants to connect to my Wi-Fi and update. I don't want updates I don't want my car to change and I don't trust that they're gonna do something shifty if I connect it to the internet. After having it for a year the transmission went out so I try to bring it in but it takes 6 weeks before they can see me. Finally they can see me and they take 2 weeks to look at it and diagnose. Then 4 more weeks to fix it. Meanwhile they keep telling me it should be done next week every time I call. Absolutely worst experience ever.
I had a 1996 grand cheerokee... great vehicle except for everything chrysler hands touched. (It was a near finished design from AMC).
If you can move somewhere with public transit, it has changed my life
Public transit might be great, but it is certainly not ad-free.
At least you didn't spend $40k for the privilege
Yeah, but I don't own the bus
Mobile phones and earbuds solve that problem for the most part.
At least those ads don't track you and you can ignore them.
Read a book and it might as well be.
Yeah that's my reaction. Also public transportation changed my life for the year and a half I used it, by eating up zn extra hour a day of my life. My 15-minute each way car commute became 50 each way, very consistently. I finally got fed up with it and went back to driving.
Unfortunately, public transportation in my country is garbage, and I'm being considerate with that word.
At this pace, I'll either never change my car or will never buy a car again.
Based. Train, busses and bikes are superior.
Adds a whole new angle for arguing in favor of the /fuckcars movement.
Jeep owners are the perfect target for this. Not exactly the kind of people doing a lot of research before purchasing a vehicle. Or else they wouldn’t buy a jeep.
Guilty as charged, I owned a total of 5 jeep/Chrysler/Dodge vehicles way back when. Moved to Infiniti, then Tesla (fucking got rid of it within a year) and now I have a Chinese BYD with every telematic disabled.
Haha. Yeah man, you’re not hyper focused on total cost of ownership. They know their audience!
I love how that saying this is a software glitch is somehow supposed to make it okay? Motherfuckers, you took time and money to develop the thing. In doesn't matter that it wasn't supposed to be deployed right now. It matters that it was developed at all.
This is my tinfoil opinion, but I wouldn't be surprised that it was done on purpose to gauge the public reaction and setting the pace of rollout.
The timing is too perfect knowing damn well that Republicans won't legislate that.
I design UI for systems infinately less likely to kill you when distracted than a vehicle interface.
The only possible glitch is that this is appearing before it was supposed to.
Being triggered specifically when the vehicle is stopped shows a lot of thought on the cover your ass for saftey lawsuits front, that was no mistake.
Why do I keep seeing companies blame shit like this on “a software glitch”? Like, fuckin, no it’s not. And no one believes your bullshit either.
I can't stand when they lie to us and it's not even plausible. I saw an ad for some technical school or something and it proudly proclaimed "Our only goal is for you to succeed". Like, no it fucking isn't! You're a for-profit business; your goal is to maximize shareholder profits while (hopefully) providing a service. It falls apart when you think about it for even a moment...
It’s a glitch that it rolled out today instead of next week.
That or the dumb fucks in charge of these companies still think it’s the 90’s where everyone thought that machines would suddenly gain sentience.
I haven't followed Kotaku for years. Did they give up on covering video games? Car manufacturing isn't even adjacent.
American cars are so bad. We did ~3000k of driving last year in the US and noticed that most of the cars on the road were new. Didn't take long to realise why - between terrible driving standards causing them to crash regularly, terrible build quality causing the interior to fall apart, and needing to drive EVERYWHERE so you flog the thing out in about 12 months vehicles are practically disposable.
There were late model cars still rocking the flashing brake light as an indicator wtf lol
They are selling right hand drive converted Yank Tanks in Australia. They are double the price after shipping, rhd conversion and making them compliant. They don't fit on our roads at all and are very restricted with payload and towing because of car licence weight restrictions. To tow more you need a truck license (light rigid).
