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that is just sad. yet so many will say sexism does not exist
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Pretty sure racism is also involved
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Intersectionality
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Also the person in the next door cubicle that microwaves fish for lunch.
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This is also common in the guitar community. Some women can shred like mofos, and here comes Jim-Bob McGraw saying their playing is tracked etc., ad nauseum
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Sure there are. But then there are girls like Melle Baby who overshadow them not by only wearing underwear. Seriously, how do I get her out of my recommendations?
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Yeah, online gaming has all but confirmed to me that sexism is very alive and well.
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The funny thing is that in my experience female programmers usually have above average skills. I suspect it’s exactly because of this bias against women in tech. Where an average or below average dude can easily get by, this is much harder for women. As a result this bias acts as a kind of filter which results in female programmers being on average a little better than male programmers because all the average or below average ones get filtered out early.
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Here's hard data to match your experience:
"This paper presents the largest study to date on gender bias, where we compare acceptance rates of contributions from men versus women in an open source software community. Surprisingly, our results show that women's contributions tend to be accepted more often than men's. However, women's acceptance rates are higher only when they are not identifiable as women. Our results suggest that although women on GitHub may be more competent overall, bias against them exists nonetheless."
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I might add, in the hostile environment women may feel compelled to try harder at least to make a point. As in, "I'll show you what I can do".
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If she were a man, she’d be calling herself a polymath and everybody would be agreeing with her.
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Hell, she's be the meme for what a "real man" is instead of "gigachad."
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Not a perfect example, but I never see people question Henry Cavil's nerd cred
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Well gamers exist
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Even more rage inducing these comments would be the same if she wasn't conventionally attractive.
Fucking programmers need a solid clip around the ear.
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Claims to be able to program in C++, Java
"Pfft yeah probably only in Hello World"
No that's Elon Musk. He's full of shit. This Victoria Secret model can actually do something.
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I was so glad we had a woman join our dev team some months ago. It's more fun, more relaxed and we are able to get better results as we just cover a wider area of skills. People gatekeeping programming to include only men are idiots.
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That poor girl. My gf's only female teammate quit last month and i suggested she start grinding leetcode asap. Could you imagine being the only woman on a team? Pretty strong indicator that something is very wrong there.
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Eh, my team is this way, but it's because we're aerospace adjacent which further compounds the problem. The only woman on our team is awesome and everyone gets along great. No one has an inflated ego or feels the need to one up each other though, which tends to be the root of the issue in my experience. Lots of tech bros feel the need to put others down, and see women as an easier target unfortunately.
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If we want to reach parity, there's gotta be some only woman at first.
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Pretty strong indicator that something is very wrong there.
Indeed. The gender gap already starts at the educational level, the workspace just reflects that reality. Not sure if you intended to, but it sounded like you were blaming the team/company for it.
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I don't think it's necessarily an indicator of something wrong with the team. it's not easy to hire women in this industry, there just aren't that many of them. A team of 10 people with 1 woman isn't a red flag, it's unfortunately average. If we're talking about a bigger team that's a different story.
It's somewhat easier if you hire immigrants. there are definitely more women devs from Eastern cultures than Western cultures.
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It's annoying sometimes that people just assume that those who don't work in tech are completely clueless about tech.
It's also really funny to mess with people who assumes that.
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as someone who works in tech, the number of people who think they know about tech and are actually completely full of shit dramatically outweighs the people who don’t work in tech and do know what they’re talking about. it can take a lot of energy to differentiate the 2 groups
dunning krueger is at play a lot, because most people use a computer every day and think they know everything about the internet because they know what DNS stands for and typed a command to flush the DNS cache this one time and it worked
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This mirrors the experience of anyone who has studied linguistics.
Because everyone speaks at least one language fluently, they tend to assume that they understand how languages work, while having zero awareness of the fact that people have spent generations studying language and communication at the PhD level and that almost nothing about what we reflexively intuit about language actually holds true.
And I say this as a purely amateur linguistics nerd who does not claim any real formal expertise in terms of academic credentials.
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Yeah, you can't really fake experience either. I recently joined a group of guys who clearly have had plenty of real world experience in the kinds of things I have, and just talking shop is refreshing. Haven't had that ability for a long time.
