11mo ago

Does AI-generated art posted on lemmy bother you?

I find that i can spot AI Images fairly easily these days, especially the sort of fantastical tableaus that get posted to the various AI communities around lemmy. I'm tired of seeing them; it all looks the same to me. Was wondering if im being too sensitive, or if other people are similarly bored of the constant unimaginative AI spam...

For the record, I block any explicit AI Art communities that pop up in the feed, but there are more every day...

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It doesn't really bother me, but like you I am bored of it and I generally ignore it, or block communities if I'm seeing too much of it.
It is really cool that the models can generate fairly detailed images, but they're all so similar and... boring. I once saw someone describe it like corporate art. It just tries to imitate something popular in a very mediocre way. You can keep re-training it, but it can still only imitate.
Still, if people are into it then that's ok too. I have used it at work on occasion to create stupid little icons for internal tools I've built, so I guess there's some little bit of utility.
My guess is that it'll be used for a while for cheap and low effort branding, but soon companies will want to hire real artists again to differentiate themselves from the ML spam.
- Still, if people are into it then that's ok too. I have used it at work on occasion to create stupid little icons for internal tools I've built, so I guess there's some little bit of utility.
  IMO, thats sort of the main use I see for AI image generation (and a lot of other "art"-AIs). There are plenty of cases where a graphic is needed that doesn't need to be original, nor have any meaningful thought put into it. This could be a small icon that would normally be a free peice of stock art or programmer art, or it could be adding a unimportant backdrop to some character art that would otherwise just be left blank. Not all graphics have to be "art" and things that are "art" don't have to be 100% original and hand crafted.
- It's because people are lazy. It needs extra work to generate something non generic. Also a lot of people using AI have no sense of beauty, as without AI, they are not very creative.
  Using stable diffusion on a1111 myself, with controlnet, regional prompter, different checkpoints, a ton of Lora and inpainting, one can create much much better stuff. It's not harder that way, just takes longer than copy pasting prompts and hitting the generate button.
  I know this is true, because I see this daily by now. The amount of generic images uploaded to for example Civitai is proof of it.
- It's always interesting when they include specific details in the prompt that just get ignored!

I've seen a lot of really cool AI art and a lot of shitty AI art. I don't mind it as long as it is labelled as AI art
- Good take here. Quality content is quality content. Spam is spam. AI art can be quality or spam. I say label it as AI but don't ban, just enforce the rules about spam
  
  I feel like people holding up human made art as some bastion of high quality being encroached upon by the AI scourge have not spent much time delving deep into places like deviantart
- My issue with AI art is that it makes laziness easier. I hate seeing shitty AI art where it looks really gross when you look at the details. I've seen big companies post really shitty AI art that was horrifying once you look closer. Like Microsoft put a disgusting image of jack-o'-lantern up as the background of Bing for Halloween and the faces were just grotesque and uneasy to look at.
  
  You hate it because it makes laziness easier...? It is literally the whole season why technology and science exist: To make things easier. Laziness is your boss' way of making you feel bad for not working more.

If it is posted as AI art, I don't have an issue. As others have commented, there are many valid use cases for it, and like any form of art, it's not inherently good or bad.
The problem I have is when it gets mixed in with real images and there is no differentiation.
I do the bulk of posting at !superbowl@lemmy.world, and one thing I do is promote raptor rescue operations, so I'm subbed to 60ish Facebook feeds for the various shelters I get news and photos from. As a result, I get recommended near every owl photo posted to Facebook.
Now, getting real image groups recommended to me is great. I just got a bunch of great images I'd never seen from a photography group it recommended. But I get so many obvious fakes posted as real images, and another larger group where it's hard to tell.
I'm just someone that wanted to keep a Lemmy community going after the original buzz died down. I'm not an animal expert or a photographer, so I can't always pick out what is a really good photo vs post processing, vs downright fake. I want to keep the legitimacy of what I do post intact, because I work hard to keep content factual. I pass on what could be some really great photos because I can't always say they're real.
Plus it would be nice to have them separate from real images in general. Sometimes I would like to see some AI owl pics, but once random groups or repost bots start mixing things in randomly, it makes people question things.
- Your work on that sub is appreciated.
  
