One big happy family.
One big happy family.
One big happy family.
Linux Mint. Cinnamon. With a Windows Vista theme. It confuses and/or irritates everyone who sees it.
I was going to go Mint/Cinnamon, but now I'm going to more.
kde has some impressive windows themes that are REALLY convincing
I'm using the Windows XP Bliss wallpaper on my Fedora PC at work. I've had a few people ask about it haha. Most of the company uses Macs.
What's it called?
Windon't
Not sure but it’s by B00merang-Project. Check their site.
LDME/Cinnamon
Nice! Not my thing but I'm glad that you can enjoy the Vista theme (I remember enjoying it when it came out)
Hannah Montana FTW
RebeccaBlackOS > Hannah Montana Linux
So going off the chalice in the movie, the distro that will save you from judgment is the plainest one – the one with the least bloat? That tracks.
"the cup of a carpenter coder"
Is this going to be Arch or Debian?
So… Slackware?
BTW...
Also kudos to you for your modding last couple days.
Possibly a perfect use of this.
Is it really a choice?
I recently installed Manjaro. It works for my games right now
I highly recommend avoiding manjaro like the plague, their team is incredibly incompetent (see: https://manjarno.pages.dev/ ), I say this as someone who has given people manjaro for years and regretted it, I was also their it person, manjaro regularly broke every few months and gave people a very bad taste of linux
for example, why are kernels given version numbers in packages? This caused 3 separate peoples computers to break multiple times. Everything good about manjaro comes from arch, everything bad about manjaro comes from the manjaro team.
Y’know how it’s not rolling release because they delay packages by 2 weeks? They actually do no testing in this time. How do I know this? They pushed an update that caused steam to uninstall your desktop environment. Famously covered by linus tech tips… this is something that should have easily been caught, and yet the two week window did absolutely nothing.
the truth is for manjaro there is no real usecase, there’s no set of desires that align with manjaro being the best choice for you. I am not asking you to switch away from manjaro, but I do not think we should ever recommend it to anyone, and on your next machine, I recommend trying the arch installer.
But if what you’re looking for is an easy pre-setup arch, use endeavoros
If you want something simple and up to date, use fedora kinoite
If you’re a power user and want to configure every little thing about their system, use arch or nixos
If you don’t care at all about updates and want the most rock solid system possible, debian.
I use arch, err nixos/nix on macOS btw. Do I win or have I made the Linux nerds angy?
This is why you just fucking lie and say "Arch btw"
Or just suck it up and learn Arch and never worry about the incredibly minor differences in distros
Screw that You're all great everybody from slackware to steam deck.
Slack where?
Slack there!
Steam Deck is weird. I mean, I love it, but coming from vanilla Arch it can be frustrating at times. Discover is terrible. Luckily, Distrobox is a thing.
Portage Prefix is a thing too
I putz with Discover sometimes. Though I have no idea how it resolves package updates under the hood, as it often will produce a different manifest than running dnf itself.
What would you like to see improved?
to steam deck.
to SteamOS
For as much as Linux nerds (myself absolutely included) complain about distros like Ubuntu and Manjaro, I'd still take either one over Windows or MacOS any day.
Mac OSX isn't bad... so long as you sell it your soul, and don't want freedom in return, it's great 👍.
I kid... mostly - it's iOS that is horrifying, but Mac OSX is still Unix (tho not GNU), so not anywhere within leagues of Microdick.
And - possibly dumb question - couldn't you always just run a Linux VM at near-native speed, and get the benefits of both?
You can use UTM on an M1 or up Macbook and iOS/iPadOS:
https://getutm.app/
It is not VirtualBox yet, but it is moving fast. And thank $deity it’s not Oracle… like VirtualBox
I’d say iOS is still unix too, just rootless.
Mac is BSD, and the Darwin kernel is open source.
The company that laid me off let me keep my Mac which was a nice parting gift. I don't think I'd ever buy one myself. They're just way to expensive.
A VM doesn’t change the underlying OS collecting data from you
"always" in this case is when you have two or more gpus in your system, which limits the ability to "just" run a vm considerably.
couldn't you always just run a Linux VM at near-native speed, and get the benefits of both?
