2mo ago

She is making a GREAT point

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That's because hormonal birth control for women takes advantage of existing biological processes to prevent pregnancy.
Men don't have any known biological processes that can be utilized like that, although it's been consistently studied for decades.
- And there is some progress too afaik
  
  There's been "progress" every few years for decades. Male birth control is basically the medical equivalent of battery technology.
  I'll believe it when a pill makes it to market.
- I had thought that another part of it was the levels of harm compared to the problem; getting pregnant is incredibly stressful and possibly harmful, up to and including death as a possibility. A medicine that can stop that but has side affects that are less harmful than pregnancy is a lot more palatable. Whereas, for men, the harm caused by pregnancy is zero, so any harm caused by the pill is weighed a lot heavier.
  
  It's really frustrating how often this gets framed as sexist, when it's a totally different problem. I get why people would equate them but they are very different biological processes. Producing a baby is a complicated process, and there's a lot of steps that we can intervene in to prevent it. Producing a million sperm is, maybe surprisingly, less complicated and it's harder to target a specific thing and produce easily reversible results.
  Men have had vasectomy on the table for a long time now. It's just more serious than most forms of female birth control, in terms of implementation and recovery, still not foolproof, and not as easy to reverse.
  Even more frustrating is that sexism definitely does exist and play a role. It's just more about the human parts of the process, like dealing with medical staff, dealing with insurance, dealing with local, state, and now federal governments that want to bar access to women. Looking at the pill side is misplacing the anger.
  
  There are also medical benefits to female hormonal birth control besides not getting pregnant.
  
  We do have to remember that "First do no harm" is not a universal law of ethics or anything, it's just the way the powers that be think about things.
  
  I think men should consider the potential harms to their partner in their calculus. If a man participates in causing a pregnancy that results in serious complications or death, I would sincerely hope that he would be as devastated by the loss of his partner as he would by suffering the harm himself. If men can't empathize with their partner enough to consider the risks to her, then he shouldn't be having sex in the first place.
- Iirc there are trials for pills for men right now
  
  So far, there’s no male birth control pill on the market. But there are two types of birth control pills in the works: YCT-529 and dimethandrolone undecanoate. YCT-529 is a hormone-free male birth control pill that aims to stop your body from making sperm by targeting the vitamin A signaling that makes sperm production possible.
  Researchers studied the effects of this male birth control pill on animals. They found that in mice, after four weeks of use, it was 99% effective in preventing pregnancies. In primates, sperm counts dropped in just two weeks of use. Researchers also completed a phase 1 human study to test how safe and tolerable the drug is. Now, they’re recruiting participants for a phase 1B/2A study, but more research is needed before this drug can hit the market.
  The other male birth control pill, dimethandrolone undecanoate (DMAU), may also be available as an injectable. This one is a hormonal birth control, meaning it impacts your male sex hormones, causing them to temporarily stop your body from making sperm.
  In a phase 1 study, participants took DMAU for 28 days. But the participants weren’t relying on DMAU for birth control, so more research is needed. Even though a phase 2 trial is in the works, it’s not complete.
  https://www.webmd.com/sex/birth-control/male-contraceptives
  Huh. I thought the trials had been completed, but I guess not. Feels like I remember hearing about them like 4-5+ years ago.
- Also we have condoms too so i don't get what everyone is talking about
  
  I know I should use them but I really don't like using them.
  
  Condoms are horrible for birth control.
  
  Yes, but even when used correctly the chance of pregnancy is still significant.
  And many people do not know how to use them correctly.
  This is a yes and situation. (You should use condoms regardless of other contraceptives, for sexual health reasons)
- Nature is sexist, got it.
  
  Basically. There's no biological advantage for men to shut down sperm production, so evolution never pressured a mechanism to do so.
- It's been attempted multiple times and every time the effects are non-reversible and have horrible side effects.
  It's essentially all the negatives of hardcore anabolic steroid usage without the muscles.
  It sucks but the reality of it is guys are basically too simple to disrupt without seriously fucking everything up but woman are more complicated so relatively minor tweaks can achieve the desired effect.
  
