Clever, clever

Right, but the whitespace between instructions wasn't whitespace at all but white text on white background instructions to poison the copy-paste.

Also the people who are using chatGPT to write the whole paper are probably not double-checking the pasted prompt. Some will, sure, but this isnt supposed to find all of them its supposed to catch some with a basically-0% false positive rate.

yes but copy paste includes the hidden part if it’s placed in a strategic location

The students smart enough to do that, are also probably doing their own work or are learning enough to cross check chatgpt at least..

There's a fair number that just copy paste without even proof reading...

There are certainly people with that name.

Pigeons with flash drives ftw

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/yes-a-pigeon-is-still-faster-than-gigabit-fiber-internet

Ages ago, there was a time where my dad would mail back up tapes for offsite storage because their databases were large enough that it was faster to put it through snail mail.

It should also be noted his databases were huge, (they’d be bundled into 70 pound packages and shipped certified.)

I'm laughing my ass off at this

Edit:

https://chatgpt.com/share/671da57b-5fe4-8005-bdba-68b69f398c72

Still fucking amazing

Awesome bandwidth to be sure, but I do think there is a difference between data transfer to RAM (such as network traffic) vs. traffic purely from one location to another (station wagon with tapes/747 with SD cards/etc.).

For the latter, actually using the data in any meaningful way is probably limited to read time of the media, which is likely slow.

But yeah, my go-to would be micro SD cards on a plane :)

or a train full of dudes jorking it like that one NSFW copypasta

I've been down that rabbit hole too, but if I see that fucking dog again, I'm going to rage

6.065 petabytes a second or 6065 Tb/s

At this point I'm convinced these detectors are looking for the usage of big words and high word counts, instead of actually looking for things like incorrect syntax, non-sequitur statements, suspiciously rapid topic changes, forgetting earlier parts of the paper to only reference things that happen in the previous sentence....

Too many of these "See, I knew you were cheating! This proves it!" Professors are pointing to "flowery language", when that's kind of the number one way to reach a word count requirement.

When it shouldn't be that hard, I used to use ChatGPT to help edit stories I write (Fiction writer as a hobby), but then when I realized it kept pointing me to grammar mistakes that just didn't exist, ones that it failed to elaborate on when pressed for details.

I then asked what exactly my story was about.

I was then given a massive essay that reeked of "I didn't actually read this, but I'm going to string together random out of context terminology from your book like I'm a News Reporter from the 90's pretending to know what this new anime fad is." Some real "Cowboy Bepop at his computer" shit

The main point of conflict of the story wasn't even mentioned. Just some nonsense about the cast "Learning about and exploring the Spirit World!" (The story was not about the afterlife at all, it was about a tribe that generations ago was cursed to only birth male children and how they worked with missionaries voluntarily due to requiring women from outside the tribe to "offer their services" in order to avoid extinction... It was a consensual thing for the record... This wasn't mentioned in ChatGPT's write up at all)

That's when the illusion broke and I realized I wasn't having MegaMan.EXE jack into my system to fight the baddies and save my story! I merely had an idiot who didn't speak english as a writing partner, and I've never

I wish I hadn't let that put me off writing more...

I was building to a bigger conflict where the tribe breaks the curse and gets their women back, they believe wives will just manifest from the ether... Instead the Fertility Goddess that cursed them was just going to reveal that their women were being born into male bodies, and just turn all who would have been born female to be given male bodies instead. So when the curse was broken half the tribe turned female creating a different kind of shock.

There was this set up that the main character was a warrior for the tribe who had a chauvinistic overly macho jackass for a rival... and the payoff was going to be that the lead character was going to be one of those "Women cursed with masculinity", so when the curse is broken he becomes a woman and gets both courted by and bullied by the rival over it, who eventually learns that your close frenemy suddenly having a vagina is not a license to bang her, no matter what "TG Transformation Story Cliches" say about the matter...

Lot of

"Dahl'mrk, I swear if you replace my hut's hunting idol with one of those fertility statuettes while I'm sleeping one more time, I'm going to shove both up your bumhole."

Energy...

God I should really get back to it, I had only finished chapter one.... and the mass gender-unbending doesn't happen till chapter 3.

The professor's dog:

I'll do you one better, why is Frankie Hawkes.

Judging by the response from ChatGPT they probably see themselves as some sort of literary critic?

Frankie Hawkes’ more recent critiques of Romeo and Juliet reflect an intriguing blend of literary analysis with insights derived from machine learning advancements. Hawkes has argued that the play’s weather motifs function almost algorithmically, influencing characters’ actions in a manner akin to predictive patterns.

Wot? They didn't say they cheated, they said they kept a copy of the prompt at the top of their document while working.

I wouldn't call "professional cheaters" to the students that carefully proofread the output. People using chatgpt and proofreading content and bibliography later are using it as a tool, like any other (Wikipedia, related papers...), so they are not cheating. This hack is intended for the real cheaters, the ones that feed chatgpt with the assignment and return whatever hallucination it gives to you without checking anything else.

This should be okay to do. Understanding and being able to process information is foundational

I've worked as tutor, I know those little idiots ain't proofing a got-damn thing

They can. There was that court case where the cases cited were made up by chatgpt. Upon investigation it was discovered it was all hallucinated by chatgpt and the lawyer got into deep crap

LLMs can't cite. They don't know what a citation is other than a collection of text of a specific style

LLMs can cite. It's called Retrival-Augmented Generation. Basically LLM that can do Information Retrival, which is just academic term for search engines.