The obvious downside is that Linux is no longer the host OS. MacOS or Windows would be closed source code managing your hardware. And any VM could only be as fast as the host OS allows it to be.
new to Linux, my first distro was and is Manjaro. what do people complain about? i love it and am glad i left windows for it :)
This website has a decent summary: https://manjarno.pages.dev/
TL:DR: Repeated dumb mistakes that a (relatively) big distro like Manjaro should not be making. Haven't heard any drama in the past year or so though, so maybe they've finally gotten their act together. Time will tell.
It's too "easy" for all the kiddos who tie their self-worth to their ability to follow installation instructions.
Ubuntu has Snap and ads and stuff, but I thought Manjaro was considered good. What's wrong with it? It's supposed to be Arch based.
Replied to a different comment about this: https://lemmy.world/comment/12365020
That's all well and good, but can we talk about proper use of this meme template?
Shouldn't it be "further"? farther is for physical distance, further is for figurative/metaphorical distance.
Eh it works just fine 🤷♂️
Nooo !!!! You can't just use the meme template how you want to, even if it's funny !!!!11!1!1!1
Ah yes, that's exactly what I said.
I’m shocked there wasn’t a single minion or cry-laugh emoji plastered on.
(Sorry in advance..)
Look, a meme Heimdall.
This is great. Just to let you know, whatever decision you make is wrong. Cheers!
Still works though!
Why?
The only people who hate Linux users more than windows and Mac users are Linux users who think you chose the wrong distro
Because there's always going to be someone who says the distro you liked the most is not the distro you should be using. (I use Arch btw)
Because of in-fighting.
I'm using debian btw
I've been rolling Debian more and more this year. If you've got solid Linux chops, it's really great.
I also really like LMDE, it's what I run on my Business laptop.
Fuck it, I'm switching to TempleOS
I'm not doing that unless it has its own compiler.
Has anybody tried to get TempleOS to run Doom?
Just setup Mint last night and have been troubleshooting how to get everything to work. So far I'm liking it. Last thing I setup was Lutris for gaming so that's nice.
Which edition of Mint?
Nooooooo
Cinnamon
Anakin no doubt uses Oracle Linux
The only wrong choice.
Mint, judge me
PS anyone have any favorite resources for absolute tech illiterate noobs? I'm trying, but without a baseline understanding of the subject, it's hard to find the right guides
you're not using debian? that must mean you hate freedom.
My advice is to get a hobby. Self-hosting, or home automation to name a few examples. When you have a specific goal for something you want to do, it's a lot easier to learn.
First half has the actual advice
Literally the most suggested newbie distro, so you're probably fine :)
Like, ideologically I may mention it's Ubuntu-based so it sucks, but from end user perspective, it's alright.
Doubling down on literacy, Linux guides are either "here's how to do that absolutely basic thing" or "using veheydgvrl for quantumschropping the badumbliss". To me, Mental Outlaw produced quite some simple guides (warning: most vids are rants so you'll have to search for actual guides), Veronica Explains might be the fun option and not bloated with anything but tech, and just searching for solutions to whatever your issue is before you grasp how it works.
They have a debian based version, it's pretty awesome. It's still a beta fork atm, but it's rock solid so far
Mint is a very nice starting distro tbh, it was my first too!
What exactly are you trying to do?
That's the thing, I don't know enough to know what to even ask. So far I've been able to follow step-by-step instructions for installing Mint and downloading software, but I don't know what I'm doing at all.
One example of something I spent hours on is adding Cura to the panel. I finally got that done while I was writing this comment by following AndyMH's answer here.
Now, I can read
I would move the appimage into a folder in PATH. If you create a folder /home/you/bin it is automatically added to PATH next time you boot.
And I can do that. I have no idea what PATH is or why I want to do that, but I can do it. And I can look it up, and I'm sure I'll eventually get to a point where all of this makes sense to me, but I feel kind of helpless when I have to look up multiple terms every time I want to do something as simple as adding an application to the panel
Depends on what you're wanting to learn. I'm a fellow tech illiterate noob, but I've been off and on with Linux since like 2006. Finally switched full time a few years ago. Honestly, with Mint, Ubuntu, Fedora I've found you basically can just set it and forget it, depending on your use case. YouTube has been my best friend whenever I have a problem, normally I type my issue into that before even google. How long have you been using Linux? If you're still in the distro hopping phase,I suggest trying to swap Desktop environments instead of distros, as it gives you a little experience with the terminal, is well documented on how to do it, and gives you a good idea of what kind of UI you want
That's all I got, though. I really am pretty illiterate at tech stuff haha
This may be shit advice, but it may help.