  It's more that there's not any reason for the body to have developed a mechanism to stop sperm production.
  Success in evolution is largely accomplished by reproducing better than those without your mutation. Shutting down sperm production does the opposite.
- So basically it's like jailbreaking an iPhone?
  
  More like trying to root a Samsung phone with Knox (for men)

Weird how it seems like it's all for women and safe sex but then criticizes a tool women have to checks notes take control of their sex lives and make decisions about getting pregnant.
- Non-surgical birth control options for women tend to come with a lot of side effects and a number of risks that don't always outweigh the benefit. Hormonal birth control can cause tons of problems for the women taking them and some of them are associated with life-threatening side effects like increased risk of clotting leading to DVTs, PEs, and strokes.
  
  Yes, and male birth control doesn't solve these problems because the only way to be 100% sure is to be on birth control yourself, especially important with huge chunks of the US banning abortions
  
  And it's their choice to pick that option and it's not my place to remove that option because I'm done rando on the Internet who thinks he knows better

I not sure I can impregnate 9 women in a day but I'm willing to participate in a scientific study to find out if anyone is doing that.
- For nine months.
  
  starts doing warmup stretches
  
  If you insist.
- The only people thinking a man can impregnate 9 women in a day are other men, coz they lie to each other

How does this unscientific instagram vomit has 500 votes on lemmy? Are we turning into reddit?
- Because it sounds good to people that never made it beyond high school level biology or bothers to search things
- This is literally the shitpost community
- Always have been. Down to hivemind downvoting in several places here.
  Lemmy was advertised as reddit alternative, so it's exactly what we asked for. I came here during that wave too. So yeah, I'm part of the problem.

Those 9 men could prevent women getting pregnant by cumming in me instead.
- based
- Honey your desperation is showing.

I'm not sure who's she targeting because I know a lot of guys who would love to have birth control pills.
- It ain't like pharma ain't been trying to make male birth control pills. Lord knows they'd love the extra money.
  But it turns out to be damn difficult to get right.
  
  They have made it. Had human trials with effects that killed the trials.
  Most of the men in the trials wanted to keep taking it so their partners didn't have to bear that burden alone.
- and no sane woman should believe that, because if she will later find the guy was lying, it is not going to be the guy having to deal with the consequences. so it is quite stupid take.
  
  If you're having sex with random, unknown, untrusted people, you better use a condom anyway, because pregnancy isn't the worst thing that can happen, so the point is kinda moot anyway.
  
  What? You could say that when reversed, but until proven otherwise, women have every rights and the power to chose what happens, unlike men who don't have a say
  
  No sane person should leave something that important to the sole responsibility of someone else no matter who they are.
  Eta: Until I turned 30, everyone I knew who had kids was "on birth control"

Dumb. It's a lot easier to stop one egg a month, than zillions of sperm multiple times a day. Simple as that.
- Not only that, there's an interruptible cycle of egg release. There's no regular interruptible cycle in men.
- Condoms are a lot cheaper than the pill and don't come with side effects
  
  Many people of any gender find sex much less enjoyable with a condom.
  
  Condoms are horrible for birth control though.
  
  And everybody DESPISES them.
  Besides, they aren't very good at either birth control or preventing disease, and they are the most effective anti-sex invention ever.
- Not if ya snip snip
  
  Exactly. In the case of men, that has turned out to be the most effective method in blocking a literal flood of sperm.
  People claim that men wouldn't use a daily pill, but guys don't want their women getting pregnant any more than the women do, at least not until they are ready. If it existed, most guys would gladly take a pill that would keep them from 18 years of child support, just like most women do. In fact, having double contraception would reduce unwanted pregnancies significantly, which would also reduce the abortion rate, which might help bringing down the political temperature a bit (no, it won't).
  It's not us men resisting male contraception, most of us would love it. It's just not mechanically as easy to do for men as it is for women. It's a science problem, not a market segment problem. Make it, and there will be customers for it.

