Hillary Clinton warns against Trump 2024 win: ‘Hitler was duly elected’
Hillary Clinton warns against Trump 2024 win: ‘Hitler was duly elected’
Former first lady and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the wreckage from another Trump presidency would be “almost unimaginable” and likened the former president who beat her in the 2016 ele…
But he... wasn't. He lost the presidency in 1932 to Paul Von Hindenburg (53% to 37%. not even particularly close) who later appointed Hitler under pressure to the channclorship (which was an appointed role) in 1933. Hindenburg died in January of 1934 and Hitler de facto merged the presidency and chancelorship into one office (Fuhrer). The story isn't "regular people put Hitler in power", it's "broken legislative systems are vulnerable to facists".
it’s “broken legislative systems are vulnerable to facists”.
She would know all about that. Bernie was killing Trump in the polls. Hilary was neck and neck with Trump.
The DNC cast their votes for who was going to General. A winner was announced. Everyone started to go to the announcement and for the only time in DNC history, the announcement was rescinded and everyone was broken up into different groups. Hilary staffers were observed scurrying around between groups. Then everyone was forced to vote again. THEN Hilary was declared the candidate going to General.
It was all live tweeted. It was all loudly publicized, but noone seemed to notice. Noone seemed to care.
Of course she is now going to make a historically inaccurate statement that casts actual democracy in a bad light.
That hag needs to stay under her rock.
I mean, there was a court case...
DNC's lawyers used the legal defense that they're a private party and can run anyone they want in the general, and because of that, it doesn't matter if they influence a primary election.
They flat out said primary elections are just a performative act, and the judge agreed with them.
Don't forget that there are many, many appointed superdelegates who each have around 8,000 voting power each.
There were 618 pledges from DNC superdelegates in the 2016 nomination, equaling 4,944,000 voting power (meaning votes equivalent to ~5 million regular voters in the DNC). These are not delegates assigned to states but to specific groups and people in positions in the DNC itself.
For reference, 16,917,853 of the popular vote itself went to Hilary Clinton and 13,210,550 went to Bernie Sanders according to this eye cancer of a website. If all of the DNC superdelegates voted for Bernie Sanders, he would have won the 2016 DNC primaries, even though the DNC voters regardless that the actual regular DNC voters voted for Hilary.
Anyway, I'm only making a point that system was broken.
The DNC did reform this afterwards, in that, if the first ballot doesn't have an absolute majority then superdelegates will cast votes but otherwise, cannot (as a superdelegate).
Not sure entirely about that. Nazis were still a party that held up to 44% of seats in the reichstag (before they were all nazi) with like 6 different parties. Hitler wasn't isolated. The population voted for him and his party. Hindenburg didn't like Hitler but essentially passed away at a terrible time and Hitler outplayed Papen who was meant to keep him in check. Hindenburg felt he had to since they had the closest to a majority in the reichstag.
"In the end, the president, who had previously vowed never to let Hitler become chancellor, appointed Hitler to the post at 11:30 am on 30 January 1933, with Papen as vice-chancellor.[91] While Papen's intrigues appeared to have brought Hitler into power, the crucial dynamic was in fact provided by the Nazi Party's electoral support, which made military dictatorship the only alternative to Nazi rule for Hindenburg and his circle. [Sauce]
You really expect a politician to tell the truth, especially when it comes to history? She and the rest of the US political elite for decades now are just mouthpieces for interest groups, mostly military groups who make money with wars abroad. Together with the media, they sell you wars abroad, while waving any currently popular flag at home for votes. The US elections are so loud, you don't hear the sounds of pain and misery those events create abroad, especially in Middle East.
After the reports of Israeli invasion in Gaza, the first smile I saw in media was that of Hillary. When the wars and killings across northern Africa and Middle East started during the Arab Spring, her smile was the most prominent one for months.
Every time this slime of a human being crawls out of a crack in the wall in Washington somewhere, a war is either being prepared or needs justifying for the american voters. All that with a smile, while the cameras are rolling.
Manufactured concent is a removed.
