Trump-loving gays say their MAGA support is ruining their lives
“I was at the beach the other day and I was booed off the beach, a guy started kicking sand on me.”
How is this an example of leopards eating faces?
In this case the backlash is from the gay community to a (stupid) member of the gay community, so saying it's a leopards-eating-faces party (lefp) member getting their face eaten would mean the gay community is the lefp right? I don't think that's what the lefp meme is about
“When Trump won, my husband was so upset he wanted me out of our apartment. The rage was unexplainable — I mean honest rage. I could not understand this emotion in him and why anyone would let a political vote destroy or nearly destroy a marriage,” he said.
if you vote for someone who'd like to make your marriage illegal, it's gonna strain the marriage duuude
"but I just don't understand that" -that dumbass
I've had a lot of people pull the "It's just politics, why are you so mad?" card, especially after Trump won. Just shows this is all a game to them, that they do not give a shit about the consequences of their actions.
Most of the ones who did it to me were straight white people though, so they were insulated by their privilege. It takes a whole other level of delusion to play that game when you're one of the minorities these assholes target.
Most of the ones who did it to me were straight white people though, so they were insulated by their privilege. It takes a whole other level of delusion to play that game when you’re one of the minorities these assholes target.
insulated by their privilege is the right phrase; i was fucked over multiple times by biden et al's banning of gays from marriage & federal service and student loans, but if you mention it now you get labeled as a tankie or russian/chinese shill; only the younger gays and the people who biden et al. hasn't fucked over get to enjoy this privilege while people in my situation have to forget or white knuckle it.
Also politics displays values. I don’t want to date a republican for myriad reasons like valuing low taxes over strong social services or opposing environmental regulation. Caring for those struggling and for the environment are firm moral positions of mine and I would be angry to find my wife disagrees with those.
It takes two people to let a vote ruin a marriage. If you know your spouse has strong feelings about politics but it's just a game to you, then just maybe you shouldn't play the game in a way that will make your spouse hate you.
I mean, you've got to be stupid to be a MAGA head. But being gay and a MAGA head you need to be terminally dumb. Amazing that such people can breathe without intellectual assistance.
Dumb or horribly self-loathing. Unfortunately, there are plenty parts of America that help instill that feeling.
“When Trump won, my husband was so upset he wanted me out of our apartment. The rage was unexplainable — I mean honest rage. I could not understand this emotion in him and why anyone would let a political vote destroy or nearly destroy a marriage,” he said.
Could not understand why anyone would let a political vote destroy a marriage. A political vote for a party that wants to destroy that marriage might do it.
Also reminds me of the "the missing missing reasons" thing. Where one person is like "it's unexplainable. i have no idea why they're so upset" but when you probe a little, you learn that they did explain.
"I don't understand the emotion"
Exactly like my dad on this. It's really simple, he likes Trump's crudeness, cruelty, insulting, and offensive behavior, and getting a rise of people for supporting him or repeating his most blatantly vile statements. It's juvenile fun to play around with.
He knows he's eating shit to make other people smell his breath. Everything past that is a justification slapped together. Ultimately nothing matters to them past the sport politics sophmoric bullshit.
Very interesting and very sad read.
How anyone can be a member of the LGBTQ community and vote Republican is beyond me. Makes no sense.
Imagine either hating paying taxes or hating brown people so much you'd vote for people who want to see you hanged.
I work with two lesbians who are Trumpers. No surprises, they hate all non-White people with a passion. The only thing that surprised me is that they're so racist they hate Chinese food.
Propaganda, full stop.
My cousin is one of these. The reporting on Palestine and Democrat support pushed him even more to the right because of Israel...
My cousins are big Trumpers and their biggest reason for supporting him is his anti-immigrant stance. The kicker is that they're half-Thai with a mother who immigrated from Thailand. They happen to look Mexican and were bullied for that growing up, but that experience didn't exactly teach them empathy or anything.
It's perfectly possible having been born with characteristics that make one a "member" of a minority and still be a prejudiced asshole who discriminates against "others". In fact the prejudiced take is to expect that's any less likely for people from a specific minority to be prejudiced than other people.
That said, Trump and his ilk are targeting with their hate LGBT+, though mainly Transexuals and LGBT+ isn't really A community but several.
Considering that at least some year ago there were plenty of stories of Bisexual men being discriminated against by other LGBT+ people, it's not overly surprising the notion that some people who are Gay would thing that attacks on Transexuality are nothing to do with them personally and might even agree with it.