Not everything is a conspiracy against women
- I do think that birth control pills having 1 week of sugar pills to force periods rather than 1 week of optional pills to allow skipping periods is pretty fucked up though. The term conspiracy is pretty intense though. But it's super fucked.
  
  Was curious about the placebos and came across this if you are interested.
  https://srh.bmj.com/content/familyplanning/44/3/214.full.pdf
  A paper that suggests there is no medical evidence why there should be a break in hormonal pills and that you can simply just start a new pack of pills and continue going on with your life
- It's less of a conspiracy and more that it didn't even occur to society until pretty recently (in historical terms) that reproduction isn't solely a woman's responsibility
  
  Well yes. But it also occured to society that stopping 1 egg per month is easier than millions of sperm every day.
  
  Is that why men have been wrapping their dicks in all sorts of weird shit for thousands of years? Animal intestines and bladders to name but a few. Fuck your "in historical terms", youre talking out of your arse, just like every other sexist who makes hating men part of their personality.
- You say that as if women haven't been treated like property in nearly every society ever since we learned how to farm
  
  This is one of the dumbest wagons to hitch that argument to in particular.

This is just logically wrong.
If birth control was only made for men, and 90% of men were on birth control, you could end up with far more pregnancies than if it's for women and 90% of women were on it.
The conclusion is exactly the opposite of the argument.
- I don’t understand you logic. Are you saying the remaining 10% of men would impregnate a disproportionate amount of women?
  
  By the logic of the image, yes.
  
  Yes. Because 10% of men is enough to impregnate all the women.
  As a guy though, I wish there was male birth control. I do not love that women get to decide if they are going to make me a father or not.
  
  Yes, that's exactly the point of the post in the first place, 1 man can impregnate many women, a woman can't get impregnated (contemporary) by many men

Later that night:
- More like that:
- Later that night:

It's the woman who'd get pregnant and who doesn't want to. Should she rely on whether the men took their pills correctly? Taking hormones sucks for many women, but they're happy to be able to have birth control in their hands.
- Yeah, I think people forget why the pill was such a game changer: It allowed women, without the permission or knowledge of their husband/sexual partner, to decide whether or not they wanted to get pregnant.
  
  Should there be an temporary contraceptive for men? Yes, it gives agency to men and also provides an alternative to women who can't use female contraception for a multitude of reasons.
  Will that be preferred by all women? Hell no
- Taking hormones can also be a significant positive, depends on the person.
  
  Yes, but this is not about the poll having positive side effects.

Counterpoint: a woman taking birthcontrol is empowered because she is taking charge of her own reproduction. She doesn't have to rely on or trust the man to take his pill. After all, she would be the one bearing most of the burden in case of an unwanted pregnancy.
Additionally, purely biologically it is much easier to reliably stop conception on the female side than on the male side. A woman only produces one egg cell per month, whereas a man produces millions of sperm cells per day.
- Counterpoint to your counterpoint- no form of birth control has a zero percent failure rate under perfect use conditions and not all women respond to all forms of birth control well meaning pregnancy capable people cannot take perfect control of their family planning choices without the extreme surgical intervention of a hysterectomy as even getting medically sterilized in other ways can potentially undo itself. Doubling up from both sides means a much lower chance of failure rate resulting in life changing or difficult consequences and distress on behalf of the partner who faces higher risk outcomes.
  Doing your part in a relationship's reproductive planning is good partner behavior. This shouldn't be a game where just one person is on the hook and the other is just along for the ride. Male and Female birth control do not exist as a one or the other dichotomy. Stoking division of the sexes over which one is more nessisary is counter to the real point. These are tools couples can use together to be safer.
  
  No one is saying both sides should not be responsible. The initial photo from OP is implying that BC was initially for women out of misogyny or some other malicious reason. It is MUCH easier to terminate 1-2 viable eggs through a cycle than millions of sperm without causing infertility.
  
  Doing your part in a relationship’s reproductive planning is good partner behavior. This shouldn’t be a game where just one person is on the hook and the other is just along for the ride. Male and Female birth control do not exist as a one or the other dichotomy.
  Except what the meme is saying is not that both partners should work together on birth control. It suggests that it should be on the man instead.
  Meme also suggests that no work is being done on a male contraception pill, when in reality this is being worked on and has been worked on for decades, but there are good biological reasons why this is anything but trivial and certainly much harder than a female contraception pill.
  