That's super interesting. I did not know that
I get it, but this take fucking worries me, dawg. The last time the Democrats played the "I don't have to try and appeal to you because the other guy is Hitler, lol" card, 'Hitler' won. It's even a little on the nose that this is coming from Hillary. I'm worried that they're falling into the same intellectually and politically bankrupt trap as in 2016, that they're aware that they don't have a meaningful platform besides "we're not republicans", and that they've somehow convinced themselves that this is enough. The republicans of 2020 and 22 also had that same absence of platform, absence of appeal, and just trying to coast on party brand, and look where that got them. Shit is on fire, we don't have time for these dumb fuck games, let alone for Trump to win again. C'mon guys, don't fuck this up.
They're always going to fuck up. That's what they do. Most of them belong in retirement communities yet for whatever reason think they have what it takes to run a government. They're disconnected from reality yet expect to appeal to regular people, who have to suffer in the reality they've created?
Expect more shitshows.
When she called them deplorables they ate it up. She just needs to not stick her nose in.
It’s even a little on the nose that this is coming from Hillary. I’m worried that they’re falling into the same intellectually and politically bankrupt trap as in 2016, that they’re aware that they don’t have a meaningful platform besides “we’re not republicans”, and that they’ve somehow convinced themselves that this is enough.
The irony is that... progressives absolutely do have a solid platform that people generally support. by people, I'm excluding Hilary's and Biden's Corporate Donors. Sorry, I don't have to respect Citizens United.
It's not an accident. The country is moving left, and the right-wing Democrats are afraid of losing control of the party. They almost did, twice. They don't take the "the other guy is Hitler" rhetoric seriously, themselves. They aren't worried about losing their power if the Republicans win the Whitehouse, or even both branches of Congress, because it's all one big club, and they won't be kicked out, as long as they go along to get along, but they are terrified that a leftist rise will take the reigns of the Democratic party from them, and then they really will be out of power.
The thing those people don't understand is that they think democracy is a goal onto itself, instead of a means to an end. A good chunk of the population would happily get rid of democracy in order to have someone in power 'who can just get stuff done'. Especially since said democracy is ridiculously unresponsive to the will of the people.
Compare the polling on the Gaza conflict compared to what members in the house are saying, for example. Or any other super popular thing (legalising weed, taxing the wealthy, not running a global empire that constantly gets involved in wars,...)
And, for the record, Hillary, Hitler never got over 50% of the vote, it was other, so-called democratic parties that gave him the Chancellor job. They could've created a different governing coalition, but they thought they could control him.
Dems lose because dems gamble. They always pick some rando as VP instead of the person who got the second most votes in the primary. They should’ve gotten rid of the electoral college when Gore lost. They keep running and electing excruciatingly old people who might die or go senile in the middle of everything (Biden, Feinstein, Pelosi, etc.).
They’re gonna fuck it up.
Honestly, I truly believe that both Democratic and Republican politicians benefit from all the bullshittery going on - so of course they’ll actually do nothing to improve the situation for America’s citizens. As long as they get money and they get paid, they’ll say and do whatever the fuck they can, including fucking things up for us.
Probably not much better across the pond, but I am finding myself more and more looking up how to become a UK citizen because at least they have less zany shit going on from what I can tell.
both Democratic and Republican politicians benefit from all the bullshittery going on
They absolutely don't. They just have a very short term view because of reelection cycles and fundraising needs. You'd think their capitalist masters would also realize this increasing polarization and dissatisfaction with the status quo is going to make the line go down, but nobody ever accused economic liberals of actually being aware when the noose was tightening on their necks.
You had me in the first half until you brought up the UK. The UK? Seriously?!
I get this, but at the same time, we are also seeing a ton of fallout from those 4 years that's all currently in the spotlight, which is something we didn't have in 2016. So despite what she is saying, I think a lot of people are actually seeing the mess, and at least some people are switching sides due to it all. Hoping that the mix of everything really does help next year, last night's elections were a good sign of it if you ask me but we know they now have a year to pivot and try to change. Thankfully, most of the people in their own party can't even agree on much either.
Hillary is toxic to the brand. The Democrats would be wise to keep her at arms distance.
It's a little sad because decades of right-wing anti-Hillary propaganda not only proved effective, but it noticeably altered Hillary into this jaded cynic completely lacking in vision or idealism. I'm not a huge Hillary fan, but the vast majority of the hate is completely manufactured outrage. That being said it doesn't change what you said being valid.
