How SUSE Is Replacing Red Hat as the Linux and Open Source Enterprise Standard-Bearer
How SUSE Is Replacing Red Hat as the Linux and Open Source Enterprise Standard-Bearer
SUSE seems to be poised to benefit from Red Hat's errors around CentOS and the availability of RHEL source code.
It’s become clear to many that Red Hat’s recent missteps with CentOS and the availability of RHEL source code indicate that it’s fallen from its respected place as “the open organization.” SUSE seems to be poised to benefit from Red Hat’s errors. We connect the dots.
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Also SUSE: OpenSUSE needs to change their name because we say so
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There's always been the risk of confusion and openSUSE project seemed to have understood that SUSE could disallow the name at any moment. A name change does make sense for both. Especially now that even Leap might be distancing itself from SLE and whatnot.
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A name change does make sense for both. Especially now that even Leap might be distancing itself from SLE and whatnot.
Agreed, but GeekOS or whatever it was they had on that oSC slide ... Cheesus, they can do better than that.
Yeah, I get the mascot's name is Geeko, so maybe that is where they're getting GeekOS. But I think I read that the mascot has to go together with the name anyway.
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There’s always been the risk of confusion
A name change does make sense for both
Then make SUSE become ClosedSUSE. It couldn't be easier.
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To be fair, OpenSUSE is the only project with a name like that, so it makes some sense that they'd want it changed.
There's no OpenRedHat, no OpenNovell, no OpenLinspire, etc. -
I should call it Bella Linux
PS: in reference to my MC in Zenless Zone Zero
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Belladeez nuts
Fukkin gottem
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Debian Stable.
It's always the answer to "what distro do I want to use when I care about stability and support-ability.
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And, unlike CentOS, it can't be legally taken over by a corporate entity and changed into something entirely different. Debian is owned by Debian.
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Maybe just not for corporate enterprise that wants phone and tech support? unless Debian has an Enterprise vendor? The PLM systems and other enterprise level software are certified on SUSE and RHEL, personally I haven't seen Debian listed anywhere.
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I know at least of Freexian. But also, Ubuntu tends to cover the "Like Debian, but with enterprise support" niche.
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In my homelab I have Debian VMs originally set up with Debian 6 in 2011 which were upgraded another 6 major releases to now Debian 12 over the years. When I think about Debian I always get a very warm cozy feeling.
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This article reads like a press release from SUSE.
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No because the caption under the first image says that SUSE's mascot is a 'gecko named Geeko' -- which cannot be farther from the truth, for it is a Chameleon named Geeko, that is the mascot of SUSE. Aye.
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This seems like a PR release and has zero proof or data in the article to back itself up.
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Yep. I've seen nothing of the sort in the wild. Still Ubuntu and RHEL/Centos/Rocky/AMZ2 in the DC almost exclusively. The only things I've seen making a few inroads for practical applications are CachyOS and Clear Linux.
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Didn't SUSE just ask openSUSE to change its name?
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Mmm, maybe. "Joining the dots" also can be read as "taking a lot of bad feeling about X, and some good activity about Y and exaggerating both"
EL is pretty dominant still, although much of that seems to be Rocky/Alma rather than RHEL, but there's no way to get real numbers.
What I have seen is a lot of uptick in Debian and Ubuntu servers. We are moving away from EL towards Debian now because of what we perceive as ongoing instability in the EL ecosystem caused by Redhat. Our business depends on a reliable Linux OS so we're doing the maths.
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Rocky Linux and possibly Alamalinux are the future if openSUSE is anything to go by
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Rocky doesn't support the range or products needed to be "the" enterprise suite.
Heck you could even go Liberty Linux and have the same bins as Rock but support under SUSE, plus k8s, plus update management, plus security tools, plus k8s multi cluster, plus some ai thing to convince investors you are doing something with it.
Like, and all that's great, but honestly still not "enough" all under one roof for some enterprise costumers who are just looking to turn a problem into an expense.
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Am I living under a rock? because I've never heard of Rocky and Almalinux lol
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Two direct continuations of CentOS aiming for full RHEL compatibility
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Yes. Is it moist under there?
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They are enterprise server oriented
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If you care at all about Red Hat Enterprise Linux or CentOS, yes. See the Dec 2020 announcement. https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/
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Not to be confused with OpenSUSE…
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I actually use a decade old version of this to control a very expensive machine at work which is simultaneously surreal and validating of all the time I
wastedspent learning linux from my teens onward
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To be honest, their demand that OpenSUSE rebrand left a bad taste in my mouth. I get the logic behind it, but the time for that passed a long time ago (probably about 15 years ago).
