Containment breach
Containment breach
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Around 6 months ago I made a profile on Kippo, the 'gamer dating app'.
Because of the gaming centric focus, you either can't or have to pay money to filter by things that might actually make sense for a dating app (religion, political beliefs, do or do not want or have children etc)...
... But what everyone lists is their favorite games.
So I made some basic rules: Hard No for anyone who lists League or other games that are notorious for the extreme community toxicity.
... And LoL being a Nope filters out about 80% of people.
I no longer have a profile on Kippo.
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I hadn't heard of this app, but it sounds like it's even worse than standard apps, which are already a shithole and waste of time. I wonder what the skew is there as well. I bet it's something like 95% men, 4% bots/sex workers/scammers, and 1% women, lol.
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At one point it, like years ago, it was only kind of shitty...
Then 2 things happened around the same time:
Kippo decided to just abandon improving the actual profile/matching system, and decided to turn the app into basically habbo hotel. It does not work well, and they started monetizing more heavily to pay for developing this, stopped improving the dating profiles and matching completely.
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Tons and tons of girls (18 or barely older) began becoming EGirls/TwitchThots, realizing being pretty and playing some popular game was a great way to get simps. Many, many of the profiles on Kippo now are just obviously this, with links to their Twitch or OnlyFans, only playing games that have huge audiences on Twitch.
It used to have a lot more genuine people on it.
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Is there like a must have? Like must love Helldivers II? Liberty lovers only? Managed Democracy 💪?
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I mean, I had Fallout New Vegas, Deus Ex, Squad, Humankind, some others.
I think in all my years on and off using Kippo I saw a single woman who listed FNV.
Never saw any for Deus Ex, for any shooter game that isn't a hero shooter, never any for a 4X...
I never once came close to finding someone with a similar taste for games as myself.
Basically it would either be:
Twitch Girl who plays all the popular on Twitch games. Also does OnlyFans. Also is not looking for dates, just simps.
Awkward Shut In Girl who plays Stardew Valley and Pokemon and Animal Crossing. Only has pics of themselves in a hoody seemingly right after waking up, a bunch of their poorly drawn OCs, and a bunch of their pets. ....Waaay too many pets.
Random person who has only played like 3 games that are over 15 years old and hasn't updated their profile in seemingly 10 years, is never online. Has a decent selfie, a pic of either a bong or a 40, and another pic of some random place they were at a decade ago, seemingly taken either by accident or while drunk/high.
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Fortunately, there's really nowhere for them to go except I guess Dota2, that's still around, right?
Maybe they'd end up being toxic Stardew Valley players 😂
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Deathlock?
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DOTA 1 was outstanding. Still intense, but a lot more fun than what lol is
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Maybe they’d end up being toxic Stardew Valley players
I'm certain that exists. I remember a few years back when I ran into a subreddit that was entirely devoted to vehemently hating a specific animal crossing character (I can't remember which one and have no interest in looking for the sub again). And it was fairly active, too!
People get fucking weird about anything and everything, turning funny jokes into legit worrying belief systems.
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There's one for AC about Tom Nook. The landlording bastard. Then I believe one for Pierre from stardew valley because he's a profiteering, capitalist, cheating removed.
Or so they say.
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Nobody wants to play with toxic children, they not even among themselves. True plague of multiplayer, which could be awesome but it's just not. So props for containing, indeed. It's the asylum they seek themselves and for the best of all the other online communities, best not close it.
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True plague of multiplayer, which could be awesome but it’s just not.
People so often forget the joy of multiplayer is in playing with people you actually know. The true scourge of multiplayer is the death of the LAN Party and the high school / college online play circles as people grow up.
Multiplayer is best when you have a large group of people who all know each other and cheerfully rival one another, before periodically going out to test their skills in larger tournaments, learn strategies, and bring them home again to advance the local meta. Its miserable when you're just connecting to random anonymous people, playing a handful of rounds, and then never seeing or hearing from them again.
Even the most annoying in-group player can become endearing over time. But the anonymous opponent is obnoxious entirely by playing in a way you're unfamiliar with.
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i agree with you so much! i am working on building a gaming company that focuses on friends & family style gaming. cheaters and toxic players can only be avoided by playing with people you trust. where it gets hard is allowing players of multiple skill levels to meaningfully compete.
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Children and Manchildren alike, the latter being an even worst offender
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We handle manchildren in EvE by blowing them up and mocking them incessantly in local.
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So as someone who has never played LoL or any MoBA (or is it a DOTA?), can someone give me a run-down? Just generally toxic behavior?
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There's a thousand little unique skills, and they're all important. Some of them include communicating with your team and managing team morale.
Additionally you get matched up with 4 people who roughly have the same sum of skills, which almost certainly means a completely different makeup of skills
So you notice your teammates screwing up all the things you're better at, and you naturally overlook your teammates skills that don't look like your own.
This basically manifests as road rage where the driver doesn't realize he is the traffic. It creates a situation where nearly all your teammates look like idiots compared to what you look for. Because you're not looking at ALL the things.
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Beautiful description. Well said.
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This reminds me of Overwatch so much. I usually played healer and it was all too common to watch the tanks and DPS being great at doing their own jobs, but terrible at doing them together. Then it's just a feed machine until the game is over.
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It also doesn't help that riot forces communication to be like as if driving a car, you can only ping and god forbid you ping the wrong player.
You used to be able to type in the game but now typing is seen as troll and riot supports this, chat restricting and eventually players that type a number of msgs regardless of content
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Mobas (and team games in general) have an inherent issue where people dont like to be losing, and when they are, they usually find an outlet by blaming the rest of the team.