You can see them trying with AOC, but I suspect it won't yield the same results.
She did a good enough job maligning herself, she didn't need the Republicans to do it for her. The entire DNC primary was a shitshow of Clinton debasing the primaries and showing what she would do for power.
but it noticeably altered Hillary into this jaded cynic completely lacking in vision or idealism
it noticeably altered hillary clinton into hillary clinton
There's a bunch of stances she's taken I view negatively but admit there's nuance.
Then there's DOMA. Anyone on that let it be known their principles for marginalized groups is only "as convenient", which means support of them should also only be as is convenient or useful. She is no longer convenient or useful.
Someone couldn't find a photo of her looking less...Palpatine-y?
You're welcome to try, but it might take awhile....
I could try wrestling a grizzly bear too but I find it's better to criticize from a distance.
Give in to your hate. Feel the powah!
How the Hillary Clinton campaign deliberately "elevated" Donald Trump with its "pied piper" strategy
Edit: Sorry, downvoters; it is what it is.
An email recently released by the whistleblowing organization WikiLeaks shows how the Clinton campaign and Democratic Party bear direct responsibility for propelling the bigoted billionaire to the White House.
In its self-described “pied piper” strategy, the Clinton campaign proposed intentionally cultivating extreme right-wing presidential candidates, hoping to turn them into the new “mainstream of the Republican Party” in order to try to increase Clinton’s chances of winning.
Ah, the real reason people hate WikiLeaks. It exposed the truth, but rather than focus on the truth people focused on the messenger.
My brother in OSRS, they had emails from the Republican Party as well, but didn't release them because they said there was nothing interesting in them. I don't disagree at all that Clinton's strategy was inappropriate, but there's plenty of legitimate reasons to dislike WikiLeaks. Ironically, there's a lack of transparency on them. They should've released the GOP emails.
WikiLeaks has a problem when we need a WikiLeaks for WikiLeaks.
It's not just Trump either they've used the strategy for many insane Republican primary candidates.
It exposed the truth, but rather than focus on the truth people focused on the messenger.
In this case, the media also focused on the messenger and gave Hillary a pass on the actual contents of those e-mails.
Hilarious mistake.
I suppose this would have been effective if even a fraction of the Republican voterbase was reasonable.
Hilarious mistake.
The mistake wasn't elevating Trump, but running in the first place.
There's a very real chance she'd have lost to Ted Cruz or Jeb Bush in a non-Trump national campaign, simply because she was a weak candidate with an awful reputation in the Midwest. There's a reason she struggled in the primary, both in 2008 and 2016, against a couple of political outsiders despite having an enormous financial and name-recognition advantage.
You can't win the Presidency without Michigan, Ohio, and Wisconsin. And Hillary was never going to win those states, under any alternative opponent. She lost Pennsylvannia, ffs. No viable Democrat loses Pennsylvania.
I'd like to say Trump would be too stupid to pull off a Hitler but the more I learn about Hitler the more I learn that he was by no means a bright man.
What you mean someone who wraps up their entire identity into hating minorities is a moron?
No, really?
I love how most of the comments here are about how much everyone hates Hillary rather than about what she actually said. I get it that people hate her, but let's be real folks; Trump is the only relevant clear and present danger here. removed about Hillary seems pretty pointless at this point.
I hear you. What she said is correct. The thing is, this person is so unlikeable that there's no way she can help. No matter how sharp you are, or how good of an elected official you'll be (and I do think she would have been extremely good at her job if she was elected (I did vote for her)), you must have charisma to be effective in politics.
I honestly believe in my heart that if she paid millions for widespread TV ads with her saying "do not vote for Donald Trump" it would help him.
What she said is correct.
But it's not though. The sentiment is in the right place but she got her facts wrong.
Again, you are focusing on her rather than on what she actually said. That's what I find so telling and unfortunate. Are we really so shallow and politically inept that we can't hear a message simply because we dislike the messenger?
It seems like you are telling me yes, that's exactly how shallow and politically inept we are.
If so, that sucks, especially since you are almost certainly correct.
A Hillary win would have saved the Supreme Court. Now we are on precarious ground. There was no disadvantage in her winning
Let's face it - had she won, things would be way better than they are, and we wouldn't be in the constant fascist danger we are now.
