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Hillary Clinton says TikTok to blame for young Americans' pro-Palestine views. They disagree

www.middleeasteye.net Hillary Clinton says TikTok to blame for young Americans' pro-Palestine views. They disagree

The former US secretary of state suggested youth were falling for 'pure propaganda' on social media and 'don't know' the history of Palestine and Israel

Hillary Clinton is facing a deluge of criticism after stating that young Americans' growing support for Palestinians is influenced by "totally made-up" videos on TikTok and suggesting that American youth - including young Jews - "don't know history and don't understand" Israel's war on Gaza.

Speaking on Tuesday at a summit hosted by the right-wing Israeli paper Israel Hayom in New York City, the former Democratic presidential candidate expressed her concerns that “smart, well-educated young people” in America and around the world are getting a lot of their information, including about Israel and Palestine, from social media platforms like TikTok.

The former US secretary of state described it as "serious problem for democracy", remarking that when she attempted to have "reasonable discussions" with young people, it was challenging because “they did not know history, they had very little context, and what they were being told on social media was not just one-sided, it was pure propaganda".

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Hillary Clinton says TikTok to blame for young Americans' pro-Palestine views.

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Hillary Clinton says TikTok to blame for young Americans' pro-Palestine views.

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Go fight Donnie over Bubba's dick and shut the fuck up. Genocide is bad, mmmkay? Can't believe its hard to grasp.
- It's only hard to grasp because her and the entire politician class have been receiving ~~donations~~ bribes from Israel for decades.
  
  Yes American politicians value money and shareholder value more than human lives. They prove it every single day and not just foreigners either they hate the US citizens just as much.
- I have the feeling that she targeted too the same preys

The former US secretary of state described it as “serious problem for democracy”, remarking that when she attempted to have “reasonable discussions” with young people, it was challenging because “they did not know history, they had very little context, and what they were being told on social media was not just one-sided, it was pure propaganda".
Look, lady, at some point the prior history doesn't matter. The history we're experiencing right the fuck now is a single day, a single attack, by Hamas responded to by two fucking solid years of calculated extermination and nullification of the Palestinian people.
It doesn't fucking matter what happened thirty god damned years ago when the average age in Gaza before Oct 7th 2023 was fucking sixteen! Guess what Hillary you fucking idiot, 16 year olds haven't been alive long enough to have had anything to fucking do with that history!
The fucking audacity of her ass to be talking about the "history!"
Of all people, this removed deserved to lose to Trump. She even used her connections to promote him in the media because she was fucksure she would end up in the general election against Jeb Bush. That's what you get for fucking over Bernie Sanders!
- Agreed. These "centrists" can go sit on a cactus
  
  We need to stop calling them centrists and call a spade a spade. They're conservatives, plain and simple.
- Well I mean even if you do look back historically Israel took the land from the Palestinians and displaced like 700,000 of them.
  That is why that war will never, ever end. They stole that land. It wasn't theirs.
  I like how they leave out that part of history though. Don't wanna talk about that or you're antisemitic which is absolutely bullshit.
  Steal peoples land and then act all surprised when generations of them want you to die and get their land back. Seems simple enough.
- Israel is an illegitimate state that has behaved monstrously from the beginning. So even if you read the history you’ll realize that Israel is the problem and always has been.
- a single day, a single attack, by Hamas
  October 7th could best be described as a concentration camp prison break.

Prime example of how boomers lack media literacy skills.

Ah yes, because some historical context will certainly justify the genocide.
- Even then it doesn't. Palestinians have been there for thousands of years. They didn't just appear overnight. They're the remnants of Canaanites and Jews who stayed after they were exiled. Many of them adopted Islam and Arab culture during the conquests. Arabs didn't come in and wipe out the indigenous population and replace them. Same with Egyptian, Libyan, and Turkish people. That's why they're not all the same and have drastically different cultures and languages, and not just standard Arabic.
- Historical context show that palestinians was victim of settler colonialism and ethrnic cleansing

I think the Google Maps view of the whole fucking Middle East is why people support Palestine
"There didn't used to be a hole there....something ain't right"
- Better yet, just look at historical maps of the region and see how long the Zionist effort has been going on. She’s out of touch and THATS WHY SHE LOST TO TRUMP.
  
  Just had a look, unfortunately google maps doesn't look like it has been updated with the more recent photos. The only indication that something is amiss is how pretty much everything is "temporarily closed."

She should Pokemon Go the fuck out of politics.
- More like Pokemon Go to the grave
- She's not in politics. No one voted for her, how sad is it say you lost to Donald Trump?
  
  I mean, literally three million more people voted for her, the somewhat lesser of two evils, than for Trump in 2016, but because of the Electoral College it didn't matter.