I have a mint laptop and was also linux illiterate when I started. The way I did most of my learning was by googling (or duckduckgo-ing) "How do I [x] linux mint" and reading through stack overflow threads. If this doesn't return results, (almost) any solution for Debian or Ubuntu will work on Mint.
In general, I just assumed that if I thought the computer could do it, there would be a way to do it.
Literally me. Can confirm, Stack Overflow is based.
Mint is the shit! The only reason I don't use it is because they don't have a native KDE version. If they ever do, I plan on going right back Mint.
Just a humble Arch Linux user here
It's wonderful how the expression "humble Arch Linux user" manages to pack a contradiction in a mere 4 words.
EndeavourOS
Same. I have zero clue how to use it but anything's better than windows.
I just open the Welcome app, and click the first 4 options to update like once every week or so.
Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912 Distro
What? Why would you choose that over Baptist Church of Missouri SynodOS, you heretic?
Sick Emo Philips reference, bro.
Ah- then I have to dispute your theology on daemons.
I run distro, btw
The best one, of course
Of course! There is nothing like Hannah Montana Linux! 😌
Nuh uh, obviously its AmogOS
I'm an unwashed Mint peasant. Tell me how inadequate I am.
There is nothing wrong with Mint EZ mode. I got a computer illiterate buddy with a 8 year old shittop running it like its new.
Mint is about as uncontroversial as its popularity allows lol
Except all the cool kids use Arch, of course.
You're completely adequate as you are my minty friend!
I love Mint, it has become my workhorse distro. I use LMDE on my personal business laptop. I switched my parents from Windows 10 to Mint earlier this year, and it's been great on their very old and low power desktop.
Cinnamon is not the prettiest or slickest DE, but damn if it ain't the most stable DE I've used.
I'm a KDE fanboi myself, but when I spin up a machine that I need to just work in a super dependable way and is no muss, no fuss, I usually choose Mint with Cinnamon.
Fedora Workstation 40.
On windows until last year, after trying 11 on my T440s which made it unbearably slow so had to start over but instead of going back to 10 tried a bunch of distros.
Fedora stuck, mainly because of gnome vanilla (I really like the paradigm, don't care about deep personalisation) and how everything just worked great.
Fight me?
Nah, Fedora is a valid choice, just like Ubuntu is. Both are great if you don't care that much about personalization and just want a solid distro to get work done.
Fedora is pretty much the new Ubuntu more or less. Ubuntu has gone so far downhill that I can't recommend it to anyone and that's been the case for quite a while.
Reactions:
Ubuntu: 😮why?
Manjaro: haven’t you managed to kill it yet?
Mint: ex windows guy?
Debian: 😃nice, how did you got to that decision?
Endeavour: 😃nice, how did you got to that decision?
Arch: 😃nice, how did you got to that decision?
Nix: 😃nice, how did you got to that decision?
OpenSUSE: 😃nice, how did you got to that decision?
…
Ubuntu: 😮why?
For a lot of people Ubuntu is the linux. Canonical is just good at marketing. For all it worth, Ubuntu is not the bad choice for average user who's not into ricing and not bothered by bloat.
Manjaro: haven’t you managed to kill it yet?
I've been using Arch and Manjaro for couple years each and in my experience they both break regularly. But, for some weird reason, Arch Linux is praised, when Manjaro is shamed upon.
Mint: ex windows guy?
Aren't we all?
I’ve been using Arch and Manjaro for couple years each and in my experience they both break regularly. But, for some weird reason, Arch Linux is praised, when Manjaro is shamed upon.
No, there is not some weird reason but actual very good ones.
Things can break on a bleeding edge update scheme. That's to be expected from time to time. But the questions are "why did it break" and "what is done to fix it".
If something breaks on Archlinux it's because of some new package with a issue that escaped testing. Then the fix come out as fast as possible (often within minutes even, but let's assume hours as those things need to move through mirrors first...).
