Rich Americans are getting second passports, citing risk of instability
Rich Americans are getting second passports, citing risk of instability

The rich are getting second passports, citing risk of instability

Rich Americans are getting second passports, citing risk of instability
The rich are getting second passports, citing risk of instability
They're afraid of instability so they go to Greece?!
If you have a Greek passport you can live anywhere in the eu right?
Not quite so simple, but makes things certainly easier.
"As an EU citizen, you have the right to move to any EU country to live, work, study, look for a job or retire.
You can stay in another EU country for up to 3 months without registering there but you may need to report your presence. The only requirement is to hold a valid national identity card or passport. If you want to stay longer than 3 months, you may need to register your residence.
In many EU countries, you need to carry an identity card or passport with you at all times. In these countries, you could be fined or temporarily detained if you leave your identity documents at home - but you cannot be forced to return to your home country for this reason alone. "
https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/residence/residence-rights/index_en.htm#eu-citizen
To be fair the same British who voted forn Brexit were already living in Spain (the awful individuals in the US and UK are related because of terrible media groups such as Fox and Sun).
A rapid change, you say?
To be fair Greece is pretty stable when you're living on your mega yacht
they get to fuck us over then scram to somewhere not as fucked over.
Was going to say it but my version was less concise.
Dear blue and white collar workers, please consider coming to Germany. We need a FUCKTON of People.
Last time I checked, even most IT jobs required you to speak German. I'm not saying this is unreasonable in Germany, but I think it might make it harder to attract a fuckton of people.
A lot of Germans speak English, depending on the region. Also, I've found that some job postings tend to over state their standards, in other words, please consider my Duolingo subscription when reviewing my application.
NGL, you will get more Jobs if you speak German but I looked on https://englishjobs.de/ and apparently there are many IT Jobs which you can do in English.
If it were only so easy. We tried. You might get a work visa, but getting citizenship is damn near impossible.
I'll go but how? What do I need to move there?
https://www.germany.info/us-en/service/visa/residence-visa/922288
"Persons holding a US passport may apply for their residence permit at the local immigration office (Ausländerbehörde) after arrival in Germany and without having obtained a visa prior to travelling to Germany. Please note that you need to register your new residence (Anmeldung) with the authorities (Meldebehörde) within 2 weeks of having moved to Germany. You also need to apply for your residence permit at the local immigration office (Ausländerbehörde) within the first 90 days of your stay in Germany. (...) We strongly recommend contacting the local immigration office as soon as possible after your arrival in Germany in order to secure a timely appointment.
Please note that you may only take up employment once you have been issued a residence permit explicitly authorizing such employment. You may also choose to apply for a visa prior to travel, effectively permitting employment from the first day of visa validity"
I tried. Even got a degree in German Language & Literature. Took additional language courses through the Goethe Institute in DE, etc.
Though I've spent the last twenty years as a software developer (which is classified as an Engpassberuf), I was told that the regulations would only allow me to seek work based on the skills from that degree (Berufsqualifikation).
"We already know how to speak German."
You could check on the new requirements. There are some massive changes this year to the work visa programs. One such change is that you don't have to work in your field of education anymore.
If the pay for engineers wasn't shit I'd genuinely consider it, but getting 1/3 of my current pay to leave San Francisco ain't worth it. Especially given all my friends are here and I don't need a car.
You're forgetting all the things you don't need to pay for in Germany. Healthcare, massive insurances and rent, could even forgo a car with the great public transport and work from home. Might even have more left over at the end of the day than if you were to live where you live now.
An engineer living in Germany really doesn't have it bad at all.
You should compare by salary minus cost of living instead of just by salary alone, almost most places will be way lower than SF in terms of salary.
Another thing to consider is work policies and overall lifestyle of the people there and see if you are compatible. For instance it's generally not ok to talk about work outside of work in the Netherlands, so if you are a workaholic it would cause some issues.
Y’all need engineers? Also y’all deal with that AfD problem yet?
Seriously though, my family left Germany a generation too soon for me to claim citizenship. I would be a dual citizen otherwise
Did any cousins stay behind? If you had cousins that either survived WWII or died in WWII in Germany, that counts. My great great great grandfather came to the US from Bavaria in between the world wars, but since his brothers stayed behind, I was able to claim German citizenship, though I don't speak a word of German.