If someone like her showed up in my team, and she's able to talk the talk, I wouldn't need any further validation and it'd be fun to hear the kinds of things she's worked on.
Funnily enough, a woman is joining this all-guy group soon and I'm told she's really good, so I get to do exactly that.
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This is true, but also IT is a huge place there is an insane amount to learn. So really you spend an incredible amount of time in the "valley of despair". Basically anyone who brags about their skills is VERY suspect. This person is an iOS developer, which is a great career, but the title of the article is phrased like she was at least Linus Torvalds. I'm sure she had little say in this, but whilst a reaction like this is never justified I can see why people made fun of it. Also it was clearly written by someone who has no idea what the words mean. Unless I'm mistaken MIPS is a cpu architecture, you can't program in it. You can write machine code "for" it. So yeah I can see why people assumend these claims were lies.
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Tech is a weirdly wide term. Does it only include IT? Engineering? Astrophysics?
A lot of work is "tech" as in technology related. It is inevitable to be clueless about a lot of technology, even when being the spearhead of development in one specific field.
Meanwhile you don't need to tell the guys at the car-shop about programming, but they most likely know more about every non computer part of the car you just brought to them for repairs, because you were clueless about where that weird sound comes from.
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Welding pipelines and building houses is tech.
Tech being used exclusively for electronics and computing is sort of weird, but idk what else to use.
Calling it the Tron industry would be fun, though.
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Yeah, and even more broadly, there are very few single things you can learn about a person that tell you anything else about them. Like "Because you're _____ your must also be _____." I work with a bunch of literal rocket scientists, and I often see people assume that because they have that kind of job, they probably aren't creative. Pushing aside the fact that there are giant amounts of creativity in engineering solutions, I know rocket scientists who are painters or musicians. Some who have written fiction.
I guess there are a few things where maybe it's valid. There probably haven't been many NBA stars who suffer from dwarfism. But generally when you know one thing about a person, you just know that one thing. Finding out that someone is an academy award nominated actress doesn't, in itself, tell much else.
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Some fragile male egos in this thread. Looking forward to your complaints about the Barbie movie. Sad and pathetic.
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I don't know what you're talking about. For me the fragile egos are way down the thread, all massively downvoted. The absolute majority is supportive.
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People are addicted to rage.
A few arseholes on twitter saying negative things sets a chain reaction of rage to all those who are addicted to their own emotions.
The mature thing to do in all cases is to let it go.
It's also worth noting that the original comments could be aimed at the fact she is a model, and not because she is a woman.
#zoolander
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Not everybody's sorting by Top, friend. They're probably down there where you say they are though.
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My comment on the Barbie movie ..Kens belt buckle looks like a liny Metallica logo...horses are rad and Alan is terrible.
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Alan was literally MVP wtf
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Why would anyone care about an hour-long toy commercial?
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Because that's not what the movie is at all. It actually spends a fair amount of time mocking consumerism and hating on the negative impact barbie has had on women's self image and feminism. It's actually pretty crass with a lot of offcolor jokes. It's more targeted to adults who had Barbies as kids during on the 80s/90s.
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It was a really fricken good movie, way to be closed minded and talk shit about something you didn't watch
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Tbf, the original photo was already discounting her abilities. Saying "can program code" for a lead SWE is saying like "can do calculus" for physicist.
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In their defense, maybe the post was written by some journalist with no technical background at all and doesn't know the difference.
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Very much so. Many non-technical people are still very much in awe when someone drops names of programming languages. And it kinda makes sense. If they have no idea, they naturally equate it to spoken languages. And if someone goes like "I speak these 7 languages", most people would be mightily impressed.
But if you know a few programming languages, adding another similar one might be a matter of hours.
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Also, once you're moderately good at programming, language doesn't matter much. You can pick up a new high level language relatively easily if needed. Low level languages might be harder for some people though, because it takes a fairly different mindset. Personally, I love low level programming, though it's not very time efficient to write.
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Yeah, once you've got a few languages under your belt, it's all about concepts. If you end up learning a new language that follows completely different paradigms, you are back to square one. But most of the time you can go like "Ah, so concept X of the new language works similar to concept Y of that language I already know."
