Ottawa Senators fans were quick to voice their displeasure with the United States on Saturday after U.S. president Donald Trump announced his plan to impose tariffs on Canadian goods.
We realize that most Americans didn't vote for Trump (only 49.8%) and that most of those who did probably didn't understand what tariffs are and how they work and we realize that Trump's action and our response are going to hurt poor Americans, and poor Americans in red states more than others, but we're not going to take illegal tariffs sitting down.
That 49.8% is misleading - it implies that 49.8% of the country support him, but it counts only the votes that were actually cast. He only got votes from about 30% of eligible voters.
Of course we can't know who all those non-voters wanted to win, but I'd rather not imply that nearly half of all americans voted for him.
Of course we can't know who all those non-voters wanted to win, but I'd rather not imply that nearly half of all americans voted for him.
Who gives a shit? Those non-voters made an active choice to not matter. Makes sense to respect that choice and ignore their existence.
People always bring this up as if it's some indication that things arent quite as bad as they seem. Why? Americans chose this in every way that matters.
Keep in mind that quite a lot of those people are lower class citizens who can’t afford to take a day off work to vote. If you’re living paycheck to paycheck, not getting one day of pay can be crippling.
Sure, it’s easy to say they should bear the cost to save the nation, but none of us are feeding their kids or paying their bills. And it isn’t us who go homeless because they voted.
Those non-voters matter a lot because Trump is acting like he has some kind of enormous overwhelming mandate, and there is no evidence to back that up.
They're just trying to cope with the situation by playing games with statistics. You're absolutely right though, non-voters don't matter and there's no point in talking about them as much as we do.
Those who could vote but chose not to are at the same level, they actively chose to not participate, which means they at best aggree with whatever is happening. At least trump cult is way out there mentally, and there is no more humanity in those creatures, so they couldn't do otherwise. Non-participators had something in them to prevent the worst, but they chose not to. That's agency, that's responsibility.
And only 22% of the total US population, including children etc., but still the people of the nation. Very few people voted (or abstained) to make this terrible thing happen.
I don't think non-Canadians know how angry we have to be to boo a national anthem. We'd cheer for the North Korean anthem if they sent a hockey team for us to play against.
I won't give a pass to americans just because they didn't vote for him. There's a lot of americans who just didn't vote, period. Anyone who didn't actively cast a ballot in opposition to that fuck stain of a president is just a guilty of him being there as the ones who did vote for him. Considering only 152,320,193 people voted in the 2024 US election from a population or 340,110,988, where 268,687,680 of them are over 18, that leaves roughly some 100 million people who could have voted against this but chose not to. More people just didn't vote than voted for either the Democrats or republicans. As far as I'm concerned, those people really didn't care if a fascist government was elected and really don't care about anyone but themselves. So I won't accept apologies from americans trying to wash their hand of this. Their government has threatened Canada's sovereignty, has thrown the first attack, and I blame every single american person that voted for trump, or couldn't be bothered to go out and vote against him, whatever their reason may be.
As the great Canadian band Rush once sang: "If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice."
They don't get to wash their hands of the fascist government just because they chose to ignore the problem rather than cast a vote. They decided the prospect of fascism was just as bad as having a black woman as president.
IMHO Embarrassing doesn't even begin to describe the situation.
the ignorance is by design. our entire society has been programmed for consumption not critical thought - and this has been done from all sides at the behest of the corporate oligarchy.
as angry and disappointed and depressed as I am with the outcome, its a deep structural failure and I have a hard time placing the blame on those that simply decided to check out and not participate in their own civic education. every pressure on the american plebian has been to keep your head down, ignore the growing deficiencies and consume.
I tend to see most of Trumps fans as victims more then perpetrators. Nonetheless, its still hard to forgive even if it's mostly an elite few creating the behavior through manipulation.
We didn’t even really like Americans BEFORE the tariffs. I wonder, do Americans realize how every other country sees them? Not just the government, but how we see the citizens?
Some of us do and were ashamed at how hateful and destructive our fellow Americans can be. And it sucks that they continuously refuse to listen to reason despite the facts laid before them. Most of the supporters I know of have their head firmly in the sand with no idea what's coming.
I suggest installing something like libredirect (https://libredirect.github.io/) to automatically sub in xitter links for a Nitter instance of your choosing. Manually, replace twitter with xcancel and VIOLA, bob's yer uncle:
Soy bean farmers got direct subsidies to offset the damage that Trump did last time. They didn't learn shit, they voted for him again, and would again given a choice.
No worries, eh! May you come out on the other side of this insanity better than going into it. Until then, can you help a bro out and change the laws to let descendants of Canadians claim citizenship?
America hasn't really stood for Freedom (in the pure sense and deserving of a capital F) from when it's "Democracy" 'for male landowners only' was formed, followed by a couple of centuries of taking all the land of the territory it claimed away from the Commons (and the various Indian Tribes who were its main users) and making all of it have owners (i.e. with its use by others controlled by said owners rather than Free).
In its territory, America has had somewhat better periods in that regard, but even the end of Slavery didn't really end it, just restricted it to be only for prisioners, whilst outside its territory America always acted to make other people's lives and possessions serve the best interests of a powerful subsection of the American society rather than be free (hence how most of those interventions involved replacing one dictator by a different pro-America dictator, or setting up semi-Democratic regimes whose hands were tied by a web of obligations to America and some of it's allies, such as how the US and UK basically gave themselves oil exploitation contracts for most of Iraq's oil wealth and "security" contracts at the end of the 2nd Iraq War and then set up a "Democratic" government there).
However unlike with regimes were the web of laws and property that curtails most people's freedom is much thinner and more direct, and hence more obvious, American Propaganda on "Freedom" has always been top-notch.
As an American that didn't vote for this clusterfuck, I totally support this. Apparently we need our allies, who we are trying to alienate, to stand up for us.
I look forward to apologizing that my fellow citizens, who likely don't even have a passport, voted for this troll every time I travel overseas now. "Travel Cringe"
As a Russian escaped Russia, in my experience people all over the world are incredibly good at differentiating between a shit country and it's unfortunate citizens who got unlucky to be born there. I had to have my fair share of embarrassment about what those fucks back in Russia are doing, but people are usually understanding enough
Yes. The video is an example of how hockey fans generally react to the national anthem of their rivals. Booing the national anthem is not done. It shows the extreme contrast between the respect that fans normally give and the atypical reaction of the fans following the ridiculous and self-destructive Trump tariffs.
We can't. We're way too small. There are only marginally more Canadians than there are Californians spread out over a country 1.6% larger than the entire US.
We're gunna try to land some lawsuits against the administration and accept refugees from the States like we did last time but it's unfortunately asking a mouse to take on a cat.
MAGA is all about hurting people. MAGA voters voted to turn the country over to the billionaires because they said that they were going to hurt brown people, women, LGBTQ, etc. They would allow the country to be bankrupted as long as people get hurt in the process.