We are the only generation to acknowledge just how fucked the next generation is regardless of whether they "get a job" or not. We've also experienced enough bald-faced ignorance from previous generations that we have the humility to acknowledge that there might be things as we grow that we just won't understand, and we can tolerate it either way. Or at least that's been my experience among my age group. In fact I've never been more supportive and proud of the younger millennials and zoomers. Our racist octogenary and parent is handcuffed to the wheel and dead set on speeding the car up as fast as possible toward a firework factory and we all in the car calm and holding each other like, "well, we're fucked but they're dying soon and we might have time to hit the brakes".
Yeah that’s been my experience as well and I work for a bar. Most of my coworkers in that generation have been easier to get along with, easier to communicate with and don’t visibly panic at a “dead inside” joke. Direct contrast to my last workplace with more millennials/boomers. Ive yet to cop inter-generational shit talking from zoomers so they sure won’t get it from me. Plus look what they did with memes.
Gen Xers have always been pretty cool, as long as you don't expect them to care about much. I get the feeling that the close proximity to the Boomers really took it out of them.
I think boomers to millennials would make more sense. Boomers are so hateful and desperate to keep what was promised to them that they will hold on to it even if it costs 3 generations of people almost everything.
They were hating on us Gen Xers while we were still in grade school. Giving us shit for the participation ribbons, they imagined, designed, bought, and handed out to us
Is the inheritance of generational hatred depicted here even real? Some of the nicest people I've interacted with in my entire life were Baby Boomers. I've met shittier Gen Xers and Millennials than Baby Boomers.
And pretty much an equal amount actively fought against those policies, but were not politically effective in doing so as a result of complex historical and political factors. The Baby Boomers were and are complicated, just as everyone is, and it's kind of incorrect to treat them monolithically because as a generational cohort, the Boomers were ludicrously massive. So much so that there can actually be considered two dominant sub-cohorts within that generation. Early boomers protested Vietnam and made huge contributions to American racial, gender, reproductive, and sexual rights. Late generation Baby Boomers, sometimes referred to as "Generation Jones" grew up in an era of political malaise, and lived through the economic recession of the 1970s, Watergate, the Iranian hostage crisis, and a bunch of other things that helped to shape their more generally conservative political identities.
That's what I meant by some being dumb as rocks. They face a lot of propaganda and algorithms on the daily and it's probably real hard for them to see through.
Setting aside the polarized nature of named generations, as a class; for these are entirely arbitrary and designed to create polarization ...
There's fun theory on the "Gen X are forgotten" meme. Yes yes, you Gen Xers got shafted, here's a cookie 🍪 Please hear me out.
Most people fall on the cusps of their "generation" and Gen X is no different - in this case, you're either old enough to identify with boomers, and are shouting "snowflake millennial" with them; or you're young enough to identify with millennials, but still too old to identify with Gen Z, so you're shouting "cringe zoomer" with the millennials, they who are cuspers themselves and too old to identify with Gen Z. The quintessential Gen Xer is uncommon, but exceptionally kind. You always know when one is around though, because they are quick with a self deprecation point out that Gen X was "forgotten again." 😉
The sad thing is that many of the so-called boomers are being replaced by Gen Xers. And the millennials shouting the same inter-generational slurs will eventually take the throne of generational bully.
On the other hand, there is hope inspired by this meme - all we need to do to stop inter-generational trauma is stop perpetrating it.
Gen-X is a much smaller group than either Boomers or Millennials. It is treated differently mostly because of this. I don't think we're going to start treating Gen-X as the bully, because it just doesn't have the numbers to be an effective bully
The only millennials I give a shit about are the ones who made my life painful as they entered the working world and even then, away from the office as long as they are not trying to police speech we are chill.
I'm a millennial. I love my zoomer comrades. Even if I don't understand their stuff, I still respect their whole thing and the fact that they're inheriting a different world with different experiences than what I did, which is really all my generation was ever asking for and never received. I feel more like a significantly older sibling to gen z than a do an entire generational step older. We generally agree on a lot of the same shit. They're paying more attention to current events than I was when I was younger, and unfortunately it's kinda more necessary for them to because we didn't do a good enough job at that until maybe 5-10 years ago.
Sorry if I'm wrong and I'm the exception rather than the rule. Keep zoomin', zoomers 🤙
I don't have a problem with zoomers, but I will make fun of them for using TikTok. It's an unhealthy social environment. I know a zoomer who struggles with tiktok addiction and always does more poorly after using that app. They've been braver and kinder since they quit it.
