This is an app ICE is using in the field to scan people
This is an app ICE is using in the field to scan people
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Exclusive: algorithm used by fascism app has been leaked!
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And yet apps helping identify ICE agents are taken down.
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Rules for thee, yada yada
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My immediate thought as well.
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I actually do not understand how some people find this unconcerning. This is like blatantly dangerous.
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40% of the population.
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Dangerous? It’s outrageously illegal. Unless we’re just gonna say all documentation is null and void. Which. We’re not.
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The state determines what is legal and illegal. It's mostly irrelevant in the discussion of the evil that a state does. Apartheid was legal, so was slavery, so was the Holocaust
The administration has shown they have less than zero respect for any sort of laws or precedents set by the past, and at this point whether something is illegal just blends into the background, as you could say they do illegal things every day. Dangerous is a more fitting term to provide a sense of urgency
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everyone is in denial that everything will "return to normal" when trump dies, and hoping that happens within this 2nd term. mind you "normal" in that sense is unsustainable ratfucking of any and all public funds to the detriment of everything else
...when he dies and nothing else changes...
that's when shit goes from bad to worse real fucking quick
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Fascism: there's an app for that!
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404 Media is journalist owned (there are four of them) and they’re doing some of the best journalism in the USA lately. I signed up about a year ago and don’t regret it. If you’ve got the extra cash and you actually give a damn about our broken media landscape, you could find a lot worse places to spend it.
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Uhm excuse me is this app available in an official app store? Does this mean ICE SIDELOADED THEIR APP?
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No way they could explain how to do that to these apes. Apple and Google are complicit in this, they like being able to bribe Trump. Probably just need to add their name to the list of people that can see it in the app store.
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It's likely a work profile type dealio, right? My last job you could activate the work profile and it automatically installed the work appropriate apps.
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No, they are just using a standard MDM solution. Device gets setup on the organization Mobile Device Management system, and it has its own app store with the apps the business uses. There is not requirement for apps to be listed in the App Store or Play Store. Any business can provide their own apps for use in their MDM system.
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Serious answer to non-serious question, corpos can deliver apps to phones past app stores, e.g. intune/company portal etc.
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Fucking excuse me? An app is supposed to override my goddamn birth certificate? Absolutely not. In fact, I’ll be damned if I let a cop scan my face without putting up a fight. I’m walking away unless detained, and if I’m detained, I’m not doing a fucking thing until I have my lawyer.
Edit: Look up and commit to memory the phone number of your local chapter of the National Lawyers Guild, if you don’t already have an attorney’s contact information ready at hand.
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There's no due process anymore. Why do you believe you'll ever be granted a lawyer, let alone a phone call, or a court date? They're just out there assaulting and disappearing people.
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You also get a court-appointed lawyer if you don’t have other options and staying silent in jail for a week is preferable to admitting whatever they want you to admit to secure a conviction.
Don’t Talk Without A Lawyer (Working for You) Present.™
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I wish you well but you may be underestimating how far down we've gone. If you try to walk away or put up a fight, and you will be swarmed by cops who will take you to the ground with no concern for the injury they are doing. At the least you will be bleeding, at the worst you'll get some broken ribs or worse.
Once they're done beating on you, you will be detained, I won't say arrested, and you will be taken to an ICE facility where you will not get a phone call or access to a lawyer or medical care. After a day or two, maybe less, you will be transferred to an ICE facility a few states away, or maybe on the other side of the nation. Your friends and family will not be informed and will have no way to find you until ICE decides you've had enough and let's you go. Assuming they don't just deport you for the hell of it.
Remember, until you prove you're a citizen, you don't get due process. And of course, without due process you can't prove you are a citizen.
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An app is supposed to override my goddamn birth certificate?
The issueance of said birth certificates is a power reserved to the states, and state-issued documents must be given full faith and credit. US citizenship is supposed to be secondary to someone's citizenship to the state. So, if the states have to give them credit, so too must the federal government.
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Bold of you to assume they don’t already have your face and that they need to be in your vicinity to scan it.
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Sounds like a visit from some hackers to make everyone legal is in order.
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Man anonymous and whoever are just script kiddies apparently. A decade into this fuckery and - what? They downloaded ICE agent names to pass amongst themselves and giggle about?
SAD!
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Even China's facial recognition is wrong like 20-30% of the time
This is going to have so many false positives...
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This is going to have so many false positives…
That's the idea.
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It’s the smartphone version of “I smelled marijuana,” bet there’s a setting to double tap a button and flag an offending person regardless of documentation.
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And China doesn't have any black people, for whom facial rec is notoriously inaccurate.
Oh, yeah, false positives all over the place.
If you get ensnared by this little scheme, make the best of it. Keep track of everything that happens during your detainment, down to the slightest inconvenience, because you are going to blow that up when you get your case into a courtroom. Make these Sociopathic Oligarchs fund your (hopefully early) retirement.
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The first line kinda ignores the minorities in China. It's mostly Han so the minorities suffer similar discrimination there due to lack of representation or excessive regional enforcement
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Make these Sociopathic Oligarchs fund your (hopefully early) retirement.
Might wanna be careful with those genie wishes, in context.
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Is something like that is that wrong it cannot be admissible in court.
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Maybe that's part of why they don't want any of these people to step foot in court
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I'm not sure why you think the courts would be involved.
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Potentially, but they have been detaining people before they can see a court and deporting them immediately, they don't care.
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Ha! Court.
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Yeah apps are known to be 100% reliable and without bugs.
::: spoiler Tap for spoiler /sarcasm :::
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I bet it just checks the colour of people's skins.