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Whenever I see someone taking down these absolute bottom of the barrel incel dork on social media, it just feels like shoo-ing a squirrel off the bird feeder. Just not even worth taking action
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IMO, it's always worth it because you dont know who is reading this: I imagine some young or teenage girls might see this-- imagine how they feel when they read the disparaging comments from the incels. Pretty dejected, I'd think. Then imagine how they feel when they read the model/engineer's reply. It also shows boys what shite behaviour is.
It's never a waste to shut the misogynists down-- it's like investing in your future.
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In this case the smackdown has gotten quite a lot of exposure. I only know about her because I've seen this same screenshot before.
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Akin to how I feel when I see suggested videos on YouTube which rebut flat-earthers.
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She makes a valid point, but on the other hand, she causes funny feelies in the incels’ pantsal region.
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I manage a software engineering organization at an aerospace company and if I had to rank all my folks, the women would be disproportionately high on the list. It boggles my mind that anyone would discount someone's programming ability because of their gender.
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"This paper presents the largest study to date on gender bias, where we compare acceptance rates of contributions from men versus women in an open source software community. Surprisingly, our results show that women's contributions tend to be accepted more often than men's. However, women's acceptance rates are higher only when they are not identifiable as women. Our results suggest that although women on GitHub may be more competent overall, bias against them exists" nonetheless.https://peerj.com/preprints/1733/
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Oh, I remember reading that one (or an article about it). Frustrating.
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I don't get it either. I work with many, many really smart engineers. About half are women.
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I'm not in the tech field, but most of the people in my office are women and, as a man, it's so refreshing not having to deal with other guys' loud macho bullshit. I never liked it, it always made me feel uncomfortable.
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I wonder if that's the underdog effect at work
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Where I am? Possibly, but I think it's also possible that we have an environment that appreciates diversity, so talented people who have had to put up with crap other places tend to stick around here. People who don't face any sort of discrimination might be as likely to leave as they would anywhere. Several years ago, we had a few consecutive years of downsizing, so the people who remained were all pretty sharp.
I really love the environment where I work. Brilliant people doing some very cool stuff, and most are really nice to deal with. I would enjoy having dinner with every single one of my employees.
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Last time I checked, I didn't type with my penis. But to be honest, I didn't try yet. Maybe I'd be able to increase my performance.
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I don't think it's mostly gender... Programmers aren't usually those that have won the genetic lottery, I can count on one hand the amount of drop dead women engineers I've met in my field, they definitely exist, but they are super rare.
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If we leave out fields that revolve around beauty and adjust for intelligence required in the specific field of work i am not sure, if beauty is actually negatively correlated with engineering.
I don't see a higher rate of beautiful people on the train to work, than i see at work. I just see more on the train, because there is more people overall.
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She a boss fr
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Basically they're scared and intimidated. Here is a person who is beautiful and intelligent and has made something of herself and that highlights their own inabilities.
I think sexism is only part of the problem, they'd have a similar response to a male model who had a successful tech career.
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I'm not sure tbh. This reeks of a regular techbro sexism, not a regular insecurity. Intelligent male model will be a point of envy, not hate
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I'm involved in technology and race mountain bikes on the side. Other than the occasional "it must be nice to be fit" comments from the neckbeard techbros, they're not as openly hostile to me as they are to women who are in tech. There is definitely a strong sexism part of the equation.
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That's certainly a part of the problem here, but let's be honest: how often do tabloids or other low effort media publish such "inspirational" stories that turn out to be absolute bullshit. Like the 10 year old who invented some quantum stuff, but actually his father just let him play around with some tools in the lab.
This story here unfortunately fits exactly this pattern, but apparently just happens to be true.
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Even when they're not factually bullshit, the rhetorical framing is often ick. I'm disabled, and something that I, and a lot of other disabled people hate is "inspiration porn". It's patronising as hell, and most frustratingly, if you try to call it out, people get extra offended because they refuse to see how otherising and infantilising people isn't the same as advocating for them.
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What's the point of your comment? "There's sexism, sure, but it's only 90% sexism!" Why downplay what's going on? How often do you SEE THIS happen with men shitting on men? Come the fuck on.
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It's not necessarily being "scared and intimidated".
We're just conditioned that when someone at the top of their field talks about their hobbies / interests / skills outside that field, it's very often a very shallow level of skill. Why? Because being at the top of your field in almost anything takes a lot of focus. You don't really have time to develop other skills / hobbies.