Its a pretty huge problem in league because
- Behavior problem. Riot has like never addressed the toxicity issue. They've basically said heres some banned words and thats it. People can get by either griefing in game (which has been essentially unpunished) or by typing in non bannable ways (i remember seeing someone using europe as a uhh... You know)
- Game design problem. League is pretty punishing when it comes to losing. You're stuck in a game you dont want to play, esp if your team holds you hostage by not surrendering intentionally. There's no fast way to get into a new game. You have to finish this, lose lp (ranked point system in league), and then possibly run into the same situation again. This isn't really riot's fault. This is just a flaw of mobas that no ones learned to really fix yet
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This is just a flaw of mobas that no ones learned to really fix yet
A flaw of humanity really. But unlike Riot, Valve has and still are taking action against toxicity in DotA 2, for example with their behaviour score system.
- Reports for toxic chat, toxic voice, and/or greifing will lower behaviour score.
- Matchmaking considers this score, putting toxic people in matches together.
- If a player's behaviour score is too low they will automatically be muted.
- Typing slurs in chat lowers behaviour score, and too many will mute the player for the rest of the match.
- On the match found pop-up, it tells you if the behaviour score is differing between the players. You can then either press confirm or queue again to find a better match.
- At the end of a match you can dislike players, which will lessen then chance of meeting that player again. You can also press avoid on a player, making it impossible to be matched on team with that player again.
There's more to it, but that's the gist of it. Still a toxic game but at least 10 times less than LoL.
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Imagine queuing for a game, and then wanting to play it out, only to be told you're holding them hostage, for doing what you all intended to do when clicking play.
It's not really punishing if you're losing, just the majority of folks don't want to work for a win.
If misfits can take SKT T1 to game 5 with AD leona, some dorito boy can lock in for a match.
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5v5 for 30+ mins and one person can easily ruin the experience for their team, on purpose or otherwise. It's a snowballing game where kills and such make you stronger and stronger.
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especially in league,
small mistakes create a downwards spiral.when you die your enemy can lane freely while you miss out.
making him stronger and you weaker.that loss also has more impact.
in mobas the diffrence between a kited out and a ill equiped player is far more drastic than in other games like csgo.the separated laning also makes it easier to pick out a scapegoat.
the lane that lost is easily blamed,
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If a game is going poorly, they find something to blame. And games will often be considered lost very early (even if they might not be) but you still have to play the game until you lose, which can be frustrating for many
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Nah in league you can give up, that game babies it's players compared to some others mobas. But in most yeah you gotta see it through. At least if you have to play out your losing match it forces you to try to get better, and comebacks happen all the time.
Fuck mobas though
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As others have said, it's a very snowbally game. The various characters all grow naturally stronger over the course of the game through gold (to buy items) and experience that you earn by killing minions. The problem is that killing an enemy player and destroying enemy towers grants a lot of gold and experience, so if you fuck up and die (or if you get ganged up on by the enemy team) you can end up making your opponent much stronger. Even if you live and are forced to return to base to heal, the opportunity for free farm or destroying your tower (which also makes it riskier for you to push forward) can make your opponent a lot stronger than you, which lets him kill you easier, which makes him stronger. This can also spill over to other lanes, where the opponent you made stronger starts killing your teammates and taking their towers.
There's ways to overcome this snowball--players on killstreaks are worth more gold when they die, you can gang up on a fed opponent and catch them out to nullify their stat advantage, and you can try and help other lanes to get your team stronger. The champions also have different scaling levels, and some champions get a lot of front-loaded baseline damage while others scale better with items, and a select few champions have theoretically infinite scaling (but are generally much weaker in other areas to compensate). Worst case, this means your team can play super defensive and try to wait out the advantage until they catch up and then win from there. The problem is that all this requires A) communication and the ability to quickly adapt from your teammates, B) the opposing team screws up and doesn't press their advantage, and C) your team is willing to try (which may require dragging the game out for over an hour). Needless to say, this is not always the case, and this design makes it very easy to blame another player for the loss (warranted or not).
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People run around for 30 minutes. Someone gets caught out of position. The game ends. People screech at each other.
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Dota is a different game (series) in the MOBA genre.
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Not a history expert. But I believe dota (defense of the ancients) was (one of?) the first games to create this genre of tower defense in 5v5 with the focus on heroes and skills instead of RTS marco. When others came along, they were initially referred to as "dota-like", which obviously was not acceptable marketing for RIOT. Hence they coined the term MOBA, which come to think of it doesnt really mean anything? (Multi player online battle arena?)
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It's an unintended consequence of the original game's design (DOTA), but yeah, by giving you 4 teammates who can all have a big impact on the outcome of the game, it makes it very easy for your brain to blame anyone but yourself when something goes wrong
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My mom said that the doctor called it a "Containment Breach" when I was born. No clue what that's about.
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Oh shit it's my boy Skooch
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His handle ends in LoL, I wonder if he's a former player
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Skooch is a former LoL content creator. He's still pretty damn funny
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If you never look back at your own shit, you won't know its brown.
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Who isn't?
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Me.
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Its so easy and fun to recognize LoL players when they try and play Dota 2, Dota has a much higher skill ceiling than Lol and they almost always get extremely toxic.
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New fear unlocked.
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riot are also doubling down and trying to also contain the FGC as well, they truly are saints 😇
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On the off chance anybody cares despite it being two days late, here's the original xeet: Xitter
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Maybe they can all go shopping at the SCP Ikea.
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Lol players bad, very hot take
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League of Legends has a particularly obnoxious user base: KanyeNo.jpg
League of Legends has a large base of players from overseas, and this drives English-speaking players insane with rage: KanyeYes.jpg
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Played early af. Trust me bro, it isn't about who is on the other side of the viewport except for the part where that fuck*** **** * * *** * * * ** ** * *** ***** * ** *** cheats and wins.
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