Picking on younger generations is healthy and natural: They're still figuring stuff out and it's a good way to give some teachings while everyone has a chuckle. What's not healthy and natural is leaving them with neuroses where silent expectations, judgements, unwillingness to see their side etc. are the usual weapons: Don't carry a dagger behind your back, doubly so don't be unconscious of it, instead, open-carry a super soaker.
I'm a millennial and I'm constantly reminding them that their generation is fucked. We can joke about overreliance on screens but they actually require it to SLEEP...
I think the strength needed to fix our world is completely lacking from first world children, that they instead escape into fantasy and whimsy and shut out the larger world. They get led around by the nose by propoganda and trends, by celebrity worship and corporate marketing.
I think a lot of the millennial drama is manufactured. The generational drama in general is.
Not that generation gaps don't exist, but generally we're pretty tolerant of each other at the younger/lefter end. Even most of the disagreement around Gaza is more fueled by political position than age imo, once you allowed the newcomers to the conflict the time to get up to speed on it. Which did take a little time. It's kinda complicated.
There are definitely large numbers of people trying to manufacture conflict in pretty much every way they can think of, though. Some bots, some volunteers, probably even some paid people, world is a big place and labor can be cheap. Fortunately Lemmings generally seem to be a harder target.
I love it; GenX just outside the frame, having our TV dinner, and watching it all go down. We should just change our name to the forgotten generation, or the latchkey generation. Meh. That’ll be forgotten too.
In these comments it's just more generation vs generation BS. We're attacking the wrong group. Like 10 people have 90% of the money in the world. Someone dancing on Tiktok or being on their phone more isn't the problem.
SFM has been the patron saint of shitpost videos for decades. It has a certain je ne sais quoi that's not easily replicated, you can always tell when something has been made in SFM and I think it's become a part of the DNA of that subset of memes.
I give absurd humor, even if it seems low effort, a pass.
Imagine how gross/dumb Monty Python sketches were to the Lost Generation. How much did The Kids In The Hall rile up Boomers?
How terrible does early South Park and Beavis and Butthead look to me now that I have a couple decades to reflect on them.
Zoomers are potentially the most existentially detached generation we have seen in a while, and I'm excited to see what they create, if my old Xennial ass lives that long.
As a millennial, I do not understand Skibidy Toilet, but will embrace the weird because it is actual art in its purest form and makes people feel differently in almost every possible way when you see it; renaissance painters would have killed to see people respond to their art the way everyone in contemporary times react to this shit.
Skibidy toilet is just part of the modernist version of dada. I've (a millennial) always loved dadaism and absurdism as art and my zoomer kids make me so proud showing me their humor.
Trust me, it’s like the dumb shit we watched when we discovered the weird internet, just using half-life characters and 3d animation. If you’ve ever enjoyed “All your base”, you have no right to complain!
Another millenial here. I didn't know what it was until this thread either. After just now finishing binge-ing through all of the episodes (not that bad as they're all shorts), I'm going to recommend watching it.
It IS fucking weird and absurdist (and I don't care for the music style, so, was near mute). Honestly though, especially for something produced by a teenager, the cinematography and cohesive visual storytelling is really impressive.
I hope they continue to hone their skills and maintain their artistic interest. And, possibly, take their talent to directing.
Baby Boomers as a generational cohort are well on their way to completely dying off and generational antagonism is a tool of the capitalist class to turn the workers of different ages against one another. Be better than that. Make better memes.
There's no official time frame, so you'll get different answers. Also, generations are somewhat arbitrary delineations that are defined by things other than age, particularly major events and themes that occurred in early life.
Yeah, basically you're a millennial if you're currently in your 30's. If you're within a few years of that age, you may technically be a millennial, or even if not, you may still consider yourself a millennial, and that is fine. Generations are gradients, there is no firm start, or end, and as stated, is more about generalized experiences of your age group.
If you are 25 and want to call yourself a millennial, that's fine, if you want to call yourself a gen z/zoomer, that's fine too.
Honestly, by the time I figure out what year the current generation began, we've already moved onto the next one. So I can't really blame them for forgetting Gen X.
The concept of generations is just a social construct. These kinds of things are mostly just selection bias. If what's seen as someone from an older generation criticizes something done by a younger generation, then "generational trauma" confirmed. If an older person agrees with a younger person, it's ignored. If someone of the same age group criticizes, it's also ignored.
It's especially ridiculous when considering opinions on something as subjective and inconsequential as a meme.
While I do broadly agree, I feel it's important to note generational trauma is a real and separate concept. It just refers to the idea that trauma can be passed down from parents to children by repeating the same behavior or perpetuating the same ideas that traumatized them. This can be especially apparent in children of immigrants, religious extremists, or survivors of abuse, all for completely different reasons. It's very common and worth talking about.