They also have no spare parts here in Aus. Plenty of "overlanders" spending $25k to get it towed out of the outback, back to a major city and get parts flown in from Detroit. They are too heavy and wear out components on the dirt. They are built for highway only
If you want a "truck" in Aus, you buy an Isuzu or Mitsubishi cab-over truck which is like US$35,000 with a tray or box.
the cybertruck does that. it's still allowed.
No wonder they don't sell it anywhere else - wouldn't meet local safety requirements.
I liked a recent BYD Shark teardown video by some American mob... Their biggest complaint was that it was "overbuilt" lol
Fire up them tariffs lads, protectionism is the only thing ensuring sales.
They’re also cheap so many people buy more frequently and the older ones get exported overseas to less wealthy nations which is why you don’t see them here.
As for the blinking brake light, that is almost never done at the factory, it’s a symptom of our stupid dealership model where dealers will add useless aftermarket crap to differentiate themselves from other dealers of the same car. None of that would be needed if it was legal to buy directly from the manufacturer.
Are there still some e cars without bloatware and privacy issues??
Here's an article from last year. It's Australian, but I think it likely that car brands have the same or similar privacy policies wherever you go.
In short: Tesla and Korean brands are the worst. Japanese brands apart from Mazda are the best for privacy.
There’s also the Mozilla.org Privacy Not Included report
https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/categories/cars/
They have Renault as the least creepy and Nissan as the most!
Not really, they've all had telemetry for probably 20 years.
The cars with satellite radio are even worse (which isn't saying much, since they put modems in cars about 20 years ago)
No, satellite radio is not bi-directional.
But i think its exploded how intrusive the car factory's are. Just because its a "new" tech, and the politics struggle to control it, or maybe don't wanna, because they also need the data. I want to buy a new car, e vehicle, but I haven't done it yet because of the privacy concerns. It feels like nobody, in my country, cares about it.
Start advocating for more walkable/bikable areas in your city, with more train and bus options, too.
I agree with the principle of it, but it's also a slow and tedious process, one that the complainer won't benefit from for years, if ever.
Not that you shouldn't do it, but it's not a solution to what happened here.
always a "software glitch"
That's the easy "justification" used 99% of the time. Every single company. Fuck them all.
The heck is "instant opt-out"? As opposed to what? Not being able to close the ad unless you buy the product?
I'm sticking with my Penny Farthing.
Hold onto it, farthings are already gone, so once they get rid of pennies you'll have to "upgrade" to a Dime Nickel :P
It's a Jeep so you're really gonna need that warranty too, lmao
Had a chat with a fella on that other site a while ago who said he wanted to buy another Grand Cherokee after being from a Jeep family and previously owning Jeeps... And ended up getting a lightly used BMW X5 for less money, more power and a better interior. It's probably going to last him longer too. And that was one of them fancy uber complex V8 X5's that Americans prefer. If you get one with the inline 6 (particularly the diesel 6 that isn't available in the US lol), the engine is also rock solid.
JEEP: Just Empty Every Pocket
I had literally just recommended that my brother in law check out jeeps for his next vehicle. I have just corrected that recommendation! No jeeps.
Time to replace that stereo head, but it sucks that you’d be forced to due to POP UP ADS!
a glitch where we had our ad team write the marketing material and setup a call center that would process these policies on the backend and training the backend call center staff to process these policies and built out backend systems to store and process said policies and a mechanism to push ads to the car. Besides all the a total glitch
This zero-tolerance permanent unforgivability mentality is super common now. Why would you not consider buying a Jeep in say 20 years, when every person responsible for making or implementing some heinous decision that outrages you right now probably won't even work there anymore?
If they change course in the next 5 years, so be it. But right now, Jeep took some dev time to develop this, meaning they plan to use it at some point.
They deserve to lose the trust of the consumer because they gave us a peek behind the curtain and it fucking sucks.
Stop being pro-corpo, they are not your friend and they will piss on your corpse if that means they get a dollar more.