  Condoms don't exist?
- Fun fact.
  Women do not produce eggs each month, they just release them.
  Women are born with all the eggs they will ever have. They never make any more.
  To your point, a woman may be born with around a million eggs (lifetime total). A man can produce over 100 million sperm every day.

Cumming 9 times a day??
- Nowhere does it say you have to limit yourself to that
- With 9 different partners each time, dude dick gonna fall off statistically speaking.
- Don't forget to hydrate
  https://youtu.be/_ARGBrsM_Js
- If you have a plan and put in the effort it can easily be done
  
  This guy definitely owns a milking table. It's probably homemade.
- So hear me out; have the lad cum onto a table, use a postcard or something to divide the subject matter into 9 equal parts, then have the ladies come in and snort it up their pussy.
  I'm not a professional in this field fyi.

The most commonly produced, available, and used birth control method worldwide is the latex condom, used by everyone who has a penis. Try again.

If the numbers were correct and your aim was to reduce pregnancies, you could prevent 90% of pregnancies by getting roughly 90% of sexually active women to take the pill. Getting 99.95% of sexually active men to take the pill would have NO effect whatsoever on the pregnancy rate, because the remaining 1 in 2000 men would continue to meet and impregnate a woman roughly once every hour for roughly 12 hours a day (with breaks for food and resting his dick a tiny bit) for 9 months straight, with time to visit 430 women a second time in case these miracle impregnators somehow didn't always impregnate on first meeting a woman. (This would very drastically reduce diversity in the gene pool and the world would be very very very badly interbred within two generations.)
But of course humans don't behave like the numbers suggest AT ALL, thank goodness.

Nah, this isn't a great point at all.... even at face value really.
Put slightly differently, if we're assuming people sleep around as much as the text implies, if we focus on birth control solely for men, then one 'failure'/non-controlled man would result in a ton of pregnancies. If the onus is on women, then one 'failure'/non-controlled woman would result in one pregnancy.
- It doesn’t stand up on its own terms on other levels as well.
  Even the most cynical misandrist interpretation of how research is funded would still lean towards men being given the agency on whether sex lead to pregnancy.

I got snipped so my wife didn't have to do the hormonal bullshit. Her doctor is putting her back in it because women's bodies literally do not want them to be happy.
- I'm almost 54 and menopause has not yet been achieved, though my system is constantly teasing/taunting me with it.
  I couldn't agree more.

Why stop at 9
- A man's got to eat some time you know.
  
  That's what the pregame is for

The Lemmycels are pretty angry at this one, but on the other hand it's pretty silly to trust dudes with birth control when you're the one that gets pregnant.
- What do you mean by that first sentence?
  
  The whole comment is only a single sentence...
- But we’ve had the technology to make it an option for a long time
  
  Sure, but as others have pointed out you'd still just end up with literally everyone on birth control.
  Which is fine. Certainly makes random failures less likely.
- It's a reductive argument. It suggests that the world actively decided to harm woman. A man not taking a contraceptive or forgetting to could inflict disproportionate harm on another person. There are many great reasons why it is the way it is.
  Also the numbers are all out of whack. It makes sense that some would argue against it.
- People who didn’t make it beyond high school level biology think this meme is some sort of hard hitting argument 😆 it is much easier to control terminating 1-2 eggs in a cycle than millions of sperm without causing infertility.

me: laughs in vasectomy
- Best decision I made.
  
  Best incision I have made.
- Fr, no worries anymore!

9!? You think I can cum 9 times a day!? And apparently hit the egg every fucking time too? I don't mean to question the conclusion because I think birth control should be both parties' responsibility, but I think your premise reveals a distinct lack of grasp on biological reality. Why stop at 9? Why not 900? Really drive your point home! My dick is going to be useless after number 2 or 3 anyway.
- "hit the egg" 🤣😂😭
- If i cum today and i want to cum tomorrow i will already feel a weaker sensation, probably if i cum 2/3 time in a day that sensation will be as good as laughing at a joke that isn't even that funny
  
  Cocaine is your friend here, good sir.
- I think she liked the number nine because 9 months pregnancy so she used the number 9 for everything in her hypothetical scenario
- Leys gooooooo 9000 !!