You'd be lucky if the number of references equalled the number of referenced items even if you were lucky enough to get real sources out of an LLM

You can just print retrival logs into references. Well, kinda stretching definition of "just".

Let's give that a try, this is classic model, no retrieval

Chatgpt how deadly is covid19, two paragraph answer, include citations

COVID-19 varies in severity, with mortality rates heavily influenced by factors such as age, underlying health conditions, and access to healthcare. The World Health Organization (WHO) estimates a global case fatality rate (CFR) of around 1-3%, though this can be much higher among older adults and immunocompromised individuals (WHO, 2023). In comparison to seasonal influenza, COVID-19 has a higher mortality rate, particularly during the initial outbreaks before widespread vaccination. Long-term complications, often referred to as "long COVID," further increase the disease's burden beyond acute infection (NIH, 2022).

Vaccination efforts, antiviral treatments, and improved healthcare protocols have reduced mortality rates over time, especially in developed countries (CDC, 2023). However, variants of concern, such as Delta and Omicron, have shown differing degrees of transmissibility and immune escape, complicating pandemic management. Even with lowered death rates in certain populations, COVID-19 remains a significant public health threat, particularly in areas with low vaccination coverage or overstretched healthcare systems (Johns Hopkins University, 2023).

References:

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        World Health Organization (WHO). (2023). COVID-19 Mortality Update.

    Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). (2023). Impact of Vaccines on COVID-19 Severity.

    National Institutes of Health (NIH). (2022). Long COVID and Post-Acute Sequelae of SARS-CoV-2 Infection.

    Johns Hopkins University. (2023). COVID-19 Global Trends and Variants.


  

Duckduckgos llm cites it's sources. I've seen screenshots of googles llm doing the same.

You're basing your entire comment on made up nonsense, that hilariously might as well be a llm result.

Ok but will those students also be deceived?

Yes and no, applying for accommodations is as fun and easy as pulling out your own teeth with a rubber chicken.

It took months to get the paperwork organised and the conversations started around accommodations I needed for my disability, I realised halfway through I had to simplify what I was asking for and just deal with some less than accessible issues because the process of applying for disability accommodations was not accessible and I was getting rejected for simple requests like "can I reserve a seat in the front row because I can't get up the stairs, and I can't get there early because I need to take the service elevator to get to the lecture hall, so I'm always waiting on the security guard"

My teachers knew I had a physical disability and had mobility accommodations, some of them knew that the condition I had also caused a degree of sensory disability, but I had nothing formal on the paperwork about my hearing and vision loss because I was able to self manage with my existing tools.

I didn't need my teachers to do anything differently so I didn't see the point in delaying my education and putting myself through the bureaucratic stress of applying for visual accommodations when I didn't need them to be provided to me from the university itself.

Obviously if I'd gotten a result of "you cheated" I'd immediately get that paperwork in to prove I didn't cheat, my voice over reader just gave me the ChatGPT instructions and I didn't realise it wasn't part of the assignment.... But that could take 3-4 months to finalise the accommodation process once I become aware that there is a genuine need to have that paperwork in place.

what if someone develops a disability during the semester?

That's interesting. Are there examples of this? I'm assuming they're little one off dead end streets or similar.

In theory, methods like nightshades are supposed to poison the work such that AI systems trained on them will have their performance degraded significantly.

well then don't do that

This is me. Writing gave me so much anxiety in HS and I really should have started keeping a journal or something but I didn't. I devoured books as a kid but still I struggled with putting ideas on paper. Once got so upset at a boyscout event where I had to write an essay for a merit badge that I threw up.

I can write a comment or even effort-post just fine, and I can type 100 wpm, it's just something about structured writing that makes me feel Ill.

Some of the papers I've read from my classmates make me wonder how they got out of high school,

Not beating the allegations about unseriouness

There are lots of people who are bad at long tedious multiplications but still work productively in math, science, engineering, etc.

That's the point of computational tools.

If you say that I assume you either only used older services or your prompt skills are lacking.

ChatGPT 4 is really advanced and can create long coherent fluid texts (with source references). You can also ask it to write as a student or any other target and it will match writing styles quite well.

I conveyed the information, checkmate, atheists !

The point of writing papers for school is to evaluate a person’s ability to convey information in writing.

Computers are a fundamental part of that process in modern times.

If you’re using a tool to generate large parts of the paper

Like spell check? Or grammar check?

... the teacher is no longer evaluating you, in an artificial context

circumventing the whole point of the assignment.

Assuming the point is how well someone conveys information, then wouldn't many people better be better at conveying info by using machines as much as reasonable? Why should they be punished for this? Or forced to pretend that they're not using machines their whole lives?

The implication I gathered from the comment was that if students are resorting to using chatgpt to cheat, then maybe the teacher should try a different approach to how they teach.

I've had plenty of awful teachers who try to railroad students as much as possible, and that made for an abysmal learning environment, so people would cheat to get through it easier. And instead of making fundamental changes to their teaching approach, teachers would just double down by trying to stop cheating rather than reflect on why it's happening in the first place.

Dunno if this is the case for the teacher mentioned in the original post, but the response is the vibe I got from the comment you replied to, and for what it's worth, I fully agree. Spending time and effort on catching cheaters doesn't help there be less cheaters, nor does it help people like the class more or learn better. Focusing on getting students enjoyment and engagement does reduce cheating though.

Lemmy has seen a lot like that lately. Specially in these "charged" topics.

wot? please explain, with diagrams!