Unlike the reductio ad absurdum fantasy of liberal Identity Politics, people do come in all kinds no mater what group you tag them as being members of.
Not the same. Of course there are dumbfuck bigoted assholes who fit somewhere in the queer spectrum. It’s the dumbfuck bigoted assholes that appear to be marginalizing themselves, supporting bigotry against themselves and everyone like them, that seems like the bigger inconsistency here.
For example bisexual men being discriminated against by people who are NOT bisexual is at least logically consistent
I've got a book for you. It's from 2002 but it still has some insight into this topic
Oh, weird, because their MAGA support is ruining other people's lives as well but it doesn't seem to cross their mind.
That guy seems like you could explain irony to him 20 times in a row and he'd never get it.
I was at the end of school during the 2016 election and my closest friend in my Comp-Sci class who I'd known from 11 was in the far right pipeline; this person found Hillary absolute abhorrent, loved trump and was generally the 2016 Pepe style crypto-facist. We live in the UK too, so this is even less common than it probably was in the USA.
When school ended, I stopped speaking to this person, but a few years ago saw that she's come out as a trans woman. I'm happy for her and not really keen to reconnect at all, but oh boy am I nosy about the timeline of her political views. I wonder if she still holds them, was struggling with internalised issues or just had a huge realisation at some point.
I'm in an identical situation as you (also from the UK funnily enough), except I did keep in contact with her, albeit at arm's length at first. She's explained to me over the years that it was internalised hatred, made worse by her family's very outspoken views about anyone not straight and white.
When she finally had a chance to get away and start thinking things through herself, she began to accept herself and others. She's a lovely person to be around now, and pretty vocal in trying to help other people learn about and understand trans healthcare and mental support. But most importantly, she's happy.
I'd hope we were talking about the same person and it's a small world but I think people who are targeted by extreme right views is sadly just probably common.
That was really wholesome to read!
Liberal tolerance is such a defacto default that people who would be hard done by a white christofascist America end up signing up for it because they assume it will include the same rights and freedoms they currently enjoy.
Also every trans Trumper believes they will be the token accepted trans person in the far-right. Same as some Jews cosied up to the Nazis to extract personal privilege at the expense of snitching on their own people only to end up at the exact same end-game anyways.
The far right has a way of infiltrating people's minds when they are already mentally weak. They lurk around certain communities and poach people out of them.
This is how reddit was staunchly pro Ron Paul in 2008. Myself included. I still contend that that experience was a training ground for future internet-based astroturfing.
They wind up the 20 year old virgins and turn them into incels, and from there and turn them into misogynists. As an example. Remember when /r/conspiracy was an interesting place full of lively theorizing about UFOs and Bigfoot?
They dip into the source of your emotion...whether that be depression or desire, and widen it into a giant chasm ready to take in all your hate as if that will fix everything in the world. They blame your x on y, and to fix y you gotta vote for R.
The funny thing is....this is the exact same story we are told after some idiot starts shooting up a mall. That they were targeted by extremists online. Same book, different protagonist.
Should we just admit that the rise of the far right is just a symptom of a long unaddressed mental health crisis in the US, and certain people exploiting that for their own gain, or is it too soon for that?
Should we just admit that the rise of the far right is just a symptom of a long unaddressed mental health crisis in the US, and certain people exploiting that for their own gain, or is it too soon for that?
100%. The sickness of the system comes from inequalities and gutted education. Thanks, Reagan!
One of my buddies suffered from the same problem. He was left out and generally held at arms length until he was shown love, or at least understanding. He flipped almost overnight and realized how grave his mistakes were. He ended up becoming a teacher and hopes to help students before they made the same sort of mistakes he did when his teachers were shitty to him. Props to him for breaking the cycle.
He still regrets how far he pushed some people away, and the actions he took as a teen. But he is much happier now and we have mended our friendships with him.
Wow. I would be nosy too. :-D
For me it's actually hard to respect someone's political views if they haven't tried the rest.
Which is why "cancel culture" itself is maybe not very important, but the very idea that someone has said something wrong 10 years ago and must apologize or be ostracized is dubious, because it automatically means that the person expressing it either never doubted their own views or is a hypocrite who lies about their own path to what they are, or even worse, a conformist coward. Conformists are always the worst kind of fascists and supporting mechanisms which reward conformism is the worst thing one can do.