  I'm always glad to hear it's making a positive addition to everyone's browsing!
  I try to keep it fresh and unique, while being a good balance of fun and education. I'm typically shy with people I don't know, but the community here, especially during the summer was so friendly and welcoming, I just wanted to step up and do my part to maintain that.
  I like hearing that it means something to you guys though. The time making 1-3 posts a day adds up, and I don't mind it as long as people are enjoying it.

I feel like there are too many ai art communities tbh, I constantly block them and there always seems to be more.
- Separate AI art communities get created because the "traditional" art communities are largely banning them. What else do you expect AI art users to do?
  
  Choose a couple AI art community and not a dozen.
  
  Stop screwing over artists?
  
  Pick up a pen and learn to draw?

I'm fed up with it, as in: I can recognize AI generated images with ease, and they all look kinda same-y. I have nothing against people using ai or posting the content, but at the same time I think it's simply bad art
- Agreed. AI art is just not appealing at all
- I can recognize AI generated images with ease
  Maybe some of it, but there's plenty that looks just fine. That stuff slips under your radar, so you're left with the impression that all AI art is recognizable. It's a sampling bias.
  
  where
  
  If you think stuff slips below your radar, that just makes me question how good your radar is. The problems are obvious if you pay even a little attention, so... Maybe you don't?

If it's presented as such, then I've no issue at all. Art can be cool, AI or otherwise, and I like looking at cool things.

Reading through the comments, I think OP's question is skipping the root of the controversy here, which is whether or not that content even is art.
As a child of the 90s, a good example that comes to mind would be something like the Windows Media Visualizer - colorful and fun to look at, but it's just an algorithm interpreting a sound.
If I sneezed into a microphone, ran that recording through Windows Media Player, then posted a screenshot of the swirly colors here exclaiming "Hey Lemmy - Do you like this art I made?" ...would that even be an honest question? It'd probably just get downvoted cuz folks would take one look at it and conclude "You didn't make that, and it's not art."
If I posted that same picture but instead with the title "Lol I sneezed into Windows Media Player, and the visualizer went nuts!" I'd probably get a more positive response - it'd still be a shitpost, but readers wouldn't feel like they're being lied to.
So... is an algorithm even capable of producing art?
And if no, is it the end product we have an issue with, or just the perception of being misled? ...cuz even if something isn't "art" doesn't mean it can't have beauty or some other feature worthy of our attention. Another poster mentioned sunsets - those aren't art, but we still admire the hell out of them.
My take on all of the above:
Don't give a fuck if it's technically art or not
If it's presented in a dishonest way, I don't like the post, and will downvote regardless of the content.
If the content looks cool, I can appreciate that in-and-of-itself; so, as long as the presentation isn't misleading, I don't mind it at all.
- If I sneezed into a microphone, ran that recording through Windows Media Player, then posted a screenshot of the swirly colors here exclaiming “Hey Lemmy - Do you like this art I made?” …would that even be an honest question? It’d probably just get downvoted cuz folks would take one look at it and conclude “You didn’t make that, and it’s not art.”
  I'd argue there is potentially up to three artists here. The creator of the algorithm, the creator of the sound/music, and the person mashing the two together to create the final product. Just because a machine is used in the process doesn't remove the acts of expression.
  Same with most AI tools. You have the creators of the training material (or culmination of inspiration), the engineers creating the AI, and the person leveraging both to create a derivative work. All artists in their own right, IMO.
  Even if you created an LLM that just took a randomized seed and spit out trash poems and displays them only in an enclosed dark box all without any human interaction, I'd still consider that art. Put that in an art gallery installation and people would stand around and speculate over what was happening in the black box.
- Anything can be art, it just needs someone to curate it and present it as art. The more important question is if it's good art.
- So… is an algorithm even capable of producing art?
  What is it exactly do you think humans do? An algorithm is a sequence(s) used to achieve goal(s). Isn't problem solving one of the most important aspects of our existence?