If something breaks on Manjaro it's either because of the exact same reason as above, but 2 weeks later. Because Manjaro keeps back updates for two weeks "for stability reasons", yet doesn't do anything in those 2 weeks. So they just add the same problem later, completely defeating the argumant about stability. Oh, and fixes are of course kept back for 2 weeks, too, because... reasons.
Or it breaks because they fucked up their internal QA. For example by letting their certificates expire again and again and again and again... of by screwing up their very own pacman-wrapper and then ddos'ing the AUR for all users, not only Manjaro ones.
Or -speaking about the AUR- it breaks because they give their users full access to the Arch User Repository (without any warnings about user content being less reliable and used at your own risk) pre-installed. Also they do it on a system generally out-of-date because it lags 2 weeks behind. Which is not what AUR packages are build for (they assume up-to-date systems) and is a straight path to dependency hell and breakings... not because something went wrong but because the whole concept of an out-of-date system not running their own also 2-weeks behind version onf the AUR is idiotic. On the "plus" side they have an easy fix: blame the user, because he should obviously know that an pre-installed part of Manjaro is conceptionally flawed and shouldn't be trusted.
Linux mint: ex windows guy? I take offence, I’m an ex-SuSE 4.2, ex-macOS, windows only at work guy. (My cinnamon is themed to have macOS ish appearance btw.) [and I lied, not ex-mac as such, I have a few macs round the house, and built my Linux machine to run games on steam/lutris, around a spare gfx card that came out of my classic Mac pro5,1]
The main problem with Manjaro is they hold updates to the repos back for to weeks, which in itself isn’t a problem but they don’t do the same for the AUR, meaning you’re almost guaranteed to have dependencie issues at some point. And a, very minor, issue is that in the past they have broken their forum site, but that hasn’t happened for a while now.
Ubuntu: was the first distro that came up… hated it and went back to windows Manjaro: tried it after Ubuntu, was great for 2 months until it broke and I swapped to arch Mint: never used it Debian: used it once for a VM because it wasn’t canonical, but it was meh Endeavour: never used it Arch: it was great and I still use it for my cheap side laptop, but I forgot to update it for a month and it broke on my main laptop and I wasn’t good enough with Linux to fix it at the time so that computer runs Nix Nix: used it after arch broke and I was paranoid with having to fix stuff… still use it on my primary computer but am frustrated with how hard it is to develop in rust on
In my experience, nix works exceptionally well with Rust. Python and JavaScript are nastier, especially if the libraries use C extensions.
... Fedora?
Lol, forgot that very important one 😂
Reaction: 😃good choice! I think it is a good well distro for people coming to linux✌🏻
Yeah honestly I like to know what drew people to that distro.
Hannah Montana Linux
That was one of the first distros to support Wayland, so it has my begrudging respect.
Ubuntu
I activate Ubuntu Pro
Ubuntu is awesome Change my mind
I've been on mint for a while. Here's a tip for anyone who needs some windows apps that won't work in Linux.
VM workstation 17 is free and is fast as balls. With plug and play pass through too.
Any clue how it handles Illustrator?
Unfortunately not. But I'd imagine flawless. You know of a free way to test?
Can you test. paint.net for me
Lol really? Edit: oh! My bad thought this was something else. Gimme a minute I'll run through it
Why would you want that on Linux? We already have qemu KVM which can be used via libvirt. Just install virtual manager and be done with it.
The speed you are seeing is the same as KVM
Why would you want that on Linux? We already have qemu KVM which can be used via libvirt. Just install virtual manager and be done with it.
Slow down. VMware can be one click and done. All these alternatives and extras and configurations are the reason windows people don't try Linux. Don't over complicate a simple thing. If they want new or more they can figure that out at a later date.
SteamOS.
That's Arch BTW
It's Arch-based, but if
distro = base
then
Mint = Ubuntu
Ubuntu = Debian
Mint = Debian
So true. But this is (usually) more like sibling rivalry instead of actual disrespect. It is kinda fun if you're in the mood to poke at your peers.
SteamOS, what else?
You use SteamOS btw?
Yes, I use SteamOS on my steamdeck. Aside from my nuc which is running ProxMox with several Debian based VMs, that’s sadly currently the only thing that’s running Linux in my house.
Tumbleweed!
OpenSUSE family 🤙
OpenSUSE family
The most stable rolling distro.