Shut the fuck up you old hag, you and your party got him elected by running ads supporting him and fucking Bernie in the primaries. Why can't she just fucking die already
Yeah, I don't want to see or hear about Hilary Clinton anymore. She pushed her way in and fucking lost to Trump.
Remember when they rigged the primaries and were like “yeah, we can do whatever we want. This isn’t the REAL election yet!” And then they never got court time? Do we really have a choice on who to vote for?
The best thing Hilary Clinton can do is shut the fuck up and go away
All the negative anti-Hillary comments in this thread aside, please vote responsibly in 2024.
We cannot afford another 2016 situation again.
Tell that to the democratic party that is insisting on putting up a senile old man as their candidate...
“You know, I hated losing, and I especially hated losing to him because I had seen so many warning signals during the campaign,” Clinton said.
Oh you did? Then maybe you should have fucking campaigned like you were running against a fascist instead of strolling casually to your inevitable coronation.
Maybe a politicker who brags about being mentored by Henry Kissinger, a war-criminal whose record matches that of Heinrich Himmler himself, shouldn't be referencing Hitler.
"matches that of Heinrich Himmler", you mean the head of the SS and one of the main people behind the holocaust?
Have you ever considered that your life, and life in general would be better if you didn't have such absurd and shrill opinions?
There is one way in which Himmler and Kissinger differs... Himmler at least had the backbone to go and witness the results of his policies in person - specifically, the Babi Yar massacre in Ukraine. Kissinger never did go see for himself the gargantuan atrocities he had "achieved" in Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Bangladesh, Timor, and Chile.
Oh, I forgot the other way Kissinger and Himmler differs... Himmler was hanged - Kissinger got off scott-free. So there's that.
Unfortunately, the American education system just kinda gives up teaching history after 1945. Otherwise, you might be more familiar with the US State Department sponsored coups and subsequent genocides in Latin America, the Middle East, Africa, and the Pacific Rim over the subsequent 40 years.
Kissinger absolutely was administering mass arrests and executions in US client states, from the overthrow of democracies in Iran and Egypt to the massacres of dissidents in Jakarta and Rio de Janeiro and Santiago to the arming of the Khmer Rouge and subsequent bombings in Laos and Cambodia. Say what you will about Himmler, but he only really had the reigns of a mid-sized European industrial power for a decade. Kissinger was instrumental in steering truly nightmarish foreign policies on an international scale for four times as long.
And when you look at how folks like Kerry and Clinton and Blinken consistently turn to the Kissinger playbook to advance US foreign policy in the modern day, he's got even more blood on his hands by proxy than that.
I guess you're one of those people who day that Hamas is exactly the same as, and has been doing the exact same as Hitler?
Nuanced, very nuanced...
Hamas is exactly the same as, and has been doing the exact same as Hitler?
A small paramilitary organization operating in occupied territory is doing the exact same as the Chancellor of a European industrial powerhouse?
I'm always a bit surprised when some terminally online guy tries to give people in Hamas this much credit.
And yet, you have no problem using electronics built with slave labor.
Does someone have the comic?
Then maybe they shouldn't run with a genocide supporting senior citizen as a candidate
I was more caught on Hillary implying she's less popular than Hitler.
You're gonna have to be way more specific, that's literally all of them.
Biden was my last choice in the 2020 primary, because I knew that whoever we chose would run for reelection. We were picking the President for the next 8 years, and anti-Trump conservatives out voted younger left wing voters in the primary. Even if Warren did endorse Bernie, Biden still would have won with the other candidates' endorsements. Without the pandemic, Biden might have lost, while Bernie could have pulled enough support from the base to stand a similar chance as Biden. Trump's response to the pandemic pissed off enough conservatives to give Biden the win, but it also could have given every other Democratic candidate, including Bernie, the win.
However, this doesn't mean Bernie wouldn't have drawbacks as president. The mainstream media would certainly pull a Jeremy Corbyn on Bernie. The base and everyone on Lemmy would stand by him, but he would get torn apart by MMM for doing the progressive things Biden has done, and compared to Trump for even politely disagreeing with mainstream Democrats. If was principled and did everything right, he might pull a good amount of MMM watchers to his side, but many would lap up the propaganda.