Wife and I are moving to Frankfurt am Main next month from the USA. Hopefully it goes well for us.
This is near the top of my list if I do emigrate. Hoping being a developer makes the process easier.
It's VERY TRUE, but no body will take that invitation, job ads in Germany DEMAND that you speak fluent German to work here. I mean you are not even considered if you you tell them you will start learning the language. This happened to 3, highly qualified , experienced colleges of mine plus with me so multiple cases. I know at least 2 cases , where People who are living in Germany are afraid to change jobs within DE because they been rejected due to lack of German language.
I agree one might need to local languages, but no talent from outside is coming pre learned German in droves. There will be change in this before Germany REALLY NEEDS people. Till then one must talk DE or work with junior/inexperienced person leading to inefficiencies ( see FOR EXAMPLE: DB and multiple of your companies)
But don’t move to nazi states
There's no downside if you can do it and extreme wealth is only a requirement if some of the many offers don't apply to you. Spain was basically giving away citizenship a few years back. Bulgaria is pretty open.
I've lived in the US for quite a few decades, but I'm still a German citizen. When asked why I don't take US citizenship, I give a three-part answer:
This is a personal decision but I think it's better to be pragmatic about it. If your country of origin permits dual citizenship I'd do the naturalization simply because it gives you more flexibility. It's a more secure status, no need to worry about renewing or spending longer periods abroad. And you get to vote of course.
Citizenships and passports are bureaucracy and they don't define who you are, that comes from your heart. I'd look at it as a practical matter.
My understanding is that Germany is looking to start permitting dual citizenship later this year.
FYI the citizenship law is changing later this month, you’ll be able to acquire US citizenship without losing your German one. https://www.rtpartner.de/immigration/doppelte-staatsbuergerschaft/
There is a downside to US Citizenship for some though, as one of the only countries on earth yo demand you pay taxes on income earned outside the country
I think Portugal will basically sell you a passport for a €250,000 investment. I don't know about Spain. I had Spanish residency years ago but moved away and let it slip, residency was pretty easy to get back then. I'd fuckin love to have an EU passport.
Portugal will give you a residence visa for a €500,000 investment but you have to actually spend time in Portugal and learn Portuguese if you want to become a citizen one day (5-6 years later).
Some Caribbean islands will sell you immediately citizenship and passport for like $300,000 though.
Worried about the increasing instability that they fucking created with their sociopathic levels of wealth seeking.
Speaking of instability, I'm actually baffled at Canadian government.
They didn't try to attract US and UK companies to set up offices in Canada when many people in those countries were worried about Trump presidency and Brexit, respectively.
The Americans make it almost impossible to get citizenship so I'm not sure they were trying very hard.
The instability they funded politically so they could get more tax breaks, profits and suppress labor.
They got theirs. Set the place on fire while they run off to wherever like Ted Cruz when things get a little uncomfortable.
Reminds me of an old writing prompt.
Humanity spread into the stars. They're generally quite kind and helpful and treat all worlds as important. But occasionally they'll ignore uniquely made human ships. When asked about it, most humans just say "The powerful abandoned Earth after nearly killing us. Now we're returning the favor"
Super weird to read this having emigrated right after RBG died. Like, I'm not rich I just read the room.
Ironic given they all bankrolled and fought for what is creating said instability...
God forbid the rich have to live in the world they made.
As I've said for a while, anyone with more than two brain cells and the means, is leaving the USA or planning to leave quickly right at the edge of disaster.
Causing the house fires by supporting republicans then fleeing when it gets too hot.
The top destinations for supplemental passports among Americans are Portugal, Malta, Greece and Italy, according to Henley & Partners.
Duly noted.
Wall of text about things I learned while trying to leave the US incoming:
Passports to Spain/Portugal/Netherlands/Malta/Greece/Cyprus are buyable but incredibly expensive, you basically have to spend a few hundred thousand to a million or so Euros in property investments in the country. Obviously most people don't have the means to just buy expensive overseas property/business.