There are countless examples. Actors or athletes who release music albums that are just awful. Celebrities who write really amateurish novels which would sink into obscurity if they didn't have a famous person's name attached.
Making the problem worse, often the entourage of those rich and famous people is filled with sycophants who heap praise on the celebs. That leads them to believe that they really are good at their hobbies.
Then there's the fact that the world is so hungry for celebrity gossip and special interest stories that "journalists" often get a tiny nugget of information and use it for the basis of an entire article. So, if a celebrity mumbles something about liking their backyard barbecue, it will spawn countless articles about how that celeb is an expert at the art of BBQ, they might release their own branded BBQ sauce, their skills were endorsed by some celebrity chef, etc.
So, given all that, it's perfectly reasonable to be skeptical when you hear something like "This [insert celebrity type here] can [insert hobby here] like an expert!"
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"This [insert celebrity type here] can [insert hobby here] like an expert!"
The original post doesn't say "like an expert", but you continued to create a strawman argument focused mostly on this aspect.
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No, no. The vast majority of people who are interested and good at computer science are men or male. It is the truth. The world is also replete with women who say things like this, but basically can only write hello world to the console.
But exceptions exist and people who don't fit the common stereotype absolutely deserve to be allowed to do what they're good at.
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The vast majority of people who are interested and good at computer science are men or male.
It didn't start that way. Women were the backbone of computer engineering. But like everything, men grew terrified of women's ability, and so did everything they could to put women down in order to hold on to their illusion of power.
That is changing. Women are increasingly becoming immune to the opinions of men.
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Motherfucker, women used to be the vast majority of programmers. A woman was the one who led the team that wrote the code to get to the moon. She also coined the term 'software engineer.' So don't give us that bullshit that the vast majority that are good at computer science are men. And no, the world is not replete with women who claim they can choose but can only print to the console. Where the fuck have you come across that?
People like you are the main barrier for women getting into programming.
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ITT: basically a reddit comment section on a post with any woman.
Guess the "it feels like Lemmy is more positive" days are over. So it goes.
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ITT: people getting upvoted for whining about posts from fragile males, while the few such posts are downvoted to oblivion.
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Yeah if anyhthing it's just like any average reddit post after 2016. I guess the search continues for a site like 2012 reddit.
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What are you talking about? Literally every post with more score than yours is positive and mocking the bigots in the post.
If anything a statement like this reminds me of reddit where <1% has voted and commented but some bad takes are already attributed to the other 99%. (But the good comments are also way older than your post...)
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Check out different instances, I feel like it pretty much depends on where you are. lemmy.world certainly feels a bit more like current reddit than other instances.
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Yeah there's a surprising amount of 💩 takes in the comments... considering this blew up and the type of community it is, I'd guess the majority of normies are here too
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i guess left wing extremists and right wing extremists finally found eachother
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Lol ah yes, the eternal clash between left-wing extremists who believe women are people and right-wing extremists who disagree. Maybe someday they will set aside their differences
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Those guys are pathetic
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I'd be impressed by anyone who could "Hello, world" in MIPS
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I won a competition during university, we had to implement a sorting algorithm with MIPS, however required the least cycles to run won.
I need someone to be impressed by me today, even if it's for something stupid I did almost a decade ago.
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I once lost such a competition, maybe even to you. You have my undying respect. No joke. Rock on!
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Considering the guys on the thread don't know MIPS is an assembly language, I think there's some projection involved.
Though I am not sure why an iOS developer would program in MIPS and not ARM. Maybe there's some sort of crazy Apple MIPS hardware I never heard of... Or they had to pick one architecture and they happened to pick the one that had nothing to do with her company.
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A hello world in MIPS is impressive by itself.
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MIPS as in assembly language for MIPS CPUs? If so that's pretty harcore.
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Yeah, this is the one that got me as well. If you write code for very long, you'll pickup a handful of languages. Modern languages (pretty much all of them in the screenshot) are something entirely different from writing anything near assembly. Even still, it's an uncommon combo.
So if those commenting learn like, 4 more languages including assembly and then turn into a total smokeshow, they can comment.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndsey_Scott
Pretty impressive!