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their demand that OpenSUSE rebrand
Slight changing of the tone, there. They have formally requested the change, not demanded.
Maybe that will follow, I can't read the future, but it's not the case today.
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It has “become clear”. Has it?
Red Hat contributes more to Open Source than pretty much anybody. Certainly more than SUSE. That seems self-evident. If you want to debate, bring receipts.
As per the article, SUSE gets most of its money from SAP. SAP was founded by a bunch of ex-IBM people in Germany. They make IBM seem like cowboys.
The new SUSE CEO is ex Red Hat. Again, according the the article, the hope was that he would bring some of the Red Hat “open source magic” but SUSE has proven too “corporate”. Not exactly supporting their own argument there.
I am not close enough to the situation to know, but I doubt SUSE is taking over anything from Red Hat soon. RHEL is so far ahead that they have multiple distros trying to be “alternate” suppliers of RHEL by offering compatible distros. SUSE themselves are doing that now. If the world is looking to SUSE, why isn’t anybody trying to clone SUSE Enterprise?
SUSE is making some smart moves, given that they are the underdog. But let’s not confuse that with SUSE pulling ahead of Red Hat.
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To be blunt...
Redhat contributes a huge amount to the community.
The only ones who think they're misstepping or whatever are just making noise and likely aren't even using RHEL.
I don't think people realise exactly how far their contributions go for usability, and getting rid of Redhat of actually a really bad thing for Linux.
I'd even argue, the only people complaining about this likely don't contribute anything to Linux anyway...
The only thing they did is stop oracle pulling their repo, rebranding and selling support slightly cheaper.
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I disagree with you. You seem keen to insult people who might hold an alternative opinion, so no doubt you'll attack me as well.
Redhat did far more than just stymie Oracle. That you're saying that suggests you're either deliberately ignoring the facts (Ending CentOS 8 7 years early with no prior announcement, being massively disrespectful to the volunteer CentOS maintainers and support staff), deliberately paywalling source deliberately to target all rebuilders, not just Oracle, generally being amateurish and entitled dicks to the community through their official communications and so on) - or you simply don't know.
About the only thing you say that is correct, is that Redhat do contribute a lot to FOSS, even now. That deserves respect, but it gets harder to do that at a personal level each time they do something simultaneously dumb and selfishly corporate. A lot of people have given Redhat a lot of space and stayed quiet out of respect of their history. Maybe they are right to, but the direction they're heading doesn't look healthy to me.
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Half of what you're writing isn't really true.
You're likely assuming a lot of that.
Everyone knows that Oracle was the reason. Sorry, but they basically bragged that they stole the latest rhel source code and added an unbreakable kernel. And they purposely targeted Redhats customers with support by stealing their work.
In other words, their only other choice was to basically close shop... Oracle has been screwing them for years,
Also, sorry, but is it disrespectful when a company drops a project? We could make that same comment about every project. Also, CentOS is open source, as you said, so anyone can download it . They didn't.
You're also likely assuming they're not pouring a huge amount of resources into it too
The perfect current example of rhel improving Linux is pipewire. They are literally unfucking Linux one component at a time in large chunks. It's insane that people here are treating them so badly.
In fact, the community has no problems mistreating Linux developers over tiny things, which is why developers like myself which have been badly attacked in the past have stopped contributing
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To my eye, Red Hat’s “direction” has not changed since they formed the Fedora Project to begin with ( the first attempt at keeping RHEL and their “no cost” options distinct ). Attempt number two was the creation of CentOS Stream. Now it is the way they manage RHEL SRPMS. No change in direction. No change in intent. No overall change in their behaviour.
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Redhat have done a lot for Linux in the past. And that will likely continue for some time yet. But they have done some seriously questionable things ever since IBM bought them out. I don't like the direction they seem to be heading in as withmany of IBM products.
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Is there a “questionable thing” other than your views on CemtOS? I do not watch them super closely but I do not recall anything else.
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I'm sure enterprises are just running for the door, just like they did when IBM bought Red Hat. Also Hashicorp. Enterprises are going to dump Terraform because it's closed source and owned by IBM
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Thing is, the last time I saw under the hood while collaborating with suse, the packaging was a freak show and the culture was abrasive.
Rocky until PCLinuxOS gets a decent VM template.
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Why PCLinuxOS?
I'm genuinely curious.
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Saw the thumbnail and for a second I thought a new backrooms video dropped.
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Downsizing the number FOSS developers every couple of years is pretty much the standard in enterprises, yes.