Italy is just a popular second passport destinstion because it's one of the most likely for Americans to qualify for and it's relatively easy compared to the rest of Europe, since anyone descended from an Italian citizen (i.e. anyone anyone who resided in Italy in the 1860s or was a citizen afterwords) is also a citizen, with no generational limit. The chain is technically broken by mothers, but you can sue for discrimination and win to get it anyways (this is pretty common).
Something similar also applies for Hungary, except past your grandparents or so you have to actually at least be conversational in Hungarian. But the thing with Hungary is that a Hungarian citizen counts as anyone who has ever been a citizen of a Hungarian state or lived in Hungarian-controlled territory throughout the entire country's history, even if it was 1000 years ago. So if you can reasonably establish that you're descended from anyone who has ever been "Hungarian" and you can speak Hungarian reasonably well, you can get a passport.
I think Lithuania also has similar rules to Hungary but I'm not sure.
Poland is any Polish citizen born since 1920.
Germany is extremely finnicky and can even vary by region, but in general any German citizen until 1904 lost their citizenship after 10 years out of the country so for the most part descendants of Germans who left the country 1914 or afterwards have a decent case for citizenship by descent. But I've seen people successfully gain citizenship from ancestors born in the 1890s. It all really depends on the luck of the draw for your embassy agents and the amount of good documents you can muster up. The good thing about Germany is their bureaucracy is extremely quick and I've gotten responses in less than a day of sending questions and requests. Technically they don't allow dual citizenship, but the law is changing soon and they have been making exceptions (something not very common in immigration, mind you) for that for a while now, for US citizens at least.
Slovakia is generally pretty lenient, if you have a grandfather or great-grandfather from the Slovak portion of Czechoslovak territory since like 1900 (maybe even before) then you might qualify for citizenship by descent. This is actually what I'm going through right now (since my non-biological great grandparent came here from Slovakia), and while it's very time consuming and relatively expensive (I'll probably end up spending more than a few hundred dollars, probably a few thousand, over the next year or two before it's over) it is possible to do without hiring an immigration lawyer (which cost thousands to tens of thousands of dollars). Be warned that Slovak bureaucracy is well-known for... not being so quick.
There's also the "Slovak Living Abroad" certificate to which you can get residence without actually having Slovak citizenship by descent, it's provided if you can prove considerable cultural ties to Slovakia and that you've helped contribute to Slovak culture abroad (you have to have Slovaks and others holding the SLA vouch for you too).
Czechia is less forgiving than Slovakia in this regard but it's still likely you qualify if you're a Czech citizen.
For Ireland and UK, it's if you have grandparents from Ireland/UK or parents who are Irish/British citizens.
For Switzerland I think only Switzerland-born citizens pass it down.
For Netherlands, grandparents born in the country pass it down.
Nordic countries are very strict on citizenship by descent and only allow you to claim citizenship before your 21st birthday if you have a citizen parent from the country.
Dual citizenship is completely illegal under any and all circumstances in Austria, but those with Austrian parents qualify for citizenship (you must renounce all other citizenships).
For Ukraine, dual citizenship is completely illegal (but the enforcement of that is complicated), those with immediatle family (including siblings) who were born in or lived in Ukraine between 1917 and 1991 qualify.
Spain and Portugal allow those with grandparents who are citizens to pass down citizenship. They used to accept anyone descended from Sephardic Jews who left the country in the 1500s, but I think they met a quota or something and then stopped accepting those applications recently.
You can technically gain citizenship to France if you're recommended by a higher-up after serving a few years in the French Foreign Legion, but you don't want to do this. I highly advise staying as far away as possible from the FFL, and on the off-chance that you even get past training, the odds aren't in your favor for applying to citizenship even after years of service.
Having residence or citizenship in an EU country makes you a resident or citizen of the EU, and allows free travel and work throughout the Schengen zone, and you get almost all of the benefits of being a citizen of all EU countries you are in.