Every mistake made by Bernie would cost him dearly, while Biden has the luxury of making way more errors because he was the most conservative candidate in the primaries. Left wing Democrats aren't surprised by Biden's lameness, while conservative Democrats put up with every progressive thing Biden does because every other Democrat would have done the same or worse. Most of the MMM doesn't call Biden radical for doing progressive things, and left wing Biden voters are generally pleased that he has been more left wing than expected.
Biden's biggest failures have been where he sucks in ways you didn't expect he would. Fucking around with Manchin for months and doing nothing on immigration are huge failures. He claimed to be a deal maker, yet he tried to negotiate with someone who never intended to budge. Obama's immigration strategy only lost him support, but Biden seems to think that he could avoid motivating the anti immigration crowd. It didn't work for Obama and Hillary against Trump, and it definitely won't work for him against Trump. The most conservative Democrats would still vote for him if he tried his hardest on immigration, as neoliberals actually like immigration for its economic benefits.
In short, Bernie would have an uphill battle against the media, while Biden's mediocrity shouldn't surprise anyone on the left. 2020 was where Democrats could have gotten someone better, and now we unfortunately have to live with it.
Don't forget rapist who fucked over unions and owes me 600 dollars and finished the wall
And don't forget about how they used covid as nothing but a football and followed Trump's exact plan for it as soon as they were in charge of telling businesses they had to let sick people stay home. Democrats have more covid deaths on their hands than republicans now.
While I'm not her fan she is right and this exactly why the current trend on. The internet of voting 3rd party is dangerous, since the Republican are not playing in good faith and they will not split their vote.
No, she is 100% incorrect. Hitler was not elected. He famously staged a coup d'etat.
She's about 60% incorrect. The nazi party won a majority in the reichstag via normal electoral means before hitler was appointed chancellor by then-president Paul von Hindenburg. It was only after a series of electoral victories and in the anticommunist bloodlust that followed the reichstag fire that a state of emergency was declared and the coup began in earnest. I'll give her that she's mostly wrong because what she literally said is untrue, but because it's an oversimplification of what happened and her broader point, that nazis used electoralism before they used brute force, is true.
Yes people should vote for Biden over Trump, because Trump is the biggest threat of our lifetime. But instead of policing people online whenever Biden makes shit policy choices, maybe spend that energy pressuring Joe into doing things voters care about.
It's like we all fear Biden is giving up, continuing his on his strategy of alienating voters and liberals want anyone to blame it on besides Biden.
Why are things Hilly say relevant?
She is (or at least one of) the head of a massive informal organization that bridges massive formal organizations like Emily's List, Planned Parenthood, the DNC itself, and so on.
When a president wins an election for example, they have to get their staff from somewhere right? There has to be large numbers of people who can just drop what they're doing based on the outcome of an election and spend the next several years doing that instead. These people staff NGOs in the orbit of the political ruling classes of these parties. Hillary Clinton is one of the most powerful people in the country because she can decide who gets the best jobs in these organizations. She can get journalists fired, she can get ambassadors hired. That's her power.
Obama beat her and still had to deal with her to the point of setting her up to run in 2016. She didn't join his organization he became a 'board member' of hers with a small cadre of his own people.
She is a former First Lady. Americans tend to listen to their first ladies when they choose to speak out, at least as much as any other celebrity. I remembering hearing plenty over the years from Lady Bird Johnson or Barbara Bush after they time in the White House was over. Hillary was also directly involved in politics after her time as First Lady, so i would think we would pay more attention to her when she speaks in that arena.
She was also Secretary of State under Obama.
I predicted in the 2016 primaries that if HRC became the Dem nominee, it would be the one thing the Right Wing in America could unify itself against- they hated her then and they still do today; I wonder if she realizes yet how big a gift it is to a splintered, ungovernable mob of political grifters to give it anything they can unify against
It was the most tragic thing when Bernie was pushed aside in favour of H.Clinton, who polled very poorly.
With due respect, it is time for Hillary Clinton to be taken less seriously. Look at who she let win the presidency? A dynamic candidate that could connect with more voters could have flattened Trump. She came across as arrogant and entitled. She is a shrewd and intelligent person, but clearly disconnected from most normal concerns.
Look at who she let win the presidency?
