YouTube cracking on ad blockers.

That didn't stop you from making cartoons, did it?

Rumble is 100% fascist Nazi bullshit, not an alternative

Curious, how does monetization work on those platforms? The bigger "Content creators" typically will be making videos as a job, so to draw them you'd need a halfway decent way to monetize.

I suspect ad blocking will always be an arms race. The server can only ask the client to play the ad, and then rely on the client to truthfully report whether it did so.

Someone will create an extension to mute the ad and overlay it with suitably timed bite sized cat videos.

You can block twitch ads. I literally never see them. Use https://github.com/pixeltris/TwitchAdSolutions/blob/master/vaft/vaft.user.js with Tampermonkey.

Will to be fair, Google is an ad company. We should have seen this coming.

Worst case scenario I think I'd just resort to downloading the videos to watch. Live videos is the challenge, but luckily I don't watch live streams.

You can block ads on Twitch... I use S0undTV on my firesticks and never see ads.

They'll start banning Google accounts, that'll stop quite alot of people just because of how many users use gmail or drive.

I see this as an absolute win, since that means you don't have to read YouTube comments.

Lmao

Too big to fail is a lie told by bankers who don't want to pay their losses.

fair point. but twitter isn't as big as YouTube. YouTube is the second largest search engine.

So, YouTube going down would be a much bigger deal than twitter. I suppose governments won't even allow YouTube to get acquired by some musk.

We just muted the TV during the ads and did something else until the show came back on. Ad breaks for regular shows like dramas were a predictable length of time, so you could time your bathroom or fridge run pretty well.

I don't mind ads if they're solely keyword-based, and one per 30 mins or so. but I do mind the tracking by ad companies(most notably google and meta).

but nowadays I'm so deep into privacy hole that I steer clear of anything that's not FOSS, unless it's absolutely necessary(e.g.: degoogled android). So naturally, ublock origin stays on all the time.

for sure. I listen to a number of podcasts that instead of having dynamically inserted ads, still have the hosts do an ad read. I don't mind that at all

I basically don't subscribe to any streaming services, but we got the family plan years ago and share it with a few friends and family that chip in a couple bucks each.

It's so affordable and the content on YouTube is second to none.

I'm so happy to help content creators earn a living content I genuinely care about rather than studios led by c-suite committees.

Lemmy users only want to use foss and not pay a single penny. How dare you suggest they pay a tiny amount to help pay for servers and the creators they're watching!

So you pay for 0 services then?

Well, we all know it's the free services that don't harvest data.

I agree

Yep. Nebula rules, I wish more creators were in there.

Pfft you think JCDenton has 6 friends and family to split the cost with?

I want ad free YouTube but don't want YouTube music. I don't want to pay for extra shit that I won't be using.

I use Spotify way more than I use YouTube. Spotify does one thing and it does it extremely well.

If Spotify added unlimited free Uber eats delivery tomorrow and bumped up the price to $20 a month, then sure, it'd be a good deal but I wouldn't want any of that.

I'm not sure about individual plans, but YouTube Premium Family went up to $23 per month. I've been a member since day 1 and they eliminated all grandfathering for me. Spotify is $15 for Duo or $17 for family.

In my opinion its impossible to be unable to care less if you are aware of something there is always a tiny bit of care wether its negative or not is irrelevant.

I have YouTube premium family and it costs about $20/month for 5 family members. Are you sure those streaming services cost less than that?

Maybe youtubeTV

You forget that many simply don't care, like me. I stopped using anything google for a reason. Their services are usually lower quality than alternatives, might get shut down tomorrow, paying them doesn't stop your data from being milked, and they continually look for ways to make the internet worse. You're supporting the biggest ads company here...

I pay for 3+ streaming services, and all of them offer me a better deal than yt. It's not about paying for me. It's simply not worth it for my low use of the platform. I only ever look at my 20 subscriptions and my watch later playlist. Until that goes away I will block ads.

I'm just waiting for the next platform to pop up, it's gonna happen sooner or later and hopefully isn't cancer...

And forget about the absolute goldmine YouTube is for Google. It's is among the most important information repositories in history and profits massively from it. There is a reason they run it at a loss. Google uses that data to categorize everything thing about you and uses it to exploit your psychology to sell whatever bullshit their advertisers are peddling this week. It then double dips by selling off that data. And I'm supposed to pay for this? Nah. Fuck Google. I'd rather see YouTube get shit canned than pay a single dime to Google.

I almost got it until I saw it cost 15 a month and they need to fix their copyright troll problem.

Heck, the only competitors in this space are Dailymotion (a French platform that has been enshittified Digg v4 style) and Rumble (an extreme pro-free speech platform that’s being bankrolled by alt-righters.)

Nebula and Floatplane?

We need to block ads so that ads die. Anti-angiogenesis for advertising. Get a less annoying business model.

That said, I have YouTube premium at that I don't see ads.

I guess, technically yes. Does that mean I have to specify that I am in no way endorsed by or representing Pepperidge Farms and that I cannot attest the quality of their products because they are not offered in my country (or at least I haven't seen them)? Is that The Way It's Meant To Be Played?

I didn't read it.