Other than buying citizenship or going through the process of citizenship by descent, the only realistic way to get permanent residence in a European country is by having years of experience in a highly valued field and getting a work visa / blue card (or in Germany's case, just find an employer willing to hire you and the government will allow you to stay) and work in the country continuously for a few years (usually 5 years). You may have to contact an embassy or look up the jobs the government of the particular country values, but in general they want: engineers, software developers, other STEM, medical professionals, tradesmen. And you'll probably only have a chance of being considered if you have at least around 3 years of experience working in the field.
Another option if you're young and have the proper credits is college, although this is usually pretty expensive – but it can be very cheap in most of Germany, Finland, even LatAm countries like Panama, since they have free tuition for foreigners and very low-cost housing for students. Norway/Denmark used to have free tuition for foreigners, but last year they stopped doing that and now only allow EU citizens to go to have no tuition costs. This is an option for people who did very well in high school or who have already completed a Bachelors (sometimes even an Associate's is enough), but if you didn't then you're out of luck and only qualify after you get a degree.
I have ADHD which was completely untreated all throughout highschool so I did pretty terrible there, I wasn't exactly rich, etc. etc. so my only realistic option at the time I began searching other than acquiring my Bachelor's degree as soon as possible was to try to find some way I could get citizenship by descent. I had no physical genealogical records so I had to do all my searching just by working my magic with internet tools and Google search using the names of the family members I knew. Apparently I'm generically Anglo as fuck and all my ancestors were the first motherfuckers to land on this continent, so the only foreign ancestors I had were English/Welsh/Irish/French/German/Dutch/Swiss/Swedish/Austrian people from 150 to 300 years ago and there wasn't a hint of an ancestor that'd actually qualify me. Well until recently where I found Hungarians who I can trace with birth certificates all the way to the Habsburgs, but I don't want to be the one to have to acquire and pay for all of those records/certificates so that's a last resort...
But I also figured out that the grandparent who raised me and who I've lived with my entire life, who I'm not biologically related to and complicatingly didn't actually adopt me or gain guardianship of me (instead being married to my biological grandparent who gained guardianship of/adopted me) had Hungarian, Slovak, and German parents who moved to the US right after the 20th century began. Obviously the weird legal situation complicates things, but I was able to obtain documents from the Slovak government and all that's really left is to go through the slodge of getting all my documents certified/apostled/translated, getting a shit ton of documents from the US government, basically just slow, tedious, and expensive stuff. But I have the means to do it now and it's just a waiting game now, and I'm confident that it'll end with me gaining citizenship (even if it takes 3 to 5 years). And I plan to still do all of it without a lawyer.
Honestly though it'd be easier if I just gained the work experience I needed (software developer here) or finished my degree and did my Master's in the EU (Computational Linguistics) and applied after that, but at least this way I definitely have permanent residence/citizenship and I'm not subject to change of rules/attitudes and instability during a hypothetical work visa residence.
Honestly though it'd be easier if I just gained the work experience I needed (software developer here) or finished my degree and did my Master's in the EU (Computational Linguistics) and applied after that, but at least this way I definitely have permanent residence/citizenship and I'm not subject to change of rules/attitudes and instability during a hypothetical work visa residence.
Adding onto the statement about working in a foreign country for citizenship, you can actually gain a self-employment visa to many countries on the condition that you have enough money to sustain yourself without government assistance, or make enough money to do so from your own business. It's not allowed to work for someone else under this type of visa, and you can't change it into a normal work visa, so you have to make all the money by yourself or already have it saved up. Plus you generally have to have like €10K-15K deposited in a government bank account that you're not allowed to withdraw from, as a guarantee that you won't be a liability to the government in case you can no longer sustain yourself – in that case your visa won't get renewed. After a few years of this you can apply for permanent residence. But realistically you could just apply for DAFT in the Netherlands, a self-employment visa in Portugal or Germany, etc. and as long as you have like 5 years of living costs saved up, on top of the required deposit, you might be able to just live your life until you eventually qualify for permanent residence. But that's only really an option if you have a ton of money, most people need to actually be able to sustain their own business.
If you have enough money you didn't need a passport..
Oh then we can do like India and switch out the currency after they abscond with a large percentage of it.
"We have ONE passport, yes. What about second passport?"
Oh, thanks for the reminder that I need to renew my passport in advance!
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