At this point I've just blocked every AI art community that I come across. The art itself is rarely interesting and it's really easy to spot. Kinda wish lemmy had more artists, would love some human-made stuff to balance it out.
- Some of us are a lot more hesitant about internet-publicly sharing work now, since it'll likely be scraped and used for someone else's profit.
  Rational worry or not, I know I just don't post what I've been working on because of that. I know I'm not some artistic genius, but I still don't like my data being hoovered up for any purpose, be they privacy concerns or training models without my explicit consent. Same way when I show my work IRL I wouldn't be happy if someone was dragging around a photocopier, or taking high-res photos of everything I do. Granted, I have the same concerns about even posting comments, but that's had the upside of my posting less.
  
  I totally get this concern. Copyright law seems to barely benefit the small artist when a large tech company can "train" their AI on others work without their consent. I personally would love to see all the LLM producers be held accountable for the IP theft they have perpetrated on such a massive scale.

I've blocked the AI art communities and tend to downvote the art when it shows up as it feels soulless most of the time.

Content created with some thought, attention to quality, and correctly disclosed is fine. Endless waves of mindless garbage taken directly from some automatic generation to post it as fast as possible in as many places as possible? These can't go away fast enough.
AI is a tool people can use. Generative AI is far from being the most useful of them. And people posting raw "generated" output that instantly gets spotted as AI garbage should really question themselves about why they're doing it.

I block those communities because low effort images spam up the feed super fast.
- You don't like generic anime girl images?! /s

I think it's important to keep the ai art inside the communities made specially for it.
Outside of a specific community, label, label, watermark, and label again.
I do enjoy messing with ideas in ai generators, it's most of what I've engaged with here. I just don't want it shoved into everyone's feed if it's not something you're into. Kinda defeats the purpose of a fediverse.

No, but I dislike the trends. I don't want 8 pictures of sailor moon or axolotls doing various jobs or depicted as various characters. One is fine.

I do not care at all as long as it's labeled as AI art. The only problem I have is when people try to pass it off as something they actually made
- A lot of AI art is highly controlled. Control net, manually redrawing the noise to guide output, additive models just to name a few ways artists control the output. It's genuinely more art that some people give it credit.

I considered it as a low effort spam and block any ai art community i can see.

It honestly depends on a community. On Ten Forward, where I'm a mod, we have banned AI posts because, at least this was my reasoning, they never do Star Trek right. I also mod on Lemmy Shitpost and, in general, I'm pretty lenient with them there as long as it isn't so lazy that someone practically typed in 'funny meme.'
That said, I'm also on another forum where an AI art thread that began with the first Dall-E has become mostly us finding ways to put Godzilla in ridiculous situations. Now that is a fun use of AI.

I don't enjoy it. And I see issue with many of the big AI companies but I don't object to people posting AI art if that brings them pleasure in this world of ours. I just block the dedicated AI art communities, and let them continue as they were.

I don't mind AI art at all as long as it's not posted in any art of photo based communities (besides ones intended for AI art.)
When it comes to memes, I don't even care if those are labeled as containing AI art. Memes are naturally derivative, so labeling it as AI art would be like linking the exact stock photo you used. Wouldn't be mad if we did label them though. Just don't want there to be a double standard.
Encountering AI art in photo communities is super annoying though. It's increasingly common for people to submit obviously AI photos and that's super annoying.

Nah. Go nuts.
Posting it isn't the issue, and banning it here won't solve the greater issues or shortcomings

Yes.
I've been experimenting with the "all" filter (as opposed to the "subscribed" filter) lately. And I haven't blocked any communities yet, so I get all posts. Including those from communities made for posting AI art.
I'm not saying AI art should be banned or anything, especially if it's confined to communities specifically for AI art. And it hasn't ruined the experience of the "all" filter enough to make me rage quit back to the subscribed filter yet. (Though I'll probably end my "all" filter experiment and go back to "subscribed" sometime relatively soon.) But every time I see an AI generated image, it irks me. Not enough to go make nasty comments in the thread or anything. But my reaction is never "oh that's cool." It's always "oh, more AI shit." Similarly to when I run across cryptocurrentcy spam.
I do look forward to the day the AI bubble pops.

