Human rights

I relate to this on such a deep level. I really dread using any toilet that doesn't have a bidet now. I can't figure out why they aren't everywhere . It has to be better for the environment.

Imagine the filth in your average public restroom.

Now imagine if they were all designed with powerful fountains that spray water up and out of the device if not intercepted by an anus.

I’m pretty sure “this is why we can’t have nice things” is true in this case, just pre-emptively.
- The wonderful thing about every bidet I've ever used is that they require intentional actions to be activated. I have never gotten a surprise spray yet.
I was in Japan for two weeks and not once did I use a toilet without a bidet. It was glorious.
I don't know if I'd trust a public bidet, the amount of poop people leave on the toilet seat doesn't give me confidence they wouldnt find a way to get their explosive slosh into the nozzle
- I think we just need tiny sinks in stalls, or rather, all public stalls should be designed as semi-ambulant stalls.
  
  Growing up as a crutches user (hip deformity) I didn't fully comprehend that the standard stalls don't have sinks in them. I kind of knew they didn't all have sinks, but I didn't think too hard about it, I sort of assumed the reason most people flushed then came to the main public sink was to use the mirror or dryer.
  
  I got to used to filling my personal bidet at the sink, using it, and washing it at the sink, all behind the privacy of a closed bathroom door.
  
  When I had my hip surgery and no longer needed semi ambulant stalls, or disability access stalls, and it was just so inconvenient to fill and rinse a bidet bottle in a regular public bathroom I stopped using it.
  
  Then a few months later started using the semi ambulant stalls again so I can use my bidet, because it turns out my lichen sclerosis doesn't like public toilet paper and I was getting really bad infections.
  
  But yeah, personal bidet bottles are great, but they require a tap near the toilet.
  
  Some public sinks are easy to fill a bidet bottle, but a lot aren't, you physically can't fit a bottle under the taps and because bidet bottles aren't common it can feel embarrassing to fill it at the public sinks. Disability stalls almost always have a proper tap and sink for washing toilet aid devices.
Go for a portable one. Be clean and proud. Nobody is gonna ask you about the flask-thing anyway unless they want one. https://www.happypo.de/ No idea if it has a translated site, but it's quite butt-forward anyhow.
- We have those in the US as well. They're meant for women who just gave birth to clean their privates. The hospital gave my wife 3 that we got to take home since they can't reuse them.

I don’t think I’ve seen a post that spoke so strongly to me

That said. Working at a Japanese company has some perks like this in particular

I got to learn to love those bidet toilets through my frequent (extended) work travels to Japan. Got one for myself at home when the bathroom was up for renovation. Now I am dreading any work trip to not-Japan because I'll have to shit like a barbarian for that time.
- I'll have to shit like a barbarian for that time.
  
  I try and pre poop for this reason, if going to town and get caught out etc
  
  Smearng shit around your asshole with paper might have appealed to 8yr old me but no longer is it the mischievous fun it was in the long ago.
  
  It was also bemusing to see the great TP shortages of the Covid era and snicker

I know corporate overlords wish there could be, but I don't think we're at the point of having someone in there with you to check that you're actually pooping just yet..
So poop at home, then just sit there and catch up on your scrolling on company time..

Do you guys have that much control over when and where you poop? I see this idea of "just hold it in until you get to your preferred location" fairly regularly and that seems insane to me. It's not like my poops are an imminent emergency every time but I definitely couldn't hold it in more than an hour or maybe two on the high end, and that would be pretty uncomfortable. That's not enough time to get home in many cases. In other words, when it hits, I shits.
- I generally go once in the morning (going from being horizontal in bed to being vertical out of it usually does the trick) then I'm done for the day. But even if I have to go again I can generally hold it at least for a bit unless it's a food poisoning type situation.. ¯\(ツ)/¯
  
  But then, digestive systems vary widely, so all that matters is what's normal for you.
- I am not a Doctor.
  
  At the risk of providing TMI, one way to go is to basically schedule it by training your body to go at consistent times of day. Eventually, your circadian rhythms and your bowel work together and you're on track. More from actual doctors here; advice is for constipation but the gist is the same.
  
  Edit: strong coffee with breakfast really helps.
- I use coffee to my advantage of planning my poops, I like to get to work early for partly the reason of being able to poop while the restroom is still cleanish
- I can control it. However, the indignity of pooping like a savage without a bidet is far preferable to the discomfort of flexing my sphincter all day.
  