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Amherst College is not an easy school to get into, either. It's easier to get into some ivy league schools.
Source: applied once and was not lucky.
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It's almost like they don't know who Ada Lovelace, Grace Hopper, Radia Perlman, etc. are.
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I've been in IT for 30 years. I wish I could say this stuff surprises me but it doesn't. The industry still struggles with misogyny
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Great list, I think Joan Clarke should be on it too, there are probably many more.
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List wasn't supposed to be comprehensive but feel totally free to add to it, the more examples we have the more we can BTFO the incel chuds
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Programming began as a solely female profession. In the early days of computers mathematics viewed programming as beneath them so it was relegated to women. Before computers they performed complex calculations by hand and those number crunchers were women, so when number crunchers were replaced with computers the best women graduated to programming those instead. If course once it became clear that programming was much more versatile and transformative than just converting math equations into instructions, men just took it and kicked women out of the industry. It's not just the big female names that are being ignored here, it's an entire history and industry that was stolen from women that is being ignored.
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"G-GU-GUH?!?! NO, HOW COULD THIS BE?!?!? A FEMAIL GURL? IN MY PRO-GRAMMING COMMUNITY? PRO-GRAMMING IS 4 MANLY STRAIGHT WHITE MALES LIKE ALAN TURING (lol), ADAM LOVELACE, AND GRAYSON HOPPER"
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What a waste
Yeah it must suck to be able to travel the world and do photoshoots for a living, while also being a software engineer on the side (probably a better one than those commenters too)
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I admire her. Excelling in two radically different areas.
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Studying in 3 if you really want to look at it. Comp science, modeling, and theater
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Intelligent and attractive? Out of my league, gotcha. Best to undermine one of those aspects to attempt to bring her down to my level. Well closer anyways.
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841st fastest growing company in the us
Weird flex, but ok
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yeah right xD oddly specific.
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So is "I have X points on Stack Overflow".
Also, I'm on the iOS tutorial team for somethingorother.com.
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Nope, not really.
Ain’t to many shitposts on stackoverflow and the raywenderlich website is one of the best ios programming resources. This shit is respectable.
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27k points on SO is respectable. I've got 20k and that wasn't easy. There are shortcuts, but to find those you've also got to be clever.
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Yeah tell 'em queen!
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Am I the only one that doesn't think it's a waste if a gorgeous person does modeling/acting? If I had a body people wanted to ogle I would be using that power 24/7 instead of sitting here in a shitty office under fluorescent lights pretending to care about work while they pretend to care about me.
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I'm not really sure what they're referring too. Maybe they misspelled waist?
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She is amazing isn't she? I wish I was that well educated :)
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What is that...new.. sentiment that i am feeling.. 🥰
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I wish i could do half of what she pulled off. Life would be fullfilling.
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Queeen !
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Ok but... What about that white top? Am I the only one that thinks it's freaking weird? 🤔
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It’s made of balloons to match the skirt!
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Wait... That's a skirt? 😱
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can program code
Such a weird sentence
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Love Amherst. Really needs to change its name.
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What’s wrong with the name Amherst?
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Jeffery Amherst used biological warfare in the form of smallpox blankets on natives.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffery_Amherst,_1st_Baron_Amherst
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Probably because it’s named after https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffery_Amherst,_1st_Baron_Amherst who wanted to exterminate indigenous people and used smallpox blankets to try to wipe them out.
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You know what. Good on her. Proud of her doing what she loves. You go girl!
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This is some good shit. As a white American male, I say: fuck sexism and racism. You go, girl.
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Holy shit.
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Intelligent and beautiful? Psh, what a waste
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Does she give lessons?
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Men are so terrible when someone other than themselves gets attention
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So she's a dev who does modelling. Good for her? But what's the big deal?
If the picture showed some ugly guy with the same list of skills, nobody would bat an eye. The list of languages seem like pretty regular set of languages (with the exception of MIPS, where I guess it means MIPS assembler, but most people who studied computer science pick up the one or the other random weird language by the wayside).
Of course, the comments of these idiots that are attacking her are idiotic, but I think the author of the text on the picture is falling for a similar pitfall, being surprised that someone who does modelling would have an intellectual carreer next to it.
All of them (except of course the dev in question) fall for the same idiotic misconception: They believe a woman can either be intelligent or good looking.