I use TikTok (I know...). There, when there's rivalry, it is frequently 'gen Z' the one bullying 'millennials'. They criticize the way they use technology, their fashion sense, their attitudes, their musical tastes, etc. Studies are noticing that 'gen Z' tend more to the right-wing, so I guess there's a part of them also criticizing previous generations for being too leftists or whatever.
I use the quotation marks because this whole generational thing seems to me arbitrary and U.S.-centric. I'm in the years that are considered the transition between these two generations and I share characteristics with both. It's silly how serious we've taken this thing.
I've noticed the same thing between many generations regardless of chronology. I've also noticed it outside of the us. I think the root issue is that groups of people want other groups of people to be angry at.
Generation Z is generally alike to Millennials on political and social issues.[5] Generation Z has been reported to be "progressive and pro-government",[6] though this narrative has occasionally been challenged, particularly in Europe.
The generation is largely in favor of LGBT rights, gender equality, and access to abortion. Economically, Generation Z has a more favorable outlook on socialism than previous generations.
Gen Z varies largely by country on whether to make it easier for legal migrants to live and work in their home countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_of_Generation_Z#:~:text=Generation Z has been reported,equality%2C and access to abortion.
R.E. politics, the tail-end millennials (me) grew up during the death of education which I think is a huge factor. For every good part of our education was two dying branches of it. Funding going down, extracurriculars being cut, food quality going down, strikes in colleges for pay and I mean so, so many others. And I grew up in California where education was a heavy focus, especially for anyone who wanted to get out. But despite all the shortcomings of our education system, we had teachers who cared and some students who wanted to learn, these teachers were mostly all within a decade of my age now and so they were fairly young and politically minded. Some were Teach for America staff so they were literally just out of college, I'm sure many remember what it's like to have that mindset. We also grew up in the Obama years so we had the full range of "holy shit first black President representing us!" to "oh God he bombed Syria" which pretty heavily politicized us (and then we got Trump who appointed Betsy DeVoss as Sec. of Education which set that politicization further). I can't speak for all millennials of course but I feel like all this led to us being hyper-aware of our politics making it especially easy to see the insanity that Fox News peddles, and more recently the transition of CNN from biased but informational to Fox News lite. All in all it's a pretty strong foundation for young leftists to form some convictions.
It seems to me that Gen Z did not have these foundations by design. In 2016 with the appointment of Betsy DeVoss as Secretary of Education our school system was absolutely butchered. Fox News wasn't even under the guise of news anymore, it's just "pundit" talk shows providing "statistics" that they use to push hate. They grew up with the tail end of Obama culling any possibly early sense of hope that the millennials had. That apathy only further onset when Trump was elected, but not just apathy. Since in red states where the changes to education hit the hardest it became identity politics, now the identity of an individual has become politicized, something that has only been exacerbated by our media. IMO that's why the events of Kyle Rittenhouse went down how they did, a child was politicized by their area and family and instead of being politically minded about it they made it about some identity that doesn't exist. And nevermind the societal changes they grew up with, as they're the first generation to grow up fully inundated with technology and the Internet, getting barrages of >1 min clips that can never tell the full story.
I agree with you overall in that millennial and gen Z are closer generations than most, but I do think there are some important distinctions that likely influenced how each of these generations grow up to interact with the world. I also think that it seems likely that these polls probably won't get as many responses from certain demographics due to potential lifestyles. Someone in a liberal city may not answer the poll because they've got the city life to live, whereas someone who gets the poll and they're done with their school day and the neighbors are 40 minutes away.. sure, nothing better to do let's fill this out. So I don't think Gen Z is entirely set to be conservative, however I do think their elders have been heavily gearing up to try and brainwash them with their archaic mindset. I don't particularly see a reason why a group of highschoolers would campaign for conservatives otherwise.
The curly perm thing was big in the 90s. It's just come back around because kids have seen what their idols of the past dressed like.
It is funny to hear stories about teenage Bros that clandestinely get curly perms from hairdressers so their boys don't think they're feminine salon rats.
Sharing skibidi toilet with everyone across the Fediverse - I've been doing my part! :-P (few have ever heard of it, even fewer like it, none understand it -> it's perfect art!:-D)
My fellow millennials aren't giving younger generations the understanding that we carved when we were younger. We're turning into crochety old people.
Millennials were supposed to do better. We weren't supposed to be the mean old people blaming the kids for societal problems. But here we are, doing it.