I think if I busted a nut 9 times a day, I would just simply just vanish.

It's easier to prevent ovulation of one egg than stop a billion sperm cells from reaching their destination. Stop politicising biology.
- Yeah they try to make this sound like an intelligent argument or that they designed birth control for women out of misogyny. It’s much easier to get one or two eggs terminated in a cycle vs eliminating millions of sperm without causing infertility. I don’t think the people that spew this understand.
- Uh, it's been done. Multiple times.
  First was this one back in 2016, but the caveat was that it had the same side effects as women's birth control. Since the patient being prescribed isn't the one who will experience negative health outcomes without the medications, the harm of those side effects was deemed by researchers (not the patients themselves) to be greater than the risk of impregnating someone else.
  Other hornonal options have come out since then, though not on the consumer market, like this hormonal gel and this pill.
  More recently its been done without hormones by blocking a vitamin A metabolite that signals the production of sperm.
  You're the one "politicising biology" by using it to dismiss this out of hand without even the most basic level of research or respect for the complexity of the topic.
- It's easier to castrate men than to expect women to take medication with a wide array of side potential effects, stop politicising healthcare x

Someone tell her condoms exist and it's men's job to buy and wear them. Prevention is both genders responsibility. If they make a pill for men I'll happily take it.
- I don't understand this logic. Sex is not any one person's responsibility to be safe
  If I wanted a penis inside me, I would take responsibility to have one available, because I wanted it inside me.

So in this imaginary never ending orgy it would still make sense for the women to take the pill because if 99% of the men do the other 1% will somehow make every single women pregnant.

You still need it.
When you see a driver running a red light, you still brake even if your light is green.

Genghis Khan has entered the chat

9 times per day... So ok. You know how women love to give men shit for having a poor understanding is basic female biology? This is that.

Just FYI after the 5th one I'm just cumming air at that point, but if there are 2,430 women out there who want to give it a try anyway be my guest.
- You also get a hydro homie whose sole job is to keep you hydrated and keep giving you zinc suppliments

The one who gets pregnant should probably take the birth control, as pregnancy would be more bothersome for them than for the other person.

It's not like they haven't tried. Most men would love to be able to ensure they don't get snared. 😉
- The best option all around that I've seen is Vasagel, which is the western development based on RISUG which was a successful Indian trial
  https://www.planaformen.com/vasalgel
  The major complication for it has been that no pharma wants to invest in it, likely because if doesn't have good profit potential.
  It is a one-time 'shot' of a physical gel that blocks the vas deferens (sperm channel) and is fully reversible simply by being flushed out again.
  However, since it is not an ongoing monthly profit ahem, prescription, there is not a lot of money to be made.
  No hormones, no pills, fully reversible, simply blocks the sperm exactly like a vasectomy, just very easily reversed. It can all be done in clinic with a syringe (perhaps tho the syringe will be a blocker for some men)
  
  Is the syringe in the dong? Because that's a beeg no for me. I'm not squeamish around needles but am squeamish about the dong and dings.
  
  So once again, it's capitalism. Surprise surprise.
- So get a vasectomy or don't stick in raw, dumbass
  
  Nothing is 100% and vasectomies are rarely reversible

All I'm seeing is I can seed my own country if I try hard enough.
- Ok Musk.
  