She got more votes - the American voters literally preferred her but the electoral college does mean some votes are effectively worth more than others.
I feel like it would be more useful if she switched sides. Like, instead of reminding us how the dnc keeps fucking us, she could remind the maga kids how close she is with Trump. Maybe they’d like him less by association.
GOP wouldn't take her, sadly. Wonder what would happen if she ran for some 3rd party.
The candidate who delivered Trump his first term, still doubling down on her "deplorables" strategy 7 years later.
But they are deplorables. And you shouldn’t be afraid to say it.
For the love of all that is, that has been, and that will be, get out and vote. Hillary opened her fucking mouth and the last time she did this shit Trump won. Every Democrat should now be rushing to the polls. The cycle is trying to repeat.
She was the candidate with so little enthusiasm of the voters. That still lost to drumpf with almost 3 million more votes...
And with raiding the coffers of down ballot races by misrepresenting a "donation sharing scheme".
People were giving donations to state parties, who gave the vast majority to Hillary.
It didn't just hurt their races, it burnt bridges with lots of people who routinely donated to states and who knows when they'll start again.
She was willing to burn it out down to win because she knew it really was her last chance to be president.
Hell, she's the main reason Trump made it to the general because she was the only one she had a chance at beating.
I think Godwin's Law now dictates that she has already lost the 2024 Presidential Election.
I think it's amusing that Hillary thinks anybody gives half shit what she thinks at this point.
I find it depressing that people still refuse to acknowledge the encroaching right-wing fascism when Hillary literally warned us all way back in 2016.
It's almost like fascists gonna fascism.
Except she was the one who pushed for Trump to lead the Republican ticket behind the scenes part of a strategy to get the "most unelectable" opponent which backfired. The DNC is also on record funding Trump aligned republicans in the 2020 primary.
Takes one to know one. She presided over the largest expansion of the military in most non-elderly Americans lives, encouraged the restart of nuclear pit production that is happening now, couped a democratically elected government, assassinated their democratically elected leader, and then bragged about it on national TV.
Her husband was instrumental in the dismantling of remaining New Deal era welfare policies, and intended to dismantle Social Security until his scandal broke. They’re a horrific, greedy, selfish family, with delusions of dynasty. No one genuinely interested in left politics has anything good to say about her. No, you can’t be a leftist and support overthrowing democratically elected governments abroad. Not to mention that she and her foundation actively supported Trump and other MAGA republicans campaigns because, in their delusions of grandeur, it would improve their chances to be elected.
Yeah how much do people pay you to speak? How many copies did you sell of the last book you wrote?
If I had book money, you think I'd be here?
BACK TO THE FORESTS WITH YOU YOU FUCKING GHOUL
Rubs hands together... MUHAHAHAHAHA
I'm not sure how historically accurate that is. I mean, Hitler was appointed, not elected right? NSDAP members were elected, that is how a parliamentary system works.
Also the 1933 German elections were the result of a massive campaign of violence and intimidation against opposition parties and voters. I would hardly call that "duly elected".
Think of it as like: if we had 100x as many Proud Boys in the US, and they were posted at every polling location to decide who gets to vote or not...
In a US style first past the post system the Nazis would have made a clean sweep in July 1932, and wouldn't have had to intimidate anybody
It's complicated but basically the chancellor (not nsdap) selected hitler as a way of trying to give him some power (because nsdap was still the biggest party after the 1932 election) so he's happy but not enough where he could get out of control.
Spoiler alert it went out of control.
She's not wrong.
Yes, she is.
Hitler was never elected lol. He in fact got crushed in the popular election by 20% by Hindenburg.
The Nazi party, however, won the largest number of seats of any party in the Reichstag in 1932, but leftist seats actually had a larger representation, just split between different parties.
This scared the oligarchal industry types enough that they pressured President Hindenburg into appointing Hitler as Chancellor over a less... Contentious candidate. Then a bunch of Nazi shit happened, the "centrists" did what they always do and supported the seizure of power by fascists, and two years later Chancellor Hitler became Chancellor and President Hitler, all without winning a population election.
What she should have said is that Hitler was duly appointed. By a massive fucking loser and coward who probably jerked off thinking about how he helped Germany start and lose two World Wars.