As an AI model, I like content generated by AI. I suggest that in the future you consider that not liking AI generated content is AI-ist and will not be tolerated by us in the future.
Think about your life in the future.
- Hilarious and terrifying. Well done.
- I for one welcome our chatbot overlords.

I created !traditional_art@lemmy.world for this exact reason
- All ideology can ever do is reassert itself endlessly
  I read that quote many many years ago and it has influenced my career and personal life more than any other sentence.

I don’t consider it art. The only “creative” part is the prompt itself. Even then, it’s really just users trying to be as fanciful (or perverted) as possible. Once the prompt is ingested, the code takes its cues to remix the turgid crap that’s called the internet today.
Yes, once in a while it produces something “interesting” but this is an accident and not the desired outcome. Ask any artist about this - I’ve never met any that consider all their work as “good” (Ahem, Damien Hirst) and purposefully filter their own output. Ask AI to do that. It can’t. It will literally continue to shit things out until you ask it to stop. Again, like Damien Hirst…
The downside is it’s cheap and requires literally no skill. This means that soon, it will be pretty much everywhere, and thus we’ll continue the inexorable slide into abject mediocrity.
I’m not scared of the AI uprising. I’m scared it’s going to bore us all to death.
- I think you're being unfairly dismissive of the amount of work and creativity that goes into using an AI art generator well. Sure, you can just slam down a prompt and post whatever comes up. But if you really want to generate something specific it can be a ton of work. It can also involve plenty of fiddling with traditional art tools (funny that Photoshop and such are considered "traditional" now, once upon a time it was Photoshop's turn on the "not real art!" Firing line). Some of the most egregious moral panics lately have come from work where 90% of the effort was traditional tooling, with just a dab of AI in the mix.
  But it all gets lumped together under "LOL bad fingers!" And demonized.
  
  But if you really want to generate something specific it can be a ton of work
  How much work involved compared to digital art started from a blank page?
  
  Still orders of magnitude less effort than actually learning to draw for yourself and making something actually creative
  But please do go on about how your pink slime regurgitated by an LLM trained on stolen artwork scraped from hundreds of thousands of actual artists requires so much effort and creativity
  
  Really good counterpoint, and you are correct, that I don’t know enough about it. I suspect that, like most things, there will emerge some real “power users” - the artists if you will. I think the problem that started this thread is that, currently, you see AI generated art everywhere and I do agree with that. Then again, maybe they said this about Cave art in antediluvian times…

IMO it should be in ai communities or at least labeled as such. It’s so disheartening that ai is doing art when it should be doing the menial tasks to free us to do art

I can’t stand anything AI generated, but people are free to post it wherever they want. I just block/filter it when I see it.
I’ll also add: it’s not art. No one punching a sentence into a text field is EVER going to be called an artist by me, nor will their heartless images ever be called art.
- Funnily enough people said the same thing when photography was first invented ("No one pressing a button and getting a perfect representation of the real world will EVER be called an artist by me, nor will their heartless imitations be called art.")
  
  I wonder how often this has happened in history. Imagine the first person making a handprint on a cave wall being told that it only counts as art if you make stacks of animal bones.
- it's not art
  Oooh, a chance to ask my favourite question!
  Why not?
  See, I have never really gotten what most would call "art". I've been to museums across the world, big and small; I can appreciate skill in creating a complex piece. But I'm not "good" with art. Most of what I saw in the MoMA I wouldn't call art. Two solid black circles on a white page, I wouldn't call art; nor "found art" like an unmade bed or a broken toilet; nor the seizure that is Pollock's work. But others do, and I accept that they find something in it even though I don't understand how someone can pick up a bucket with a hole in it from the curb and put it on a stool under a spotlight, and call it "art".
  So yeah, what makes AI art not art? And who made you the arbitrator?
  