  Pff that lazy fuck pays someone else to do the work for him like for everything else

Counter point, all men are rapists(according to the wisdom of the internet). Therefore, birth control is protection against the onslaught of unwanted semen that comes from all the endless rape.
Or, if you arent a perpetually online moron, birth control allows women to control their reproduction. Its a symbol of liberation and freedom for women, who can now enjoy sex at their want without worry of pregnancy.
In over words, shes making a shit point. This is like all the clueless cunts moaning about women in short skirts in Star Trek, not realising the the mini skirt was a symbol of sexual liberation for the time.
- Have you looked up sexual assault or rape rates in your community or country? It is definitely a high enough number to scare a normal person. Probably many of those crimes are repeat offenders, but that doesn't help the victims.
  There's another question that I don't think you can answer. How often do women close to you talk about this subject? And if they never have, then maybe there's a good reason for it. Because we can find the above data and we know that people around us have gone through some horrible stuff.
  
  Yes I have. But Im betting that you havent. To be clear, I never said it wasnt a problem. Its just not the problem that internet makes it out to be. Often we see morons using stats from African countries, where rape gangs are frequent, to justify saying "all men" in the US are pricks who rape women.
  As for women talking to me about things. As long as you dont come at me like I raped you, or pushing some sexist ideal that "all men" are rapists, a conversation is fine to be had. If want me just to sit there and nod my head while you push some twoxchromosomes like up my arse, the answer will be "nah, Im good.".
  In the US, 1.9 million women are raped every year. Im sure you'll agree, thats far too many. There are over 170 million women and girls in the US right now. As for sexual assaults, thats 480,000 a year. Out of over 170 million. Yes, we both wish that the number were zero. But no, I dont agree that women should be scared. Accord to RAINN, there is a 0.6 to 0.7% chance that a woman will be raped in her lift time. The risk of being in a car crash at least once in your life, is 84%. Shall we start making some shit about cars now???
  The problem with people like you, is you make enemies where you did have any to start with. We can all agree that no woman should ever be raped or forced to endure an assault of any kind. But instead, you want to make it about how awful "men" are, and how you cant even walk the streets at night without being assaulted. Which is also bullshit, as only 10% of rapes happen because of strangers attacking women on the street. No, women are just as safe as men walking the streets at night, safer in fact, as we get attacked FAR more frequently. No, a womans real issue with rape and sexually assault happens when she gets home. Fathers, uncles, brothers, husbands, boyfriends, are all in that 90% bracket. So walk the streets ladies, it would seem that you dont have to worry about anything until you get home...
  See how annoying that is?
- "onslaught". im sorry for whatever country you live in where women are raped multiple times a day.
  
  Reading is hard, huh?

Maybe you should just count yourself lucky that you get to control your own fertility. In civilized countries at least.
- That’s quickly coming to an end.
  
  I think it's the civilised that's coming to an end.

Nice try mr. pervert, you were trying to make me think about a woman nine months pregnant getting plowed nine times in a row.
- Up vote
- You wrote that comment so they accomplished that started goal of making you think about it

Condoms?
- Those also protect both people from possible other hidden cooties.

Feminist snark is much less effective when it’s based an utter ignorance of the science it’s poking fun at.

If 2,430 ladies want to test this out then hmu
- I saw on Google that there are this many in your local area waiting to meet you.
  
  All crammed into a clown car
  
  I looked into this but the ads are a lie.
  There are only 1,789 hot local women that want to meet me.