Hillary Clinton is literally a psychopath

That's weird because I've never been on that app, am older, and probably hold some similar views. So where are my views coming from? You just have to have a heart and then you can see things correctly. It's only fair to hold standards against everyone. Israel doesn't get a pass. Not on morality.

gee maybe you should ask your mentor, arch fucking ghoul nixon enabler Henry Kissinger for some advice IN HELL

No one likes you or your opinions, Hillary. Your time was over when you lost to Piggy. That was 11 years ago. Now just stfu.
- This is how I know she has no shame. If I had lost to the orange kiddie fiddling rapist (in what was the easiest race to win in a long time) then I could never face the world because of the shame.
  It would be unbearable for me.
  I'd live as a hermit for the rest of my life, and on my death I'd just use the funeral as a stage to apologise for allowing the disgusting blob of a cunt to win.
- 9 years not 11, just seems like a lot longer. Almost 10 at this point I guess.

Why would context even matter? A genocide is a genocide no matter the context. It can NEVER be justified.
I have had similar discussions with a right-wing conspiracy theorist (friend of my dad) that also used to justify genocide. I do think and hope that our conversation has led to some positive change in his views. He used to get super triggered when I called what is happening is Palestine a genocide but today I think he accepts it. Or at least he no longer denies it completely. I have stood my ground and kept challenging whatever he has said.
Don't give up on the people around you! Take the discussion, challenge their views. Call out any attempt to justify genocide. You don't need to argue with these people about facts, history or whatever. Just a call out of any attempt to justify genocide is enough. Don't let them keep spreading their hate unchallenged. Violence and hate can never win.

I spent two years in college studying the history of the Middle East and specifically the conflict between Israel and Palestine. I have never been on TikTok. Then where the fuck did my pro-Palestine views come from? I know the history very well and Israel has been unreasonable assholes from the beginning. Yes, Hamas and Palestine need to stop leading with violence, but when you're fighting for your country's literal existence it's a bit of a moral grey area. The whole situation is a shit show and it infuriates me that Israel has so much support from the US. Without the 800lb gorilla backing them I feel like they'd have been forced to negotiate a reasonable solution long ago. Instead, here we are with a wildly disproportionate response that is 2 years long and the US has effectively cheered them on.
Hilary and her entire generation of politicians can get fucked.

I can't believe people still pay her to speak at these events. What a waste of money.
- Not at all. She's a node in a national network of reactionary plutocrats. What you're hearing is the echo of dozens of NYC billionaires and their multi-millionaire subordinates all chanting the same thing.
  Hillary is a megaphone one group of rich people use to talk to another

While I concede it's not only possible, but in fact, likely that many people are unaware of the 10 volume set of War and Peace size novels which recount the history of conflict in the Middle East, I find it incredibly out-of-touch that she can't understand that the starving and murder of an entire ethnic group is considered abhorrent by a large amount of the youth.
We don't need to know every facet to know genocide when we see it. I'm so tired of the constant Israel propaganda here in the states. You'd think they were the superpower and we were completely beholden to them in every way with the amount of kowtowing our politicians do. It's insane.
- Even if you read the history of Palestine for the last 100 years it only reinforces that Israel is a far-right apartheid state hellbent on the extermination of the inhabitants of that land in the name of Jewish supremacy.

Is she seriously stuck on the whole "Israel doesn't bomb hospitals" crap?

Hillary should worry more about Bill being in the epstein files and stfu
- She should have divorced his ass years ago but she had her own ambitions. Fuck her

I don't use tiktok
Am pro palestine
make it make sense
- "Tiktok" is when people use media old people can't be arsed to learn about.
  This is all media, new and old, that they aren't already using.

Hillary... You're barely a has-been at best, and Bill cuck at worst. Kindly fuck off into obscurity and even more irrelevance, nobody wants to hear your dog shit, conservative opinion.

Why are these asshats so reluctant to admit that Isreal is in the wrong?!?
- 💰💰💰

Old dems should stfu
- Sadly the "New Dems" is Richie Torres and Hakeem Jeffries.
  So what Hillary is saying is the Democrat position, not just the old guard.
  
  .... by definition that makes them old dems...

Hillary Clinton's mouth to blame for everyone's disdain of Hillary Clinton.

She needs to Pokemon gtfoh

Get bombed and tortured in an Israeli concentration camp you fucking removed

Of course it's other people who are misinformed, don't understand the context and have a one-sided view of the war. It can't possibly be her.

Make like a toad and croak. Nobody likes you Hillary.
- There's a large gap between disliking and wishing for death, lol
  
  If you have the power to influence politics that will lead to the death of innocents, I think it's okay. Don't be a fucking political figure if you can't handle the heat, Clinton. It's like saying "omg don't bully celebrities". They literally put themselves in public view. Of course people will say shit. This isn't news. What else were they expecting? Everyone is nice and friendly? No, you come to expect that in the public eye.

Hillary Clintonberg is here to tell you that your eyes, ears, and heart are, actually, totally wrong.
Don't you have a whistleblower to suicide, Hillary?

She blamed Bernie Sanders for her failure and got with a dude in the Epstein files. Why would anyone trust her judgment??