Every worthy intelligent person I know has been all over the place in the past. Pointing out inconsistencies not by "party line" and popularity, but inside their own logic may have limited use, but that's assuming the person judging understands that logic, and humans are complex.
FFS, Exupery's Citadel jumps all over the place inside itself. And I don't think Eco's views can be characterized more precisely than "generally left". And Tolkien - there are sometimes kindergarten-level articles triumphantly accusing him of being this or that, but again you can't.
anecdotally: t-female-presenting people tend to have conservative views; so there's a good chance your friends views haven't changed much.
Idk what trans women you have met but conservative views are extremely unpopular in the entirety of the transgender community. Being alt-right would get you entirely ostracized and barred from accessing most trans communities and spaces. Queer people are significantly less likely to be conservative than cisgender heterosexual people.
I also have no clue why you describe trans women that way. "t-female-presenting people". You can just call us trans women, or transfeminine people if you're including feminine non-binary people as well.
It's interesting to me that your experience is so vastly different from mine given we live in the same area (SF bay area). Most trans people I know, including myself, fall on the far left, and at significantly higher rates than the cis people I know (Queer or not). I've also never heard the term "t-female-presenting" before, it is completely foreign to me. I mostly hear and use "trans women" or "transfeminine".
I wonder if there's another demographic factor, or you are in a unique community of trans people. The people in my circle are generally 20-35, nonreligious, working class, often living paycheck to paycheck, and are actively and primarily in community with other trans people, as a support structure. How would you describe your circle?
good.
choices have consequences.
no one who endorses a psychotic dictator should ever be allowed to feel comfortable in life.
Psychosis refers to a mental state characterised by hallucinations and paranoid delusions. Are you saying Trump hears voices in his head he thinks are real?
a not inaccurate description of his behaviors.
especially the paranoid delusions.
his constant professing of what "people" "say" "to him", especially particularly absurd things that there is no evidence anyone has ever said to him, would also technically meet the definition of him hearing voices - IF he is not lying. Which, to be fair, he could be, because he lies about a lot of shit all the time.
Impossible to rule out. Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck. I'm no ornithologist but heuristically speaking treating the proverbial duck-like phenomenon as though it is a duck coincides with a statistically high probability of ideal results.
Apparently, Jews for Hitler are also having some trouble. They're commiserating with the black members of the KKK and the Association of Marxist-Leninist Landlords.
Leopard-loving people say their leopard face-eating support is ruining their lives
Being a complete moron ain't exclusive to straight people.
“I’m almost anti-gay,” Dorman told The Post. “It’s an embarrassment to see this kind of behavior… I’d really invite them to go to Iran or Gaza. See what that does for you. See how fast they throw you in prison or kill you.”
"And that's why I'm supporting a party that wants to do the same thing."
So you're super fucking racist? (Not you, the person quoted from the article.) Ok, got it. Just wait until they do away with all the people who don't look like you and then find out how that goes.
I had a friend who is gay and supported Mitt Romney back in the day. He campaigned against gays. Obama won and legalized same-sex marriage. She is now married to her wife. Reminds me of her
obama didn't legalize same sex marriage; the supreme court did
I knew a gay republican couple. They both cheated on each other constantly. They didn't do anything pro-gay or even remotely lgbt themed. They were actively ashamed of who they were. Both from affluent families, so that makes sense. One of them got me super drunk, and then took advantage of me while his partner was out of town. These are not good people.
I know two married men who are openly and claim to be happily gay, adopted 4 children, but are so pro-trump and all that crazy shit. Idk how they can be like that. As a gay woman, it's so confusing.
As a straight guy, I'm also confused.
"I am one of the good gays. There is no way they are sending me to Daschau."
...
Shocked pikachu
Me as any vulnerable minority supporting Trump's fascist project:
“I’m almost anti-gay,” Dorman told The Post. “It’s an embarrassment to see this kind of behavior… I’d really invite them to go to Iran or Gaza. See what that does for you. See how fast they throw you in prison or kill you.”
The internalized homophobia is strong with this one. It's honestly really sad. I mean, he's an ass. But it's still kind of sad.
The internalized homophobia is strong with this one.
And let’s not forgot the Islamophobia.
You don't have to be smart to be gay
They think it's ruining their lives now? Wait till after the election
I would never suck a MAGA dick. Enjoy being lonely while your cult worships the orange fascist!