Red Star OS, commrad!
Someone should do this meme with the Fediverse
What do you mean?
Well you know, the commie instances, the nazi instances, the cp instances
Which software
Which instance?
Still quietly asking myself why tf that is important. I need an OS to do a task, and I need it to be as easily configurable and as unobtrusive as possible. If I was into nursing an OS I'd have stayed with Windows.
Then do with Ubuntu or its variants. Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc.
Ty. Didn't want to add "I'm using Debian, btw.". Debian ticks all my boxes for ease of install, usage, updates, software availabiliy and - most important - stability.
Ubuntu. I have nothing to prove.
I can't stand Gnome 3. That's why I go with Kubuntu.
Hey another Kubuntu user! Seems like a very overlooked distro, imo
I finally joined the Fedora nation after being on Arch for a long time. Both are great.
I love arch, but I'm also a pedantic computer nut
It's not for everyone
Same, Fedora's my main driver at this point. It's the only one that seems to support being close to the edge that well without instability. And I no longer have the patience or risk acceptance for Arch/-derived systems at this point, as much as I enjoy using them as a hobby and to preview the latest tech stacks.
Whichever one you chose is the wrong one!
This is the only right answer
Whichever one you choose is the right one!
One of the main reasons I've stayed on the sidelines. Lol
Every time I get close, I read about something else screwy.
lol, just try one for a few months and then switch at some point. At one point in my life I was switch distros every two weeks to a months with some stable distro for 3-6 months. But it was an exciting time in 2004-201. Lot of variety back then on how a distro worked
list one problem with Gentoo?
Ooookay, this will get controversial.
Proud Manjaro/Debian user!
So we end up with Arch and Debian. Debian 12 is good enough as is, and runs on a work laptop where I don't care about anything but stability. Arch is respectable and great, but requires excessive maintenance to work properly. Among its derivatives, Endeavour is just a nicer archinstall (so, why?), Garuda is cool but unstable and too gamer'y, Manjaro is a bit problematic at times but generally the safest bet when it comes to Arch. So, when it comes to my main PC doubling as a gaming rig, this is a no-brainer.
this will get controversial
In a linux community? Im shocked, shocked!
Normally when people hear Manjaro, hell breaks loose :D
Apparently folks here are a lot more chill about it
What did you not like about EndeavourOS?
The fact that it adds too little to Arch to be seen as a separate entity. And I don't want to run mainline Arch. It requires too much maintenance to work with it properly, and every update is a bit of a gamble on what's gonna break next - unless you spend solid time reading notes to every update.
Been running Bazzite for a month and having a great experience with it! My nvidea cards work with no hassle, and with the extended proton I have had issues with only 1 game so far, and even that was fixed by just switching to a different version. Only downside so far is that Wayland doesn't work as well as X11 on my DE, but with the rest working great, I have no complaints :)
I feel like Bazzite is the new Arch in the sense that people are proud to use it and recommend it all the time
Could be, though I am not claiming it is the best distro ever made. It is very good for my use case, however, and I think that it is a good option for many gamers that are considering taking the leap.
Would you recommend this distro to someone who hasn’t used Linux (Ubuntu) since 2006? I have nvidea as well and haven’t switched because I hear of issues with nvidea
So... FWIW I post often about I have a painless NVIDIA experience, including playing Windows only games, including VR games.
I thought "Damn... how did I get so lucky?" and yesterday while tinkering with partitions (as one does...) I decided I'd try a "speed run" to go from no system to a VR Windows only game running on Linux.
I started from Debian 12 600Mb ISO and ~1h later I was playing.
I'm not saying everybody should have a perfect experience playing games on Linux with an NVIDIA but ... mine was again pretty straightforward.
I'd argue it's easier with Ubuntu and accepting non-free repository, probably having the same result, ~1hr from 0 to play, without even using the command line once.
Ran Aurora that is also based on Fedora Kinoite, just as Bazzite.
The world is seriously not ready for atomic distros. SO many workarounds to make basic things it's insane.
What was some of the difficulty you ran into?
I haven’t had to do anything weird but I don’t need anything outside of flatpaks usually.
For most other things a container with more traditional package management works well.