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Noice. I encourage more females in stem
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#foundtheferengi
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Double major in comp sci and theatre.
Wait that's only one major, what's the second one?
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Lead engineer = doesn't write code anymore, management role
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Not at any place I've worked.
Why does it matter to you?
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Lead engineer was a (really good) engineer at some point. Also lead engineer still needs to understand a lot about programming and the project they're working with
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I always sort of hated this image. The point seems to be that one should jump to the idea the replies are racist and / or sexist. But when you actually look at who the post is from it’s clearly from some “facts” account / company thing. Which honestly should lead to a degree of incredulity. It’s the same kind of thing as “this 22yr old bought just their second house” and then you read two paragraphs and actually their parents gave them a small loan of a million dollars to start their real estate business.
Like, the whole point of the post is to bait people into saying that kind of thing, so when people fall for it it’s kinda understandable.
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Don't forget all those articles about teens 'making scientific discoveries' or 'inventing' things, then you find out both their parents are high profiler researchers who have access to multi-million dollar labs and their kid just happened to 'discover' some new thing.
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Exactly. It's not about race or gender. If it was a white male in the pic instead, the comments would be the same. But people want to make everything about race, gender and religion in today's society. It's honestly pathetic.
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Too be fair, I'm sure a lot of it just boils down to internalized bias. I'm just saying that skepticism of a clickbaity Instagram image macro probably shouldn't be pointed at as evidence of the downfall of society.
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I don't understand why people absolutely need to make everything about man vs woman.
If it was a male model those people would have written exactly the same. If tomorrow comes out an article saying the same thing about bred pitt everyone would be suspicious about that being fake too
Since the two jobs are so disconnected from each other it sounds unlikely and they assumed it was some clickbait fake post, that's all.
I'm absolutely for equality and against any discrimination against women or any other category, but making this into a gender battle is ridiculous
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Is it just a coincidence that it is all
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Probably not, but then again it would likely be all men in the alternative scenario above too. Why that is is a different discussion I guess
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No, it's not.
But as far as I know is an industry with a very strong make majority, isn't it?
And they would probably have said the same about a man
I'm not saying they are or aren't sexists, I'm just saying that that post doesn't prove anything other than they were idiots.
They are giving us enough reasons to hate on them without guessing reasons that could or could not be true
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Probably not, but then again it would likely be all men in the alternative scenario above too. Why that is is a different discussion I guess
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IMHO you're right! It's not (only!) about sexism, they make it themselves to sexism. It's more about the image that only ugly fat nerds are programmers and someone beautiful just doesn't fit in their little minds. Usually no one fucking cares what people like these think, but because of social media every eye is on those fucking desperate idiots and people feel the whole society thinks like this, what is completely wrong. To say that this is only coming from sexism is completely bullshit imho. Of course there are some, but it's not the only reason.
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Here's some data to demonstrate the existence of gender bias in coding:
"This paper presents the largest study to date on gender bias, where we compare acceptance rates of contributions from men versus women in an open source software community. Surprisingly, our results show that women's contributions tend to be accepted more often than men's. However, women's acceptance rates are higher only when they are not identifiable as women. Our results suggest that although women on GitHub may be more competent overall, bias against them exists" nonetheless.https://peerj.com/preprints/1733/
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Itt: people getting upset over joke comments.
If there was a post about a male model saying the same thing the comments would be exactly the same. Not everything is about gender or race.
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Not everything, but this is.
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Nah. Good job making it though.
If I saw a similar post with a clickbaity headline, where it's a guy who is in a completely different line of work than programming, I'd very well be expecting to see similar comments.
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That is exactly what they would make up for a headline... Yeah, of course, guys...
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You know you can look it up for yourself, right?
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A little scepticism on the internet is normal but I agree, this doesn't seem like one that would be fake.
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Guess what, if that was some pumped-up muscle-bound male model that was 3/4 naked walking down the runway, people would be saying similar things about him too.
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Bullshit
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Dolph Lundgren Chem-E and when folks bring it up, no one expresses doubt
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There is the entire term of "dumb jock" and countless videos and memes of muscle bound gym rats who are stereotyped as being stupid just because they lift weights, but sure, pretend that this is some kind of sexist thing.
