Rust developer has 'no plans' for Linux or Proton support, says games that support them are 'not serious about anti-cheat'
So much for my Steam Machine plans.
If I need spyware to ensure I’m playing a game right, that’s a game I don’t need.
If the game Rust is what is keeping you away from being on Linux it might be best you never go to Linux. Just save us all the future headache, thanks.
When we stopped support for Linux, we saw more cheat users exploiting Linux, than actual legitimate users. — reddit
That's curious phrasing. Did he expect legitimate users to stick around after support was taken away? Or does he mean that there were more cheaters than legit users before support was dropped?
That's not to say that cheating was super widespread on Linux, — blog
Okay, so his blog post suggests that it was the former, making his original argument really bizarre.
When we stopped supporting Linux, users made up less than .01% of the total player base, even if that number has doubled, or tripled, it's not worth it. — reddit
When we discontinued linux support in 2019, — blog
The Steam Deck was released three years later, and nearly four more years have passed since its release. The portion of gamers using Linux has grown considerably more than he imagines above, and continues to grow.
Enabling proton support would mean we're asking the EAC team to provide support for a whole other platform, which we fear would reduce their ability to support Windows — blog
That is a false dichotomy. Rather than assuming what the Easy Anti-Cheat folks would do if more support were needed for Linux, he should probably ask. I would expect them to respond to increased demand by hiring qualified staff, not diverting existing staff to tasks for which they are unqualified. This is how businesses grow.
For now, we're still weighing up the risks and will continue to explore options with EAC. Don't expect to see Proton support in the near future, but we hope to have it enabled someday. — blog
I think that's the most sensible thing he has written on the topic.
EAC supports Proton, the devs only need to enable it. And if they think something is lacking compared to Windows, I'm sure they could get Valve to work with EAC on improving those aspects.
I know you don’t need to hear this but just for the record, ARC Raiders just launched with EAC and works perfectly in Proton. This dude is either lying or ignorant, and I’m not sure which is worse.
Brawlhalla has been running fine with EAC for years too
He's a lying sack of potatoes. I literally called it out on here when I read his gaslighting Reddit post. EA did the exact same thing with Apex Legends, of which my producer was a heavy Apex player on Steam.
It's Platinum rated on ProtonDB since before the actual launch. https://www.protondb.com/app/1808500
By the way, even in 2019 having only 0.01% Linux players in a game that officially supports Linux feels abysmally bad. I'd wager it had Linux support on paper only and when you tried playing it would be an awful experience.
Can confirm. Their builds were pretty bad.
I mean if you run on an operating system, you’re not really serious about anti cheat. You should require all of your players to buy your own hardware that is sealed in a titanium box. They should have to give a blood sample before each session, and they should have to be completely surrounded by webcams the entire time. Better yet, have them report to their nearest prison’s solitary confinement wing for a 100% monitored play session.
Let’s get actually serious about anti cheat.
The last "serious about anticheat" game was hacked on release day. On Windows. With kernel-level AC.
Fuck off with your lies.
... Rust still exists? As in, the murder-hobo-survival game that was early access like, 10-15 years ago?
It's been polished a lot since then (they update every month), but yeah, it's still around and it's fun. Sucks that Alistair has this take tho.
It is very different from the Early Access times. At some point they have rebuilt the whole game from ground up. Still is a murder-hobo-survival but is much more fun, nicer looking, better optimized and higher-skill-based game.
That is still absolutely loaded to the gills with cheaters. DNSL has a whole series of videos where he trolls people on the server using cheats. 😂
I thought they were talking about the programming language.
I hear hackers run rampant in Rust.
Are they trying to say Valve isn't serious about anti-cheat?
This is the funny part: they run rampant on official servers. The community hosted ones with independent admins and moderators have much cleaner playing fields lol, and they can turn off the kernel level EAC
If you can't play a specific game on linux due to anti-cheat and you still have to encounter cheaters on windows - is this a linux problem somehow?
15 years ago, any developer who wanted to install low-level malware on your system would have been rightfully laughed out of the room.
It really shows how tech illiterate the modern user is.
Dude should ask Linux players how they can actually play games with EAC and Battleye if that box is turned on, then they'll realize that none of the cheaters use Linux (if any at all). Most, if not all of them, use Windows with specialized scripts.
The headline confused me for a second. I was like, aren’t they adding more and more rust to the kernel?
Same, I had to double check the article lol. Rust next to the word developer was a sort of short-sighted phrasing.
RUST is a game, Rust is the programming thing. Maybe we need to normalize that in posting articles lol
Arc Raiders was just deck verified
I'll buy it for Linux now.
And nothing of value was lost.
We have Rust at home.
There are so many alternatives to these sort of games now. I am not sure it's a good idea to just give your players the middle finger like that.
Every single one of them is also better than Rust. Ark, Conan Exiles, that new Dune game, Palworld...
Ok, I wasn't gonna play that anyway, I prefer games that don't incentivize cheating.
Why hasn’t the amazing economy propelling AI industry fixed cheating yet?
My suspicion says that Valve use AI in VAC these days. I have no proof of anything but in my opinion it would be the smart thing to do. And something major happened in TF2 a few months ago where they finally managed to ban the rampant bot cheaters. Could be AI or it could just be Valve finally taking the problem seriously.
They made TF2 good? I might reinstall it on my PC.
Since rust, the game, was launched one year after rust, the language, can we get the rust foundation to sue them for shits and giggles?
Third rate game's developer says people who already have EAC working on proton are "not serious" uh....
There is a personal element to this, somehow. The developer's relationship with Linux took a weird turn at one point and there's been a will-they-won't-they tension ever since.
So much for my Steam Machine plans.
Welp, enjoy your rootkits and privacy violations.
Games shouldn’t be serious about anti-cheat.
Games should be serious about anticheat, it just shouldn't require a rootkit into the players computer
Let the server admin/mods deal with it.
Singleplayer games*
Edit: include non-competitive multiplayer too
Rust? That's a beverage in star citizen
And what my car is mostly made of right now.
(It was brand new when Star Citizen was announced)
I feel the same about GTA 6, which has been in development longer at greater cost
I have no plans to play Rust, so no harm no foul I guess.
I tried to get into Rust a few times and never liked it. One time I even played with a decent group of people and it still sucked. They can keep their game.
I enjoyed rust by hosting my own personal whitelisted server for my friends and I to mess around on, that's my favorite way to enjoy the game. You can play on linux by disabling their anticheat on your community server (since the server just rejects the proton client with EAC enabled, you don't get banned).
Gosh, stop trying so hard to make me not want play your game, I can only take so much!
