Muslims who voted for Trump upset by his pro-Israel cabinet picks

It will not involve lube.

It will not be pretty.

It will not be quick.

Weird kink you got, mate

What comes first, the ignorance or the religion.

Whether Israel gets the weapons from America, Russia, South Africa, Britain, Korea, China or wherever. They are going to find a way to arm themselves and defend themselves. Decades of warfare against other countries pushes the Israelis to commit some pretty disgusting acts. Trying to blame an American political party on either side is not an intelligent response.

Do you know anyone in your personal life that fell victim to a scam? Used car? Telemarketer?

How many times would it take that victim being scammed by the same person before you called them dumb?

I read some of the comments from AOC's constituents. Many of them were not smart people either.

If you want to learn what it takes to sway dumb people, you can run a very unethical campaign like Trump's and get the Presidency.

She asked her constituents that voted for both her and Trump why they voted for Trump so that she could understand them.

This is like asking someone to explain why they believe the world is flat or that we didn't land on the moon.

You just look down on other people instead of trying to understand why they did what they did.

Strong anti-generalization assertion.

Except

You are the reason I dislike liberals.

Ah shit, you opened with a cheesy generalization. Validating to see the"every accusation is a confession" thing holds.

But let's get into it.

• one was bad but could be swayed
• one was worse on all counts for all criteria, was only getting worse, can't be fixed and would tear down all the checks and balances that make government work

They picked the second option, overwhelmingly, despite the massive damage to the very fabric of the nation and the insanely worse prospects for them as a recognizable minority.

Logic it out.

Found another not smart person, guys

Next time she won't have to ask either

Rubles.

They did it for the rubles

I thought I was alone

That's not happy laughter. That's "look at the thing you've done to all of us" laughter.

Is the leopards feasting on their faces not funny enough for you?

They thought they were above the consequences of their actions, but they're in the shit pot with the rest of US.

ITS FUCKING HILARIOUS!

I love how you're getting downvoted for posting a graph with factual data on it. I guess this is the "less harm" that democrats keep pleasuring themselves over. Republicans are worse than democrats in general, but on this issue they really are the same. Ah, but we shouldn't let facts get in the way of people having fun mocking minorities having their relatives massacred in a genocide. Your factual data is really dragging the mood down in this party.

But also according to your graph none of this is anything new.

You're blaming humanity for being the way that it simply is. The lesson is that people don't have the time or attention to fact check, and frankly I think we should have known that. We got complacent. So, now those of us who get it have to step in and make better competing systems.

If facts are going to win, it seems they need to win stealthily, really like they always have. Science and engineering took over the world with probably less than 1% of people really having any idea how anything actually works. Objective morality in terms of universal human rights and behavioral science can be integrated into a better regulated social media, for example. It just has to be more appealing somehow and easier to access. It also has to be sexy and come with some status, and other benefits.

I have no idea what that looks like, but thst is the mission progressives now must contend with. We have to win back people's attention and convince them ours is the better way for them.

Lol, no he didn't, he literally said his policy was to give Nethanyu a blank check and in the first term he kept trying to use nukes and was told not to by his staff.

Troll harder

PS: Kamela never shunned Palestinians either, Bill Clinton on the other hand...

Stupid people wanted to claim that Harris was “the same as” Trump.

What we have here are voters who thought Trump would be better than Harris, not the same. I can understand, even if it's technically wrong, when people feel that genocide is genocide. And they see what is happening there as an extension to them (which any psychotherapist who's dealt with someone of an ethnic group which is in war can attest to).

Most of these people are in their own echo chambers

Although this is most probably a factor, I believe this to be too simple an explanation. So about the media landscape: Yes. Especially the so-called 'new media' is seldomly truly independent but often biased in that they peddle this false narrative that Trump is a peace candidate. Also notable is that 'alternative media' is largely seen as independent from billionaires and power, while legacy media is an arm of the establishment. So the narrative of 'us vs. them' works even better and since the biggest names lean more right or are outright Republican propaganda channels, this could translate into more people who already resent the status quo falling for them. And thanks to the engagement-optimizing algorithms they fall into these echo-chambers. Sidenote: I'm not de-legitimizing alternative outlets, but want to stress the importance of scrutinizing how they finance themselves. We just had a case of one right-wing propaganda channel being exposed as being financed by a Russian oligarch for years. (I forgot the name)

One could also point to the rhetoric and behavior of the two candidates towards the pro-Palestinian population in the last few weeks and months before the election. One side didn't let Palestinian voices be heard and even actively and preemptively removed an elected Democrat from one of their own events, because he happened to be Palestinian American. Outside the DNC the protestors were met with disdain and ridicule by DNC delegates. And the other side came to speak lie to them about what he's gonna do and that he takes them seriously. People are gonna see this.

Or generally when Harris said that she wanted the 'most lethal military in the world', while the other side talked about ending wars 'within the first 24 hours'. Outrageous but a stark contrast.

Or the simple sentiment that with the Dems in power genocide is happening, so I'll roll the dice. The same anti-establishment sentiment that led to Trump in 2016 in the first place (economic in nature in 2016).

Talking about anti-establishment sentiment: I know of only one exception to this. But after COVID, there's only one incumbent party in the democratic world, that came out of elections still in power. And that's Mexico. If you know any others, please feel free to enlighten me.

The list is not extensive by any means and is just me spit-balling. If we want to understand what happened the answers are going to be much more complex.

In the few days leading up to the election I got two texts, definitely crafted to seem like they were from a Harris aligned pac, but it was saying she was unreservedly behind Israel, and seemed off. I told them to fuck the selves and reported as spam

Which just goes to show the lack of critical thinking skills in a shockingly large swath of the population.

It's not one-sided because Trump is what one-sided looks like. Democrats still support trying for a Palestinian state, while Trump wants Israel to not stop at Gaza but take what remains of the West Bank too. You don't get to define the sides the way you want, we're still dealing with the American public here - and the American public is very anti-muslim and militaristic (I mean we do have to live in a world where 9/11 happened - which, by the way, was one of the more egregious examples of the counter-productive effect of attempts to make Americans care about Palestine).

I'm the last to justify continuing aid to Israel, but if you don't understand the political difficulty of removing that aid you're just not paying attention. This will be seen as a win for Iran, Hamas, and Hezbollah and the backlash will be massive with lots of accusations that Democrats are embracing anti-semetism. And Democrats know from past causes like BLM that the same people advocating very forcefully for changing policy will morph into crickets when it comes time to defend those changes from backlash, having moved on to more exciting causes. So yeah, I disagree with aid to Israel but I can't really blame them.

You forget why trump is even a thing in national politics...

In 2015 when the primaries happened Hillary's campaign controlled the DNC and pushed for trump because he was the worst possible opponent and they thought it would scare people into voting for Hillary despite her being wildly unpopular.

They're 1 out of 3, but the DNC leadership loves trump because he lets them run even less popular moderates and take bribes from even worse industries/billionaires while still having a 33% chance of winning.

To them, it's a smart bet.

Which is why we shouldn't let them anywhere near the DNC.

They could have easily beat trump, but the want the awful "compromises" they say they have to do to win elections. It's why they keep saying it despite it never helping

This wasn't a no-brainer. There were far more Jewish people who'd tank the election toward Trump and give us this same shit show. The only viable hope was intense pressure afterward. Trump was always far more likely to backstab than Kamala, at least with her there was a chance of stronger pressure than Biden, vs. zero pressure from Trump.