Republicans vs Democrats

Abortion rights were repealed under Democrats, trans rights are being repealed under Democrats, police budgets have increased in response to BLM, and non-stop war is completely bipartisan.

Both sides ARE bad, just because one of them sometimes offers tepid opposition doesn't make them good. Democrats are not on your side either.

Oh shut the fuck up man if you're not seeing one hand wash the other on the ruling class shutting that down, you never will. The democrats never intended to pass student loan debt relief, or they wouldn't have softballed something they KNEW the Supreme Court would shut down.

"The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them." -- Julius Nyerere

Both sides are bad though. They are both neoliberals pieces of shit that care infinitely more about their corporate donors than they do about the people. Heck, they only throw scrums to people to pretend that they care.

Neither side tried to get rid of student loan debt. One side just pretended to try.

I typically don't downvote but here you are just factually wrong. "to get rid of student loan debt" would mean to abolish and pass legislation that actually ended all student loan debt in present and future. A feeble attempt at a 'one-time only' debt relief with no further policies or plans to eliminate all future educational costs is just a puppet show. I personally would've benefited from the debt relief, but would've preferred them addressing the rising costs and accessibility of higher education (the root of the problem).

Instead we got a repeal of AA and a move that would've benefited loan companies with a side effect that could possibly make getting future loans for under-privileged individuals that much harder (or more dangerous if loan companies decided to give out increasingly worse contracts if they believe the government will step in and pay the horrendous bills). There are better metrics to compare the parties with, "equal rights" is not one of them as they won't ever exist while class disparity is so rampant.

Equal rights isn't a new developing issue, here's a quote from over 60 years ago,

The assistant director of the Office of Economic Opportunity, Hyman Bookbinder, in a frank statement on December 29, 1966, declared that the long-range costs of adequately implementing programs to fight poverty, ignorance and slums will reach one trillion dollars. He was not awed or dismayed by this prospect but instead pointed out that the growth of the gross national product during the same period makes this expenditure comfortably possible. It is, he said, as simple as this: “The poor can stop being poor if the rich are willing to become even richer at a slower rate.” Furthermore, he predicted that unless a “substantial sacrifice is made by the American people,” the nation can expect further deterioration of the cities, increased antagonisms between races and continued disorders in the streets. He asserted that people are not informed enough to give adequate support to anti-poverty programs, and he leveled a share of the blame at the government because it “must do more to get people to understand the size of the problem.” (source, bold by me)

Equal rights "advocates" love to posture and hand-wave historical figures like Dr. King, who rightly pointed out the next step to real equality in his book titled, "Where Do We Go from Here: Chaos or Community?".

One of the central themes of the book's messages is that of hope. King reflects upon the Civil Rights Movement. He discusses the question of what African-Americans should do with their new freedoms found in laws such as the Voting Rights Act of 1965. He concludes that all Americans must unite in order to fight poverty and create an equality of opportunity. King emphasizes that he is neither a Marxist nor a doctrinaire socialist; he instead advocates for a united social movement that would act within both the Republican and Democratic parties. (synopsis from wiki)

It goes "on and on" like this because it's all a show, the steps and problems have been laid bare for decades in the U.S. with no meaningful impact for the causes and class disparity is only getting worse. If the democrats in charge actually passed legislation that addressed inequality, then they wouldn't have anything to dangle in front of the donkey.

edit: If you're gonna give a downvote (probably who I was replying to), don't be a coward and at least bring some conversation to the table with your viewpoints. I'm just gonna have to assume your feelings were hurt and that's the only recourse you have if not.

It's not "both sides bad", it's "they're all on the same side". The majority of Amerikans and non-Amerikans realize this. You are shilling for the bourgeoisie against the proletariat.

US politics is one big WWE show and you've taken the bait that the democrats actually "tried". When you realize just how much isn't being done that could be done, and then look at all the same big donor lobbyist money they take in every year, it starts to make sense why the democrats are always "sooo close" to radical change. It's deliberate and I'm tired of people thinking it isn't

This both sides is bad argument is scary because it can cause people to become indifferent. It's scary for minorities. One side is actively trying to get rid of minorities or marginalize them.

Yeah I get that in the context of the working class they are both bad but that's not the only way people are categorized. People's lives are literally being ruined due to the abortion ban and the regression in trans rights and it's clear one side is pushing for it way more than the other.

Nice copium lib.

One side tried to get rid of student loan debt and the other side said no.

$10,000 or $50,000 is hardly getting rid of student loan debt and there are way more pressing issues like the fact medical debt is still the #1 cause of bankruptcy in the US and mainstream dems are still balking at universal health care.

Maybe do a bit more research next time before you comment.

Yeah, one is trying to disarm poor people, the other isn't. One is murdering babies, the other isn't.

Don't argue with the tankies. They literally have no moral compass.

No, leftists are not trying to appeal to homophobic white people with this

Is that how people interpret this? Wew

no u

the Dems being for the working class is an old folk tale that just won't die

Important point. From the point of view of 95,5% of humanity USA present nearly uniform face regardless of who is in power. And this goes not only for the victims of US but for their vassals too. Barely anyone outside US gives a shit about the US political theatre, even the analysis of the comprador euro think tanks smells with indifference under the flimsy mask of engagement.