She might be right about young people not having much context as a general rule - I've seen this kind of Dunning-Kruger thing before when someone in their teens/twenties first comes across something and they start to have some political awakening. Think of the way that some people fall into the most maximalist of positions on the spectrum and how cringe it often seems, often to later versions of that very person, LOL.
Anyway, I think the cracks on Israel being some united front on our "special relationship" with them and as far as the average U.S. citizen supporting it w/o question have been starting long before TikTok was even a thing.
And most of the people I've talked to over the years, or things I've seen others write/say online has had plenty of context. Hell, Chomsky has been out there talking about this for decades. It's just that the gatekeeping corporate media chokehold on people being able to talk to one another about this, en masse has been loosened, starting in the late 90s.
Used to be someone could yell "anti-semite" at anyone questioning us doing Israel's every whim and that was the end of the conversation. That tactic's effectiveness started to erode with the rise of the 'net. Are some of the people that obsess about Israel/Gaza and Jews/Palestinians anti-semitic? Of fucking course they are. Is everyone? Hell no.

What a fucking massive twat. No wonder bubba went gay for Trump.

I've been watching TikTok and didn't even know it.

Hillary Clinton is a pedophile

Hey lady ! What the fuck happened to your face !? You look maga

What a useless ankle. I mean that in the Arkansas view of that word. Another hateful useless person who wont accept that their version of history is a lie. The document that gave isreal statehood also gave the same for Palestine and they have never honored it. That is the history of it you useless piece of shit. Another horrible person who has no idea how horrible they are.

She's not wrong about folks not knowing a lot of the history and background, but she is kind of missing the disproportionate collective punishment aspect of things. Netanyahu is forming peoples' opinions.
- We know and she know that the plan was always full control of palestinian land
- Remind me of that history and background.
  Who took whose land again?

I think the reason they are pro-Palestine is because Israel is committing crimes against humanity, it really is that simple.

I think you can kind of stretch it to be true if you try real hard but it's stupid to blame TikTok for this. TikTok skews younger, and this is a cause that is popular with the younger generation, so yes TikTok will trend as more supportive of this cause and will reinforce those views via algorithm and the algorithm does not necessarily have to care if things are factual or not so popular things will not always be factual. It's a lot of words to not say anything useful, so she's basically one step away from shitposting on Lemmy right now.
Her comments about not knowing the history are interesting to think about though, because I think she's mostly talking about the news coverage some of us grew up with. Remember that we used to think we could trust our news and there's been a lot of coverage on this historically. Most over around 30 have a pretty good memory of the coverage around 9/11 and the 'war on terror' and are pretty much done thinking about the conflict after finding out that the Palestinian government is ruled by Hamas and will at best say "I feel bad for the people who have to live in Palestine". It's even worse when you get to the 40s-50s range and have someone old enough to have watched the news when modern Palestine was kind of forming into it's current form in the 80s. Somewhere in between is anyone who at any point in time heard any coverage at all about the original charter Hamas was founded on, it's rough. Definitely didn't invent it and they weren't the only ones using the tactic, but for a lot of us, Hamas were also the first guys you heard about when you first learned the term 'Suicide Bombing' on the news too. I don't really want to see the numbers, but I do wonder who holds the record for the most suicide bombings they've publicly claimed responsibility for, we definitely at least knew who these guys were. Some people say you have to separate the people from their government and then the government from their past, but that statement resonates less and less depending on how old the person you're talking to is. Just an interesting retrospective. I still think the basis of the comment is kind of stupid, but it does bring to mind some interesting thoughts.
Interesting numbers, other sources out there will say much the same, but I've always felt that pew research bias is pretty minimal: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/02/younger-americans-stand-out-in-their-views-of-the-israel-hamas-war/
- None of that excuses Israel's post 2023 actions. We all know what we're seeing

Speaking on Tuesday at a summit hosted by the right-wing Israeli paper Israel Hayom in New York City
She's catering to the far-right Israeli crowd under the illusion that interest group isn't popularly considered toxic & waning in influence/political power.

why is one of the very few people who could possibly lose to that disastrous GOP clown show allowed to speak about anything still‽

Hopefully, the Clintons fucking disappear soon
- There's a line of Bari Weiss types circling the block to replace them

Looks like Dementia hit her a little earlier than her peers.

No its because Tik-Tok (until it got acquired by Oracle) didn't ban Palestinian content like FB, X, and YouTube.
It's infuriating that you can't even find even half decent footage of any warzone on literally any media outlet because for some magical reason it gets deleted almost immediately on social media, which leaves it in limbo on whatsapp forwards.

i mean in a way tiktok is to blame or views on palestine... because tiktok was the first time you could see actual on the ground reporting from gaza instead of the sanitized version of the conflict in the us media. this is a good thing.

Is it possible she was also referring to young Jewish people believing propaganda on TikTok?
Social media influenced “not just the usual suspects, but also young Jewish Americans who don’t know the history and don’t understand,” she added.
Reader, it is.

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