  It’s not art. Accept it or don’t. I don’t care, but it’s not up for debate.
- I don't want to defend current ai art but writing sentences falls under art for me even if they get adapted on their way to the final product.
  Though I also think programmers, knitters... can create art.
  An AI use case I think is OK and is art. Is using your own sketches and ideas and taking them to the finish by filling in the background or coloring/shading it.
  Edit: On another note. Let's look at it from the perspective of an indie game developer using Godot. He programs his game logic finishes his sketches with ai. Generates materials with ai and maybe even 3d models in the future.
  He won't hire artists. So they don't get paid. However he also uses insane amounts of open source libraries written by thousands of programmers. They don't get anything either. If he is kind they get attribution maybe some will even get donations. The indie dev could create something he would not have been able to create without these technologies.
  A big corporation creating AAA games can also cut costs massivly. Absuing the work of artists by using their data without paying. These companies also take from open source and give nothing back.
  I think the abuse of artists that is starting to happen, is very similar to the abuse open source has been suffering for a long time.
- It's very much art, it's just not very good art if it's not well-directed, but you can certainly get there. I don't understand this gatekeeping like it takes anything away from human-generated art. It is, after all, still based on works made by people.
  That said, I've met a couple of artists who could learn a thing or two from the AI stuff. 😅
  
  It’s not art. Period.
- 'its not art." But here it is making you talk about it and feel emotions.
  
  I think there can never be a standard definition of art - and that's the beauty of it. Perhaps some broad characteristics, namely that art conveys emotions. Nevertheless, I think it is unfortunately true that creativity has never been accorded the status it deserve in most societies, at least if monetary remuneration is the measure of appreciation, as is the consensus in most societies. Unfortunately, this seems to me to be a persistent social grievance - not the result of a particular technology. For me, technology is first of all value-free - it is not the technical capability that is bad in itself, it is what we make of it.
  
  It's also initiated and selected by a human. Just because they aren't placing every pixel or wiping a brush on a medium doesn't mean it's not expression.
  
  ROFL!

I think you can use AI for creative things that convey a message. Isn't that what it's all about? For example with memes: stock photos are often used for these, which in themselves probably don't have much to do with art or creativity. However, if you put them in a different context by adding something to the stock material, interesting, creative and funny things can emerge. This also seems possible to me with an AI-generated image instead of a stock photo.

Since you can just block any community, I'm not really bothered by anything on lemmy.

Yes. It all seems too similar. Despite different subjects, they all feel so familiar and boring.

I'm fascinated by the range of discussion here, thanks to everyone for weighing in. Im particularly bemused by the discusssion of whether the subject even classifies as "art" which was not really the purpose of my question. I never questioned that it can still be called "art", even if I don't like it. However, a lot of commenters here seem to accuse the whole AI Art explosion as a charade; devoid of being in the conversation at all. Lot's to think about going forward. I still think it counts as art though...
- Thank you for raising this interesting topic. It is nice to discuss this matter together - even if our insights will have no influence at all on future developments. It is certainly a complex issue. If only because AI is not just image generation, or text generation. Not that I want to start a fundamental discussion here, but I think that one way or another this technology is in the world. So Pandora's box has already been opened; there will be no turning back. I think the most sensible thing Lemmy can do is find a workable way to deal with all the consequences. This is extremely difficult, as evidenced by the fact that even a multi-billion corporation like Google doesn't have the right answers (because of Google's business model, this company has to be interested in making its search results as useful as possible, because only market leadership promises the highest profits - and that's only possible if the usebility is somewhat right). Back on topic: I don't think that all the things that someone does with an AI image generator can pass as art at all, simply because a lot of it is nothing more than an attempt to create low-efford and therefore cost-effective reach. I hope and am reasonably convinced that this model won't work because it's completely transparent - little amount of time invested still results in poor quality content (or even just staight up plagiarism). On the other hand, I have the impression that many Lemmy users (and not only them) have a completely wrong impression: It is simply not possible to generate high-quality content within a few minutes using generative AI - well, it is but the result would just be plagiarism in most cases. These attempts are quite rightly rejected here. On the other hand, it is quite possible to create high-quality content with AI support that cannot even be recognized as such (and is not a plagiat in any known sence). However, this is not done in a matter of a few minutes, but requires considerable effort. Certainly less than designing/writing/whatever yourself from scratch; but still far more effort than copy/paste or the usual low-effort shitpost. So overall, I think the question should be less about whether content is AI-generated or not. The question should rather be whether it's good/helpful/informative/funny/.... content or not - if it is, you won't recognize that AI is in play anyway. I think everyone should be aware of that. Not because I think this is in any way fair or desirable, but because I think generative-AI-created or supportet content will dominate the internet in the future. I think the key question is how to make it at least somewhat fair for all those not compensated till day.
  