Are people seriously voting for trump? There is no reason other than authoritarianism. It's kinda disturbing.
The answer is yes. They're sheep.
I'm a leftist and if I were going to vote for a Uniparty candidate, it'd probably be trump, on account of not literally denying genocide while actively preventing an end to said genocide. Seriously, if your logic for Biden over trump involves the word fascism, go ahead and explain exactly how America could get more fascist than we are right now. Nothing is more inherently fascist than committing genocide
America has always supported fascism abroad; genocide, military coups to overthrow democratic governments, invading countries to conquer land and extract resources.
The thing is though there's usually a clear separation between domestic and foreign policy. Bomb the children in the middle east, not the ones in Los Angeles. Not saying this is right, just that's been the U.S's take in general.
So Trump and domestic fascism is different in a tangible way, it introduces fascism locally, and I don't think individuals or groups that are that openly fascistic will start supporting democracy or proletarian causes overseas.
Voting for domestic fascism as a way to curb fascistic foreign policy approaches probably won't work out too well.
Considering her accuracy with him, this should make everyone who cares about the nation worried.
Was she accurate when she instructed Dem media partners to elevate Trump by name with the strategy being that he'd be too extreme for the general election?
Was she accurate when she was taking a preemptive victory lap in Texas on election night 2016?
No one is saying she didn't fuck up, I am saying she said many accurate things.
Considering her accuracy with him
https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/791263939015376902?lang=en
I was talking about her "deplorables" label, nailed it. Then what she warned the world would happen to his face on stage. I am also not a fan of hers, but giver credit where it is due.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/10/hillary-clinton-doing-now-2020/616668/
This cunt should've of cheated in 2016 and Bernie Sanders would of been the Democratic presidential candidate and would of beat Trump and stopped this shit before it ever got started.
Ever poll showed that Trump beat her and Sanders beat him. But nope they ran with her they wanted to lose.
Fuck her she needs to shut the fuck up. Hell her husband encouraged Trump to run as a Republican. The Clintons were friends of his and he was a Democrat. They pushed him so this is her fault.
Most people would never vote for Sanders. He lost the primary and his supporters never shut up about how it was "rigged and stollen" from their God-Emperor.
But nope they ran with her they wanted to lose.
The "GIVE US BERNIE OR WE'LL GIVE YOU TRUMP" people helped Trump win, not Clinton voters.
Online pissbabies never realize they're a minority even within their own party.
I hate that there are so many Trump supporters on Lemmy.
She totally doesn't look like a Disney villain in this picture /s
I was thinking she looks like Palpatine's sister or something.
Somehow, she returned.
As she defends neo-librealist neo-facism at home and neo-facists in Israel...
She’s not wrong.
Ah yes the rampant sexism of American politics is on full display
Acting as if dislike of Hilary is solely due to sexism is either simple-minded ignorance or dismissive of people that aren't your enemy.
I voted for her, but not because I thought she was a good and honest person. I don't think that at all, and would rather Bernie have won the nomination. She was way more qualified and way less of a dangerous wildcard than Trump, so she got my vote but not everyone saw it that way unfortunately.
Among the current Repugs I'd pick Hailey now, but none of them will get my vote in the general.
It's majority sexism against a strong woman with power. The vitriol against her was unmatched. To this day people blame her for hearsay or flat out fabrications of things she supposedly did that other Politicians, namely Trump, were proven guilty of. It's incredible when you look down through the list. The Bush and Trump Administrations both violated the same data handling rules by using private communication mechanisms and commit countless crimes surrounding it; Yet Hillary is the one to get the most criticism despite nothing being covered up. I had a list years back that Trump was guilty of nearly everything the Clintons were accused of. Crazy.
I have had so many conversations with people who insist that they want women in positions of political power who can't name one woman in power that they don't hate. Generally they don't seem to have the same problem with men. So I have long since stopped talking people's assertions in the subject at face value
is this thumbnail from the exorcist? damn
Please go back to whatever crevice you hide in between elections. You and your ghouls' enabling of fascists like him is what allowed him to win in the first place. Against you.
Also Hitler wasn't 'duly elected', maybe you should ask your beloved mentor Henry Kissinger for history lessons before that piece of shit croaks and makes the world a better place.