• Post mentions U.S. political parties
• Post mentions BLM, started in the U.S. in response to the U.S. police murdering a U.S. citizen
• Post has a rose emoji, frequently used by leftists in the U.S.

"Man, why would anyone think we're talking about the U.S.?"

How were they even admitted to Lemmygrad, I wonder?

Which is which?

Meh, only one wants to take away my rights and the other one wants to give me free healthcare and cancel student debt. Not saying that the one that wants to protect my rights doesn't have problems, but the 2 parties sure as shit are not the same.

state and revolution is actually quite short, but still you're asking too much of them

That's the Designated Villain playbook. As long as there's just one or two a year, in a field where typically everyone is vetted, double-vetted, and receipt-checked, the pork train trundles on unobstructed.

It's not that Dems don't try hard enough. They're one faction in the organising committee of the ruling class. They're not trying to work for the working class at all.

Just look at the defense budget every year that easily dwarfs that of other countries (and continues to grow!) It passes with no contest from either party.

You cannot fix the Democrat party from the inside. Shit, you cannot fix the USA from the inside. It's not broken, it's working perfectly as designed. You can't vote your way out of this shit. Not if you had 500 years to do it instead of 20.

We had several great progressives running in last years primary and general up near Seattle. All were crushed by incumbents.

Guess folks just like the way things are.

Honestly, once you hit 25 or whatever pick a party and run. Green or libertarian would be easiest. Whatever fits where you live. It gives you a different perspective on elections.

Most Democrat politicians are neo-liberals, meaning they are conservatives by all global standards.

This is the most brain damaged talking point, the Democrats are more left than the vast majority of the globe and Republicans are somewhere in the center. Unless your globe only consists of Canada, Scandinavia, and New Zealand then the Democrats aren't conservative

I don't even know what a lot of the stuff means anymore tbh. I just consider myself economically classically liberal and true centrist on social issues

The people focusing hard on the social far left and far right are distracting people from the fact that the government is not helping out the common person economically.

Frankly I think inflation is kind of here to stay for a while as the US painfully weans itself out of China and a world with a bunch of cheap former Soviet raw material inputs, nevermind a global wheat shortage due to the situation in Ukraine.

The fed really does have to slowly jack up rates to create a bigger buffer for the next hard recession. What this means, I my very limited understanding, is that everything just costs more until supply is consolidated back home and nearby places like Canada, Mexico, and some Central American countries

It just shows how much the system is rigged. Less likeable and less popular Hillary sabotaged his campaign allowing trump to win. Even if Bernie did win and started making positive change I wouldn’t be surprised if he got whacked like JFK.

Little Debbie really screwed the party with her hard on towards Clinton.

Democrats want universal healh care, child care, to cancel student loan debt, don't want to eliminate the LGBTQ community among other things, and are constantly stymied by the right wing. Then dumbfucks go 'hurr duur, both parties are the same, don't vote' and the same shit happens. The last time Dems ran the show we got the ACA and people who never had a shot at insurance got it, medical bankruptcies went down etc. It was a big win, and you forget that. Fuck your all sides are the same.

Not everything here is political, but you know you’re on Lemmygrad.ml right?

Democrats and Republicans came together in a super rare and bipartisan endeavour to shut down the rights of hard working railroad workers trying to strike for sick days and time off in December 2022. The final senate vote was 85 vs 15.

That should be a pretty clear indication that at least when it comes to helping working class people where it counts (money and basic human rights), both parties are identical.

Yes you're right. They're both bad for slightly different reasons.

Isaiah is a comrade that calls out neoliberal bipartisan bullshit

Except your instance doesn't so I don't really know what you're complaining about. Go make an account on one of those instances instead of polluting our database.

It's at least as useful as commenting to say that it's whining. Liberal complaints are for liberals. Marxists are interested in radical critique. With that radical critique—leading to the conclusion that electoralism is worse than a dead end—shows the way to something that might work.

But how much of that is a Democrats vs Republicans thing? I think it's more accurate to describe it as a ruling class granting occasional concessions thing. For example, under Trump federal workers got paid parental leave but I wouldn't say that makes him or his party good.

Also, Democrats had plenty of opportunities to codify abortion rights, but didn't and still don't. Roe v. Wade got overturned during their rule!! So how compliant does a party need to be before they're complicit?

That any Americans think highly of Dems speaks more about the sorry state of politics in this country than it does the virtues of Democrats. And I don't mean to go off on you right now, I agree that lots of people think they're great. I also think those people are dead wrong but y'know.

Oh my sweet summer child, liberals only care about their bank accounts. They just pretend to care knowing that shit won’t happen because Republicans won’t let them. It is all theatre to keep you from seeing that they are all the same.

What are the 'liberals' in your fanfic? They promised something to the working class, so I'll assume they are another bourgeois political party and got no votes.

Sounds like the democrats are losers if they can't work around the Republicans tbh. This doesn't really make them look like the underdog, it makes them look like losers who cave at the first sign of pushback, which is what they are. Do you really think Biden, with his millions, cares about the Walmart worker making 5$ an hour? He doesn't even go to Walmart, it's too poor for him.