Went with nix about a month ago and it started off great. Slowly learning to not really like it. A lot of problems that are really hard to fix
What kinda issues are you having? Most of my problems with Nix are solved with overlays or creating a module. Admittedly, in order to do that you still have to know how to fix your issue the usual linux way. Afterall, Nix is more of an abstraction tool IMO; good for replicating something across a ton if devices. If you don't need that, there's other distros that work much better out of the box.
PopOS is fun. Mint is pretty good too.
I'm really looking forward to using their Cosmic DE once HDR support is in.
Is PopOs or mint getting support for HDR? I'm dual booting PopOs but the lack of HDR support is of the things holding me back.
Whatever it is it's the wrong Linux
You dropped this -> /s
They're deadly serious. Every Linux is the wrong Linux.
BSD is the only way.
(hears the rumble of the hurd in the distance)
Debian for the Transbians (trans lesbians).
Debian is like the Unitarian Universalists of distros. “You’re here? You’re here! That’s great!”
I am finding this argument strangely compelling.
Oh no.
But isn't Mint based on Debian? Can I be in the club despite my vanilla choice or do I have to change?
Maybe Mint can be for transbian subs?
There is Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE) but default Mint is Ubuntu based (Ubuntu is also based on Debian).
I have zorin and mint dual booting on my surface book.
really liking zorin, very pleasing to look at, simple, haven't run into any software I had on windows that I can't run here. I don't game on, could still be a slight negative, but so far I love it.
Zorin looks really nice and clean. I'm still waiting for them to release the Grid management tool...if that is actually going to happen
I've used Zorin for a time, it is really good
Why having two Ubuntu-based distros on a dual boot, if I may ask? Matter of whatever visual preference you now have?
it was actually an accident. I had mint, then went to install latest zorin and it asked to split, I said sure why not. hadn't gone through the process in a long time, wanted to see how it went. I really only use zorin though
I've run Zorin for about a year for my 13yo's gaming machine. Most games are through Steam w/ Proton, and almost nothing has been impossible to run. (Except Roblox so f Roblox I guess)
lol Roblox is what he's into right now. he can play that on anything though really, so he uses a surface.
NixOS
NixOS
but am looking to move away because of the lack of SELinux or even AppArmor
apparmor is partially supported (check nixos security. apparmor, some manual configuration may be needed), not selinux though and probably never will be
Sorry, I'm Plan 9 all the way
Did first 8 plans fail?
Very interesting thing. Linux Namespaces were inspired by it.
It's from outer space
mint.
Bazzite bro here
The one that does what I need it to do on the device I'm running it on. I've currently got four different Linux distros on x86 PCs around my house at this moment.
ChromeOS
Alpine, mainly. It's not bad on desktop.
Put any distro in front of me and provided I don't need to master it, I'm good. Ubuntu is fine. Debian is fine. RedHat is fine. Fedora is fine. I even have a tiny low-end system that is using Bohdi. Whatever. We're all using mostly the same kernel anyway.
90% of what I do is in a container anyway so it almost doesn't matter; half the time that means Alpine, but not really. That includes both consuming products from upstream as well as software development. I also practically live in the terminal, so I couldn't care less what GUI subsystem is in play, even while I'm using it.
Find me a distro, that works with Nvidia 4070 / Intel CPU.
Can support a 3 monitor setup with weird sizes. 4k, 1440( in vertical), and a 1600-1200.
Play most games with out scaling issues.
That should do
P.s. very little CLI and tinkering needed.
Bazzite or Nobara.
Bazzite worked well for me with dual monitors and a 1060. But I can’t speak for 3 monitors and a 4070.
Sounds like a job for a USB trial run on a rainy weekend when you're not doing anything else.
Nvidia supply OEM drivers for the Debian family (Debian, Ubuntu, Mint), if not others, assuming the open-source drivers don't cut it for you. Microcode updates are released for both Intel and AMD.
You'll probably run into issues with some games. Things are getting better on Linux, slowly and steadily, but many games are written specifically for Windows with no Linux port available. Steam's store, for example, shows which games are SteamOS compatible, which usually means they'll run on Linux too.
For other games it's worth checking the Internet - e.g. www.protondb.com to see if anyone else has a particular game running under Linux. You're probably aware that there are programs that attempt to provide some layer of Windows behaviour that form part of the solution. Some of the solutions may or may not involve command line use.
Openbsd