Hitler lost, and was later appointed to Chancellor unilaterally. So idk wtf she’s talking about.
I think it's close enough that you can get the point.
No, it's worth noting that it was lesser evil voting in a sense that got Hitler appointed. The Social Democrats blocked with the Conservative Hindenburg, who won. Hindenburg then appointed Hitler Chancellor.
One wonders what would have happened if the Social Democrats had blocked with the Communists in a left slate, or at least gotten concessions from the Conservatives.
Edit to add link to 1932 election. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1932_German_presidential_election
This is your hourly reminder that the general election is nothing but a popularity contest and all the real voting power is with the electoral college members who can vote however they like even against their states general pop vote.
Its a puppet show for adults to make the politically minded feel important. Every single canidate who makes it to the ballots is bought and paid for. Vote however you like, or not at all. It doesn't matter, and hasn't mattered for decades.
That isn't really so, faithless electors have never been likely, the occasional faithless elector has had nearly no impact on elections, and a recent (2020 I believe) Supreme Court ruling made it clear that they are not allowed.
There are many issues with the general election. The electoral college is the original gerrymandering set up by our founding white supremacists, and the first-past-the-post, winner-take-all system makes sure that general elections only give the public minimal choice between two major party candidates. We desperately need to reform the system.
But voting in the general election remains necessary, to minimize harm, and voting in the primary election is vital, as the only place we get any real chance at a say. If we want to reform the system, dropping out if it is the surest way to fail. It's exactly what the major parties want you to do.
Middle Finger
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Former first lady and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the wreckage from another Trump presidency would be “almost unimaginable” and likened the former president who beat her in the 2016 election to Adolf Hitler.
“Trump is telling us what he intends to do,” Clinton continued.
Clinton’s comments come just days after a poll showed President Biden falling behind Trump in five battleground states, raising concerns among Democrats nationwide about the potential of another Trump win.
The country is reeling from Trump’s policies and “deep divisions that he sowed,” host Sunny Hostin said of Clinton’s loss to Trump in the 2016 presidential election.
Hostin asked Clinton what she thinks would happen if Trump were to be elected again in 2024.
The former first lady said she thinks Trump was somewhat restrained during his tenure as president, and she believes that wouldn’t be the case if he were to be reelected.
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I thought the mfer was appointed tho
This cretin needs to shut the fuck up before she energizes the maga crowd and those fed up with corporate Dems just so they can send everyone into a tailspin. Why does she think anyone actually even cares about who she endorses? Witch.
She's a cretin, what does that make you?
Better than you
Weimar Germany was much more fucked than the US is (right now). The fasc would fail if he tries it, but it'd set the stage for a successful attempt by someone else.
She is the peak of copium
We know that you obnoxious removed. No go back into your cave, nobody wants you here. We would literally rather have the decrepit half-dead old man then Trump or you.
It isn't like she hasn't been completely right before.
Imagine if the Germans had just elected Democrat Hitler. He would have only killed 4 million Jews!
Utterly Hilarious, considering the current president is literally denying genocide.
Nobody likes Joe. He's not going to get the votes he got last time. A lot more people are pissed, stressed, depressed, and apathetic. There's also a segment of "watch it burn" voters who agree with Clinton and will choose to vote with MAGA.
Another hot take from a loser that is so stupid she lost to a failed reality TV star.
Can we stop comparing everyone we don’t like to “Literally Hitler”? He was directly and indirectly responsible for 52 million deaths. To put that in perspective as an American, imagine if one in every 8 people you know in the USA just died. No modern politician is close to that level in the USA.
Yet.
If we wait for results it's already too late.
However Convicted Rapist Treason Trump has the same monumental lust for power and utter contempt for American values like democracy and freedom that Hitler and Putin do.
We're lucky that Trump is incompetent.
The political version of an incel tries to claw back relevance again.
She just can't keep her mouth shut.
life long career politician and public figure says something political in a public space
"obviously they are just trying to stay relevant 🙄"
Look, I don't like Chillary Clinton, like at all, but getting butt hurt about a politician saying something political about a political opponent is just fucking stupid
Ok, now do Trump!
Are you under the impression I like trump? I'm a socialist, I absolutely can't stand the bastard.
Wasn't Bill at Epstein Island 26 times? Her opinion doesn't matter.