For the past few months, they have been rather aggressive with IP bans for Piped instances, yeah.

don't give them ideas

What you're saying is already very possible. Twitch is at the forefront of fighting adblockers and they're constantly adding new ways to serve ads.

Realistically speaking I think YouTube has been only tolerating ad blockers and will start rolling out new methods next year.

The UBO guys have recommended turning off other plugins (obviously, start by turning off everything, then turn stuff on slowly until you find what is conflicting).

Oh, and make sure you're on Firefox, not any chromium based browser (Edge, Chrome, Opera, Brave etc).

I've also seen suggestions that you should try removing any custom filters (can't remember if that's direct from the UBO guys or not)

try this https://openuserjs.org/scripts/reek/Anti-Adblock_Killer_Reek

That would just put an undue burden on the places that host the blocklists, for no good reason. Purge is something that only needs to be done manually in particular cases like this one.

Not everyone would want the cache cleared all the time. Cache is useful, it prevents you from reloading everything every time. If he was to add the functionality it would probably need to be an adjustable setting.

That's deep.

Capitalism is driven by the idea of a free market, where competition and the law of supply and demand determine prices, production, and distribution. Manipulating you to buy stuff you don't need is the result of human greed, not capitalism. That's such a monothink way of seeing the world.

Imagine living in a small town in the middle ages. You're growing corn, your neighbour has a chicken farm, then there's also a bakery, blacksmith etc. Say you now need nails. Where do you go? To the blacksmith obviously. Does he just give them to you? No, he wants something in return. Well you offer corn because that's what you have plenty of but what if he doesn't want corn but wants eggs instead? Well you can go to your neighbour and ask if he would like to trade some eggs for corn which you could then further trade for nails. Maybe that works, maybe it doesn't, but that's still a bit of an hassle. That's why people came up with money. You can just sell your corn, get cash, buy those nails with said cash and the blacksmith can then go buy eggs with that. That's capitalism.

You are missing my point. Advertisment became an elaborate manipulation, targeted with questionably obtained personal information.

And for me personally the content YouTube is selling is not worth the money they are asking. I just do something else.

If I'm not mistaken, the "tinkering" necessary in uBlock Origin would take much less than the time you took to type out your comment. And no, it doesn't cost less than a beer.

You have a point, but the problem goes far beyond ads vs. no ads. There is definitely a lot of controversy, and you simplify choose not to see it, but don't try to act like everyone else is just too dumb or too poor to see things your way when neither of those are true.

Where do you live that a beer is $15?

UP FIREYFOX!

Google photo sucks

You got me! Android came after maps in 2008. So that's not a great argument for recent development. Is pixel meaningfully different than Nexus? That would put it in 2010, or 2016 if you insist pixel is a big innovation.

Chromebooks are also a 2010 project.

Google pay I don't think is a success? Didn't they like relaunch it recently and shit it up by tying it to phone numbers instead of your Google account? https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/google-pays-disastrous-year-continues-promised-bank-account-feature-is-dead/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/01/google-pay-hopes-to-recover-from-brutal-2021-with-new-leadership/ . Also the original release is 2011. Quite some time ago. But technically newer than maps!

Drive is 2012. Dang, got me. But that's still more than 10 years old, so my actual point seems to stand.

Chromecast is 2013, so maybe within this decade.

Auto is 2015 but I know nothing about it.

I guess I should've said "in the past 7 years" instead of exaggerating and saying since maps!

Android is developed by a consortium of developers called The Open Handset Alliance under an open source license. It is most certainly not a Google product, any more than Linux is a Canonical product. As in, they help develop it but it's not their product.

You seem to be unfamiliar with hyperbole, or maybe just didn't recognize it here.

Also they kind of enshittified Google photos by walking back the unlimited storage promise. Probably not the best project to point to for "Google doesn't suck" arguments.

The amount of ads that I get on mobile YouTube about meeting Ukrainian women is alarming to say the least

Do you have briefing history turned on? If so, hmmmm.....

Ads are served based on your browsing history. If you have never watched those, then you probably should check on you 8yo child or wife's who's using the same acc

I get the piano fraud guy shouting about how only he can teach you mastery of the piano in three days, or something like that. It's a scam but I can't get rid of his obnoxious ads.

In my region (Philippines), this Shopee ads (eq. of Amazon in US) are too cutesy, annoying, and louder than my video I suppose to watch. With or without Google account, this particular ad is everywhere on YouTube. Don't get me on gambling ads.

People choose products that seem or sound familiar. It is a psychological effect that advertisers abuse. Often times you see the same ad multiple times and this establishes that familiarity.

People should be able to choose if they want to see ads or not. When I need a product and start product hunting than that's the perfect time to open yourself for "suggesting a thing" as you call it. Now if I am just browsing a page like reddit or whatever and see an ad that I really don't want to see, don't need etc etc. THAT is brainwashing because it stays unconsciouslly on your mind if you see it enough times which increases the chances that you'll act on it, buy, think about it. This is basic stuff.

Many many years from now IF humanity has not wiped out itself and actually evoved, this statement:

"Advertisement is brainwashing and should be against human rights."

Will be 100% absolutely true.

What did they charge the government for selling out to the surveilance agencies?