MAGA isn't a cult. Cults are small. MAGA is big enough to be a religion, which is far more dangerous.
Anti-theist here, religion in all it's forms is a blight on humanity, but let's not muddle the waters with misused vocabulary.
The difference between a cult and a religion is not the number of believers, it's how much they enforce groupthink, how hard it is to leave and if they are based around a charismatic leader who profits directly from the imposed sameness and thought control. Generally cults:
That's how, for example the catholic church isn't a cult but scientology is. The sharp surveilance and strong measures in place to prevent deviancy make all the difference. It's easy to leave catholicism, but leaving scientology can even be dangerous.
Cults are completely different from religion and size is not a defining factor. They're more similar to a con and will sometimes use religion to exert control.
Knitting Cult Lady is great! She has a video outlining 7 defining characteristics of cults but I can't find it.
You’re right. Even the moonies had big politicians kissing up to them once they got big enough and no one blinked, despite their leader openly claiming he was above Jesus Christ of Nazareth on the heavenly totem poll.
We’re dealing with a very strange religion.
Same thing. Cults are never small.
The person I really don't understand- I mean I know she's a horrible person, but I still don't understand it- is Caitlyn Jenner. She's supporting a party that openly wants to erase her.
She is the typical Republican -"Oh, but I'm the exeption. Thats different."- type. She also speaks out publicly and loudly against trans women in women's sports and then turns around and plays a women's golf tournament.
I guess I can't fathom the level of cognitive dissonance it takes to vociferously get behind people who want you dead, but I guess these people existed too- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews
Yeah but golf isn't a sport.
Give it a few months after Trump wins and it will literally ruin their lives.
All that anti-gay legislation Trump signed last time? It’s gonna be double this time!
"I don't understand why other people at the synagogue treat me this way," says member of Jews for Hitler.
Once again... leopards, faces
GOOD!
"Gay man who put face inside the leopard cage is sad that his face keeps getting eaten"
Damn, black gays for trump must be getting pounded then. Pun intended 🙂
the same gay people who would tell the cops stonewall is right up the street
A hundred years on, and lessons are still not being learned.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews
"Well, well, well, if it isn't the consequences of my own actions."
"OWWW! MY OWN FOOT THAT I SHOT!!!"
I never thought leopards would shoot MY foot!
Lol the cognitive dissonance levels here, insane.
I vote for criminalization of my friends and family. Why are they pissed at me?
Whatever, fuggem
Or don't, preferably.
I have no sympathy. I’ve dealt with a lot of difficulties being gay, and yes in some ways the fact that I get less real political options sucks, but the solution isn’t to decide that it’s ok with fascists when they’re gay.
Reminds me of Uncle Ruckus.
This has strong nottheonion vibes.
🐆
Good.
Maybe they should stop supporting him.
Back in the day, if you were gay, ignorant people thought their lifestyle had bad influece on others. They were afraid of the consequences of having gay people living close to them. The gays were ostracized, persecuted, ridiculed, excluded from bars/communities/etc. I just post this comment as a reminder. Please be nice to others. You don't know where they come from. Try to be including, start dialogues, build bridges.
i was alive back in that day and having to vote for someone that actively ostracized, persecuted and ridiculed my life until he opportunistically switched sides very recently hurts my soul.
Did anyone read the article? Or am I not understanding the article correctly? Isnt the article saying their life is harder because they're being rejected by the LGBTQ community for supporting Trump? Or lol am I misunderstanding this comment section that seems to be mostly implying they're life is worse from the other MAGAs rejecting them?
Edit: I'm laughing at how bad I am reading the room not at anything the article or comments are saying.
The article says that the specific people they're featuring have been ostracized from the gay community. I wish the article was longer, because there's a remarkable lack of self-awareness on display in the few quotes it includes.
It's a terrible article and mostly click bait. My take away is they are being rejected by both sides. Big surprise.
I’d bet money that it isn’t their MAGA support that’s ruining their lives, but rather everyone else’s ostracizing them that’s doing it.
More victims of wokeness, smh /s
Wait til you see what happens in another 7 months
They're in the sunken place.
lol ok
It's not that these people are necessarily dumb it's a kink like any other. They want to keep the thrill of getting off on doing something illegal and socially unacceptable (in the fascist society they support)
I can understand people disagreeing with them, but kicking sand and attacking people is literally the actions of fascist too. You don't win people over by attacking them.
That sounds like the right answer, but really, I'd be right there kicking sand.