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Exactly
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Yeah... hostile work environment... sure
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Tech jobs are absolutely a hostile wotk environment for women. There are way too many guys in the tech community that believe women can't be trusted to understand anything about technology.
Just like you believe that she can't be trusted to know anything about her own work and life experience.
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I'm sure she's a programmer. But she's a programmer who drops her Stack Overflow score... let's just say that's a red flag in my book. (For all programmers).
For non programmers, it's like someone dropping their reddit karma score, or the number of their subscribers on Youtube as the first thing they say. Basically "my most important accomplishment is some rather unimportant digits".
(Views matter far more than subscribers on youtube, mostly because subscribers can easily be manipulated)
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Stack overflow scores are not solar to reddit scores. Stack overflow scores are merit based. If I'm not a good programmer, I am not going to get a high stack overflow score. I can get a high reddit karma count just by reposting the same meme across a hundred different subs
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Not to mention the fact this was literally brought up in response to a credential challenge. She's not going around introducing herself like this a propos of nothing like a blowhard. It's a put up or shut up rebuttal.
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It also means she's a contributor.
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Stack overflow scores are merit based
They're still voting based, and that's a problem. Are you a programmer? Because it's rather easy to get a high Stack Overflow score if you want it. Actually it might be a bit easier. Upvotes earn you 5x downvotes give you.
I actually just checked, I have 721 rep, with 9 questions asked, and 3 answers given. Heck, just logging in each day gets you 10 points.
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You're not impressing anyone, and there is no back door to continue trying to denigrate her skillset.
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It's almost like that was only one metric she gave in the context of other metrics...
Stack Overflow score may not directly correlate to skill, but it does show that she spends time engaging with other programmers and thinking about programming questions, which helps paint a picture in the context of her other qualifications.
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They're important. People found value in the questions or answers she provided on the site.
People who receive backlash/hate are often put in positions where they have to work harder to prove themselves.
Jon Skeet on SO was treated like a God and a meme because his score was so high it reset.
Her using whatever form of merit that we have to demonstrate her skillset is totally valid.
Anyone can learn how to code. What separates the hobbyist from the professional is the amount of time they're willing to put in.
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Yes, people throwing out scores unprompted to brag is a red flag just like what college someone went to without any context.
Doing it as a response to one's knowledge being dismissed is just citing evidence.
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It's a programmer thing and the list of the resume,.male/female will get scunity.
Replace the original with a guy who was walking down the runway and the comments would of similar. C++, python, MIPS objective -c, java...
But yes leading with the stack overflow number... I didn't realize was a thing. Still impressive but instead of typical response would just of been, I'm a lead developer here, or principal engineer here...
And I say all of that yo say, don't imply malicious intent on comments.
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Companies hire based on metrics that are even more useless such as Github commit statistics. Stack Overflow score is a much better indicator in comparison.
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I'm sure you're a nothing.
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I'm just gonna leave this here.
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I agree. I don’t doubt she’s a programmer, at least by schooling but clearly it’s not how she makes her living. To be actually job market proficient in that many languages is not realistic. I took a class in college and learned MIPS but I don’t list it on my resume. I “know” at least 2x as many languages that I have listed on my resume but I am not proficient enough with them to perform real world work with them. Look at any job posting they want 2-5 years experience in any given language to even be considered. It seems she would be a qualified iOS engineer but the rest I’m not so sure.
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Are you like, not a very good programmer? I know at least as many languages as listed here, have worked in many of them, and what I find in modern times is that a few weeks in a language is more than enough to do real work. Shit, like half of programming languages are just based on whether the creator of said language likes semi-colons or not.
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... No one actually cares if you have 2-5 years of experience in the specific language. I've actually never had prior experience in the primary language of any role I've been hired for. At most I just tell the interviewer that my experience with the language is 1 week of reading an online intro guide, and then show my ability to just code in the interview. If I can't make something compilable yet, most interviews are happy with pseudocode. But it really should only take a few days of prep to be able to make something compilable in any language.
A programmer needs enough base knowledge on what they're doing, but that's mostly universal. Languages you can just pick up based on what seems best suited for the momentary need.
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if I ever entered the job market I'd list things like Pascal, Logo, Basic, 6502 assembly ... so shes doing better than me at least.
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