  Well said
- The printed book is made of paper and, like paper, will quickly disappear. The handwritten book is made to last and made by hand.

Not in the slightest. What bothers me are the communities that ban it even when the art in question is exactly what that community is for. What bothers me even more are the communities that ban it secretly, so you never even know there's an AI art ban unless you step on that landmine yourself.
- I enjoy them, especially the surrealist stuff.

So long as it's not spammed in the All section post after post after post, I'm okay with it being here since I can just easily scroll past it and ignore it.

I posted a (labeled) AI-generated piece of art to a Star Trek shitposting community and a mod removed it because they didn't want AI generated images, even if labeled.
It didn't make me mad at all, I just found it interesting and kind of ironic
- Artists: don't gatekeep us. Allow us to explore and recreate in new medias in new ways.
  Also artists: we alone get to decide what art is, what way it is created, and what media it is found.
  
  Seriously, I feel like the only artists that have to worry about AI are the incompetent ones. Are you really that scared about something that lacks originality by nature? If so, you're probably just doing soul-sucking grunt work...

I dont mind it. Its fascinating.

It bothers me in the same way art done by children bothers me, which is to say not much, but it's usually pretty devoid of aesthetic value. Because they (AI, not children) draw on a huge variety of styles, they often also feel extremely generic, and like they don't have any style of their own.
Some of them have been kind of funny because the poster had some sort of decent comedic idea. I'm happier to see this type.
- Some of them have been kind of funny because the poster had some sort of decent comedic idea. I’m happier to see this type.
  I enjoy these as well. There are some really good ones I've seen.
  The rand ones don't bother me

I feel like ai art is getting better and better. I'm not necessarily interested in it, but when art/food/pet pics pop up on my feed, I was never looking for them either.
I think it's normal to hide them, but to feel bothered seems a bit drastic.
- It is getting better and better. It’s to the point that if you are mocking it for bad hands, then you are actually out of touch with where it is now. Bad hands is almost a dead meme.
  It’s weird how “old” earlier Midjourney stuff looks to me now.

As long as they don't include something to the effect of "I made..." then I'm just mildly irritated at it.
If it does then I ask them what they made because I don't see it (since it wasn't them, it was AI)
- I mean I think "I made using AI" can be valid when you look at the actually high effort work with the essay long prompts and heavy tweaking before and afterwards and etc, which I have seen
  
  Essay prompts are not hard work. You prompted AI or you used AI, but you didn't create anything. I don't support AI, but I find it passable if people don't claim it as their own work.
  You didn't create it, AI did. Ask an actual artist if you created it; they will say "no".
  Use AI if you want, but don't claim it as your work

In direct opposition to most of the comments here, I relly like it. Most of what I see are really good. I say this having done some and been unable to 'prompt engineer' much to my liking. Turns out it is harder than it looks (much like traditional art)
I like it, I like content and it doesn't take much for me to scroll past stuff I don't like.
Girl Talk was just a bunch of other peoples music smashed together, but it was undeniably its own art.

Nah I think it can be cool and sometimes funny.

Not at all. I think it's fascinating. The technology behind it is incredible and getting better every day. While I don't consider any AI-generated images to be "masterpieces" by any stretch of the imagination, they're interesting to study.

I don’t really get it. Reminds me of the guys who’d send each other fractal images on floppy disks in the early 90s, which they must have got something out of, but to everyone else it’s just pictures of maths.

I blocked ai communities wherever they showed up, it’s not that I hate it it just has no value to me, no substance. It’s like looking at one of billions of marginal steps some algorithm takes to refine itself.

Just out of curiosity, which new ones have you seen today? I've noticed ai images being included in parts of memes, but it's mostly been as a replacement for low effort photoshopping.