Let's say you save exactly one pill and it works on anyone. Also assume 100% pregnancy rate, so if you are paired with someone and neither have the pill, then it's an automatic pregnancy. Our goal is to minimize number of pregnancies.
"Max promiscuity": Say we have a complete bipartite matching. if it's given to a male, then no pregnancies have been prevented since every other male can impregnate every female. If it's given to a female, then it reduces the number of pregnancies by 1 since none of the males can impregnate her.
"Traditional": Say we have a bijective matching (i.e. each male is paired with exactly one female, and vice versa). Then the pill can be given to anyone and it will always reduce the number of pregnancies by 1.
"The Harem": Say we have a matching where males have more than one pairing but females have at most one pairing each. In this case, giving the pill to the male with the largest number of pairings will reduce pregnancies by however many pairings they have.
"Reverse Harem": Same scenario as above but flip male and female. Giving the pill to any female will have the same effect of reducing pregnancies by 1. Giving it to a male will have no effect.
"The Cliques": The population is split into disjoint graphs, but each of these disjoint graphs are complete (bijective) bipartite graphs. In this case, if the pill is given to a male, then it will only have an effect if that male only has a single pairing, thereby reducing pregnancies by exactly 1. Otherwise, there will be no reduction in pregnancies. If given to a female, then it will always reduce pregnancies by exactly 1.
As far as I'm aware, the real world operates most like a mixture of "Traditional" and "Cliques". At least, in places where birth control is an option. But in the real world, we have more than one pill.
If we have enough for either all males or all females, then the effect is the same regardless of who gets the pill. It will always lead to 100% pregnancy reduction.
Let's say we have enough pills for all but one male, or all but one female.
"Max promiscuity": If the pill is given to the males, then we still have one male that can impregnate everyone, so there will be no reduction in pregnancies. If given to females, then you will end up with exactly one pregnancy.
"Traditional": As before, there's no difference. Any decision will lead to reducing pregnancies to exactly 1.
"The Harem": giving to all the males except the one with the smallest number of pairings will reduce pregnancies to however many pairings that one male has (more than 1). If given to females, then it will reduce it to exactly 1.
"Reverse Harem": Giving it to the males will reduce pregnancies to exactly 1 since they're only in 1 pairing. Giving it to females will also reduce it to exactly 1.
"The Cliques": if given to the males, then it will only make a difference if there exists a clique with exactly one male. It will reduce pregnancies by the largest number of females in a clique with a single male. If given to females, then it always reduces pregnancies to exactly 1.
So with the goal of minimizing pregnancies, it either makes no difference or is optimal to have the pill on women (unless you're in a harem). This is highly reductive though. We have many other considerations when deciding who should get access to birth control.
- I applaud your dedication to this thought.
  
  I needed to know if there was any validity to the claim. And if I'm doing the work anyway, I might as well share it.
- Upvote for the dedication in writing this reply

I’m pretty sure the birth control pill is for women because that was easy to do. A pill for men has been tried several times and they still don’t exist yet.
- correction: easy to do *if you don't care about side-effects or undermine the population taking said pill when they tall about the huge impact on their life the reason the pill for men "has been tried several times and still doesn't exist isn't because it's that much harder, but because it's harder to do with minimal side-effects the impact the pill had on generations of women is massive and completely underestimated today still
- Yeah, and me taking a man pill doesn't stop the lady getting pregnant if some other guys didn't bother to take it. It does make sense for the woman to protect herself from douchebags

She has no points
A) women are voluntarily driving 100% of demand for this drug B) if we could make it for guys, we would. C) if we did unplanned pregnancies would dry up and women's power/control of birth would change vastly for the first time in our biological history.
This screen shot is meaningless kindergarten thinking.
- YCT-529 just passed human safety trials last July. Its coming ... so men won't be.
  
  Been hearing that for 30 years. That and the rapture is tomorrow. And aliens coming the day after that.
  
  That's not birth control that's just like having a vasectomy. The big power of birth control is that it works after the fact so if you wake up in the morning and you realise you've made a mistake, you have options.
- ✂️✂️✂️

Yeah, neat math, but biology isn't a group project where everyone gets an equal share. Female birth control exists because it's actually doable. One egg a month is easy to manage, shutting down millions of sperm without wrecking everything else? Not so much.
And every time male birth control does make it to trials, guys tap out the second they get a mood swing or a cramp. Meanwhile, women have been tanking those side effects for decades just to keep the rest of us from multiplying like rabbits.
So no, science didn't "target the wrong gender." It just went with the one that could handle it.
- And every time male birth control does make it to trials, guys tap out the second they get a mood swing or a cramp.
  This is false, it's based on a single study and twists facts. Some participants dropped out because of side effects, but those not dropping out said they would actually continue using the pill if it were available. The study was stopped because one participant tried to kill himself.
  https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/11/03/500549503/male-birth-control-study-killed-after-men-complain-about-side-effects
  