  I wish I was like my wife who just wakes up and poops right away. But alas I don't get going until after my second cup of coffee.
to check that you’re actually pooping

AI will do that soon. Until then, managers can ask employees to donate vacation hours to make up for people who take too long in the bathroom.
- AI will do that soon.
  
  I guess pass that hurdle when we get to it..
  
  managers can ask employees to donate vacation hours to make up for people who take too long in the bathroom.
  
  They can ask lol

Using just toilet paper is like if a bird shit on your arm and you used toilet paper to wipe it off. There's still shit on your arm - you're still dirty and need to wash it off. Bidets are really superior in every way.

I mean, If a bird shit on me, I wouldn't consider myself clean if I just hosed it off with water either. Soap needs to be involved. Bidet or TP is just a stopgap until you actually wash your ass. With soap.
Wet wipes and soap bro
- Wet wipes are a problem to the sewage system. They don't break down, they clog. Don't use them unless your selfishness outweighs your sense of responsibility. This isn't a TED talk, just be a decent human being.
Using a bidet is like a bird pooped on you and you just splashed that shit all over the place and got everything wet.
- Steps for using a bidet:
  
  After pooping, remain seated on toilet seat with bidet
  
  Turn on bidet to desired pressure.
  
  Wiggle your butt around letting the water jet spray you down.
  
  Turn off bidet.
  
  Grab a few squares of TP and fold them over.
  
  Wipe water off and inspect for cleanliness.
  
  Repeat steps above if TP wasn't clean.
  
  Congrats, you're now a pro, an clean, pooper.
- Did your parents not teach you how to clean?
- If you really believe that, possibly you are too thick to be using a bidet.

Wash up in the sink. Or the water cooler.

I've always wondered, why aren't Bidet Showers(aka the bum gun) more popular in the west? Should be a far more cheaper and similarly hygienic option no?

I don't have too much experience with this style, so this is probably completely unfair... but I lived with a guy for a bit who brought his own portable version that hooks up to the sink... and dude would constantly leave water everywhere no matter what we'd tell him. So I def prefer the in-seat style based on my lack of trust for the humans using them.
- As someone who has used both the bidet shower and the in-seat style, you're right. The bumgun tends to be more messy. Your hand will also tend to get wet, but not necessarily because of splashback.
I've used that as a kid and I always wished public bathrooms had them asw.
- Are you kidding?? I would never use a public bidet. Even the thought of one is appalling. I feel like people that love a bidet don't understand how bacteria work.
Our bathrooms aren't set up for that in the US at least. The floor is often wood or fake vinyl wood. The only part of the bathroom that is waterproof is the shower/bath.

I generally carry a portable bidet when I travel for this reason. But yes, I'm traveling in Japan right now and it's great. Also the fact that the bathrooms are clean.

A (single use) water bottle with a sport cap is basically a portable bidet. One can even easily adjust the water pressure.

Now I take baby wipes backpacking with me. I can't go back to dry poopy butt after owning a bidet for years.

Baby wipes are a life saver where bidets aren't common! But please please don't flush them people, most plumbing* isn't built to handle them (even if it says flushable on the back).

Portable bidets are great for work!

With my pocket bidet, pocket pussy, pocket watch and pocket knife, I'm officially pocket-challenged.
- https://www.humangear.com/shop/p/bidettoob
  
  This one is cheaper and probably easier to use base on nozzle design.
- What an amazing day to have eyes.
Topical UN.

Hope things are moving along as they should be over there.

So true. I was just at a client site yesterday, forget bidet, the stall walls barely even cover below the knees and above the shoulder, plus have inch wide gaps between the walls and doors. May as well just poop in the sink.

Yeah that don't track. I poop on company time and walk away with a pampered butt thanks to my bidet. Feels fantastic and clean.

I think they mean when they're in the office
- Exactly. Unjustified RTO is basically a crime against humanity.

Move to Finland. Problem solved.

The bidetphilia is strong at lemmy, which never ceases to amaze me.

we're not all americans, here

I've used many a bidet, and I had one installed before eventually removing it.

Isn't it kind of gross to have shit-spackled water being sprayed around a larger area of your undercarriage? I enjoy a nice bidet, but it just kind of seemed gross to me. You wipe clean, then whatever fecal matter and microbes are left then get sprayed onto your taint? That doesn't really help things much.