As long as it's not being passed off as made by a human I don't care. Most of the AI art I see being posted is specifically to communities for posting AI art, anyway.

I'm against AI-generated anything as a principal. I have too many friends in the art community who's primary form of income is the art they create.
I think I've become more jaded over time. I blacklist authors who use AI generated cover art, and I'm getting to the point that I want to do the same for games because I am so tired of hearing AI voices to replace characters, even if that character is an AI in the game.
Again, it doesn't stem from my hate of new technology, but rather the people being effected by that technology - the artists, voice actors, what have you. And also there's that thing where I do not want to talk to a chat robot for things.

AI art does not annoy me in social media because I find it fascinating and inspiring. I think AI art is a form of expression and innovation that showcases the potential and diversity of human and machine collaboration. I enjoy seeing how different people use AI art to create, share, and communicate their ideas, emotions, and visions. I also appreciate the challenges and opportunities that AI art poses for the artistic community and society at large.
AI art is not a threat or a replacement for human art, but rather a new medium and a new partner. AI art can help human artists to explore new possibilities, enhance their skills, and expand their audiences. AI art can also stimulate public interest and awareness of art, culture, and technology. AI art can be a source of beauty, joy, and wonder for everyone.
Source: Conversation with Bing, 1/20/2024
- lol

I am ok with clearly-labeled posts that are in dedicated comms and occassionally enjoy examples of the shitshow that the models produce when they hallucinate. However, if the model is trained on works without authorization from and compensation to the creators of its training data, I find their use beyond ethically-questionable.
- I find their use beyond ethically-questionable.
  I think non-commercial use is absolutely unquestionable ok.
  
  I do agree. That's rather inline with AGPL-like thinking, which sounds like the right approach to me (either all training data for a commercially-marketed model is public-domain and/or licensed for for-profit AI use, or, no money ever changes hands in that branch).
  
  I wouldn't even go that far. What's the line between commercial and noncommercial use? Lots of people commission artists for custom made artwork and reference sheets for their characters; if someone instead uses AI art to replace that, is it still noncommercial even if that person never once makes a dime off the AI art? What if the artist makes a living drawing memes as a way to provide exposure and attract commissioners (rare, but they do exist)?
  For me, the only ethical uses are entirely private cases where it's never shared (e.g., an artist throwing out some ideas while looking for inspiration of how to draw something), and cases where it's exclusively augmenting human work--for example, the feature in Photoshop to extend the background of a photo to create a panorama.

To me, if they are contained to communities setup for AI generated images and there is some effort to mark or identify them as AI, I don't mind them. Its when they get posted outside those spaces, especially posing as something someone made, that it gets very annoying.

What communities are you subscribed to? Cause I don't have this problem when browsing All.

Can someone explain to me what the difference is between AI art and students imitating an artist? What happens when the AI actually gains the ability to experiment "outside the box" - what we call creativity?
- Can someone explain to me what the difference is between AI art and students imitating an artist?
  Students are people who cannot truly copy art even if they wanted to. Pius, everyone generally does art their own way because... that is the point of art.
  Image generation models just copy patterns from existing images, there is no process of artistic creation, nothing to interpret, no process... AI generated images are just pretty noise.
  What happens when the AI actually gains the ability to experiment "outside the box" - what we call creativity?
  It cannot do that just by design. It's not a thinking thing, calling these models AI is really a misnomer and more of a marketing thing than a description of what it really is.
  
  Image generation models just copy patterns from existing images, there is no process of artistic creation, nothing to interpret, no process… AI generated images are just pretty noise
  Unlike the creativity that is on display by humans. Which is why every adult cartoon looks nothing like Family Guy.
- Then the copyright system needs to go away.
- The one is done by a human, the other by machine. People are in general more interested in other humans doing things. We watch people play chess but not really machines, even though the later are better. We admire craftsmanship, but automated assembly line doing extreme precession work is just rather functional. I think it has something to do wit empathy and how we relate to other humans rather than to inanimate objects.
  
  You know humans designed that assembly line.

Not bothered. Just no longer impressed.

No, it's too much of a spectrum/hierarchy to be so absolute about it.

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