  No it wasn’t just one study. The 2016 WHO trial is just the one that got the headlines because it made for a catchy story. There were several other male birth control studies going back to the 80s and 90s where men dropped out because they didn’t want to deal with the side effects. Things like acne mood swings and injection pain.
  In the WHO study around twenty out of three hundred twenty men quit over side effects. Earlier trials saw the same thing a few percent tapping out for the same reasons.
  So no it wasn’t some isolated case. It’s been a recurring theme across decades of research. The numbers are small but it’s there. Pretending otherwise just tells me you stopped reading after the first article title.
- Without wrecking everything else
  Women have been taking the side effects
- ✂️✂️✂️
- Then the just and equitable thing to do would be to shift some of that burden to men to make things easier for the women that aren't able to "tank" the side effects that can include some life-threatening complications.
  I would also like to point out that the leading cause of death of pregnant people in America is intimate partner homicide, so the dangers of pregnancy can also be directly caused by the male partners. Y'all need to toughen the fuck up and get your shit together to do your damn part of preventing unwanted pregnancy and calling out the bad behavior of your peers that eventually escalates to things like rape or intimate partner homicide.
  
  Vasectomy

Centuries of discounting female medical concerns and avoiding anything that would even inconvenience men are why we’re here.

I have tried my very best with partners, but 9 times a day? Even with the most willing partner I'm not man enough for that!
- Even as a kid, my record was 5 wanks in a day.
  
  These are crucial personal data points that we can always recall
- I tried 4 times in a 24 hour period once with a partner and we were both far too sore to finish the last time. Maybe if we did so more regularly we might have been able to do it but the flesh is weaker than the spirit a lot of times
  
  Sometimes we need to fly solo, but not sure that would have helped me in the same scenario
- MrSulu, you stud! I heard that gay men get more sex, but that's a bold attempt. Does Brad know about this?!
  
  My reality is not achieve the leaderboard of the adolescent imaginations.
- The trick is not to cum. Then you can last all day.

There have been attempts, but as far as I know they stopped due to safety issues. But I could be wrong.
- Vasalgel/Risug(?) have shown promising results in tests in India iirc, but the last time I checked there was almost no momentum in getting it FDA approved. It is as far as I know, 100% effective and only required administrating once. The materials used to create it are cheaper than the syringe. Why is it not making more headway? Because it eliminates profits (like ongoing prescriptions would provide) for pharmaceuticals.
  
  I’ve been hoping for it to become widely available since first reading about it somewhere south of 2010. But I guess it would need to become easily manufacturable in local pharmacies for procedure to become widespread.
  
  Last time I read about it had some issues, like the material stopped blocking way earlier than anticipated

I know a lot of people who take birth control pills to regulate their bodies rather than prevent pregnancy.

If there was a reversible, drug-based intervention for males that prevented impregnation that shit would be given away for free on every street corner and it's universal availability guaranteed by Constitutional Amendment lol
- And Women wouldn't trust a man has taken it because, ultimately, they're the ones who become pregnant not men.
  While companies have looked into male drug-based contraceptives, ultimately even if it were 100% effective, it would never beat female drug-based contraceptives. It'd have a market sure - but it wouldn't stop women taking birth-control because it'd remain the only way for them to be sure.
- They've tried, but they can't get FDA approval because the men in the clinical trials aren't able to tolerate the side effects that pale in comparison to common side effects of hormonal birth control for women.
  
  They stopped that one trial because a participant tried to kill himself, not because of comparable side effects in the female pill, and that's basically the only real trial that was ever done with a larger number of participants.
  https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/11/03/500549503/male-birth-control-study-killed-after-men-complain-about-side-effects

Back when I was younger and on the road all the time I would have loved to have a pill that guaranteed I didn't have a critical hit. But even at my peak nine times a day would have had me pushing rope.

Lol this is so dumb

Condoms?

I'm actually waiting for male birth control pills so bad
They would give men more agency on reproduction, aside from vasectomy, which is permanent, and condoms, which can rip or be intentionally poked.
Also, they can be used in couples where a woman is hesitant to take pills herself, either out of reproductive concerns (fear that pills would make them permanently sterile), or the overall influence of hormones on the body and the menstrual cycle.

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