Do what I do: only poop in nearby businesses so you never pollute your toilet, and then immediately come home and take a shower.

The nozzle needs to be constantly sanitized, or you're basically just letting shitty water be sprayed on you. Studies have shown that regular use of a bidet disrupts healthy vaginal microflora.

Pregnant women should especially not use a bidet.

Even a constantly (every use) sanitized bidet is generally less sanitary than proper wiping. Using a spray of water to handle fecal material is very obviously suboptimal. I feel like it's absurd that people need to be told this. You might "feel" cleaner, but you just allowed bacteria a vehicle to spread over a larger area of your body.

Curious why you feel its absurd people need to be told this? Even in the the study you linked, they note in the discussion

It is of great surprise to find that detection of fecal bacteria was prejudiced against the bidet toilet users.

Still a concerning study to me, since I'm a habitual bidet user. Fortunately I don't need to worry about vaginal microflora. Furthermore, I could only find this one small study that shows correlation (not necessarily causation), so I'd be hesitant to immediately regard bidets as less sanitary than wiping, especially for men.
- Fecal bacteria were detected in 50 of the 268 cases (18.66%), 46 cases in users (92%) and only 4 cases in non-users (8%). Contamination by other pathogens was 4 to 6 times higher in users than in non-users.
  
  It sprays shit around. I guess to me, that just seemed obvious. But I hear what you are saying to me. It even surprised the researchers, so why would I be surprised that other people find it surprising.
  
  I take your point. It seemed very obvious to me after installing one, but I'm being rude by assuming knowledge. Thank you for correcting my attitude.
- There are several more studies. That was just the one I was mentioning because it relates to serious health concerns for pregnant women.
  
  For men, perhaps less of an issue, but I'm just generally in favor of keeping fecal matter as localized as possible and cleaning myself regularly. I would never take a shower where the shower head sprays up from the floor, you know what I mean? I wash top down, paying special attention to the stinky and the dirty areas, and I clean myself with the idea that everything I'm washing off is going down, into the drain. Not up, back onto my body.
It's fresh water from the plumbing that gets sprayed on your butt. Like having a butt-exclusive shower with CLEAN water. I don't think you can even buy bidets that recycle shit water to spray your butt. That sounds awfully unhygienic. Are you OK, friend?
Maybe you'd like an original bidet, the ones that are basically just a sink low on the floor so you can wash yourself
I'm being downvoted for pointing out that numerous studies have shown that the bidet is not the hygienic dream you all hoped it was?

You all are some weird people with more funk downstairs than I want to think about.

Directly from the NIH: "Kim et al. conducted a study of high-risk pregnant women with preterm labor and reported that the use of a bidet toilet was associated with abnormal vaginal colonization and increased the rate of preterm labor in high-risk pregnancies."

I assume you all are also anti-vax because of the 5G?
- Can you post the link to that study? I wanna read it. Here's one that says almost the opposite:
  
  Normal use of the bidet toilet by pregnant women poses no clinical health risk for preterm birth and bacterial vaginosis.
- It sounds like you think bidets use water from the toilet bowl, so it's shooting dirty water at you.
  
  That isn't how they work. 🤦‍♂️

Buff Girlfriend ... posting about butts, poop, and bidets.

No baiting going on at all.

Nope.

None.

Buff.

Sure.

Username checks out.
- You realize that is the stupidest, lowest effort response possible. And it's, by definition, a targeted personal insult.
  
  Lemmy really is filled with stupid trolls.

You all just like having your poop splashed all over the place.

And you like putting paper up your holes? How does that argument make sense?
- Up? No, that's reserved for silicone.
  
  You ever see TP splash around and get everywhere? How does that make sense?

Yeah. The upside down shower I use works great. I clean myself off, and the shower head between my feet keeps spraying what I've just washed off my body... back onto my body. Totally reasonable, no reason for criticism.

WTF are you on about, do you think bidets use toilet water from the bowl or something?
A bidet only sprays your asshole though? And it doesn't get it's water supply from the toilet bowl, it's hooked up to clean water? I don't understand why you think any of that happens.

Edit: I read your other comments farther down, so the context changes matters. I get what you were aiming to say.
- Thanks for at least trying to understand my admittedly poorly contextualized metaphor.