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Either that or it has database of who is US citizen or who is here on VISA or something, and if not it deports but it has many points of failure like your ID photo or whatever photo can be bald, but you in the meantime grew hair a little and here it can possibly think you are different person. Especially considering app being "definitive determination" according to screenshot and it overrides birth certificate, like I could see possibility someone getting falsely accused (hopefully not) because they changed their appearance a bit idk.
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I want everyone to be speaking like this, so I will lead by example.
If they fucking try it, I will kill them. Then and there.
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Doesn't mean a lot online, talking to a bunch of people who don't know you from Adam. Better to start speaking like this in person with your neighbors, preferably not in range of any recording devices. A single neighbor that knows that you're willing to raise up arms in their defense is worth more than any number of online strangers that you couldn't possibly help defend
On an unrelated note, the Second Amendment is not just for conservatives
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I have. I threatened to castrate a co-worker if he touches me again.
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yeeaahhhh goverment goons aren't gonna take me alive. Nobody should ever, ever go peacefully.
If you go peacefully, you are helping them. Don't go peacefully. Fight them.
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Don't kill. Maim. Make them ugly and weak. More useful than dead.
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Also, maiming makes them an overall drag on their family. So, not only would the shitstain suffer the consequences of signing onto a Nazi movement, but their family would be burdened by it too. Also, it would cause that maimed person to serve as a warning to other would-be shitstains: let this serve as a warning about what happens when you sign on. It's not just about the maiming, its about sending a message.
The Vietkong knew this and employed this mentality well in Vietnam.
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You want us in jail?
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Who would win?
An app connected to a server
1 itty bitty DDOS attack
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Error, couldn't reach server. Default judgment: guilty
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Is it time for LOIC to make a comeback?
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Double tap to declare guilty and deport. Single tap to deport
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I think it "overrides" proof of citizenship because of the numbers theyre told to deport. A "figure it out later, but get the deportation numbers now" scenario
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Yeah, in a way they're really just saying out loud the quiet part: that their job is to arrest people who "don't look right", quite independently of being an illegal immigrant, legal immigrant or even a citizen.
Having the "app" as an intermediary in the decision process is just a "computer says" way to isolate themselves from the responsabilities of what is in fact their choice (as the app was still configured/trained per their instructions so it's nothing but a computer agent dirctly or indirectly executing their instructions)
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This is analogous to drug sniffing dogs; the purpose isn't that the technique is valid, it's that is provides a plausible excuse for an action.
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The wording of "alien" is pretty disturbing in and of itself. Not illegal or anything, not "foreign", but "alien". Might as well just say "unwanted".
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I really really really hope that when this is all said and done, every single one of these people face consequences. And we all know what consequences the people want.
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Just like the Nazis!! Oh wait USA has pardon most of them, specially in Japan (They're still in power)
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Boomerberg trails.
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This'll be used as a scapegoat when the trials begin.
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"I was just following (apps) orders!"
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The app is just that Family Guy colour chart.
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Amazing. An app decides if a human being goes to the camps. What a time to be alive.
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IBM: first time?
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Thank you!
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Might be time to pick up some anti face recognition glasses…
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wearing face mask as the ice people are doing, also probably wear something that cant be yanked off easily.
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If the Israelis have rolled it out in Palestine then it’s coming to a theater near you! See: The Palestinian Laboratory. The Palestinian Laboratory. .
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Wait, like match = definitive OK? Or no match = definitive OK? Or no match = definitive not OK? I ask because the details are quite bedeviled.
The first is relatively benign, since it would be a “greedy” OK-list that errs on the side of leaving people alone and otherwise, in a no-match case, requires using traditional methods for identity verification. That kind of app would be the equivalent of Global Entry or TSA Pre-check, an efficiency measure to wave familiar faces through.
The second is worse because it acts as an overconfident not-OK-list that usually errs on the side of leaving people alone but doesn’t account for false positives.
The third is what the headline implies. It’s an OK-list that aggressively errs on the side of “not OK.” The only reason to make an app like that is computer says no.
Regardless, fuck ICE. Fuck Trump.
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If they scan your face and it says you're illegally in the country then you're getting arrested, no matter what evidence you have to the contrary.
False positives are arrested and held in custody until the legal system can get to them.
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That’d be case 3: when in doubt, detain. Blatantly illegal.
What made me think that it wasn’t that case was that OP mentions app specifies whether or not an order of deportation had been issued.
If that is one of several possible “detain” conditions, the app would function like case 2. If that was the only trigger for detention, the app would function like case 1.
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Dude. Its an extra excuse. Everything is an excuse. Please stop pretending there's coherent reasoning or consistent logic here. It's all pure exercise of power shit.
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Wait, like match = definitive OK? Or no match = definitive OK? Or no match = definitive not OK? I ask because the details are quite bedeviled
I think the app tells them either way.
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Corporate data superseding government data. Can't image how this could possible end badly. /s
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"Computer says no."
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God fucking damn it you beat me to it by mere moments
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Life comes full circle Nazis did genocide to Jews so now Israeli are enabling Nazis, while carrying out genocide of their own.
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They can't get biometric data from a face though.
Unless they have 3D scanning cameras baked in, there is no way for the camera to know the real depth of the face features.
This sounds like they're just scanning faces against a set of identified easy targets. If they get a match of an easy target they kidnap that person.
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The app just determines skin color and goes from there.
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They can’t get biometric data from a face though.
Are you sure this is up to date information?
Edit: The reason I say this is because of this post: https://sh.itjust.works/post/48773975/21833637
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Yes. Biometric data is a unique pattern for certain biological features. Fingerprints are an easy one, the retina is another. These are relatively simple 3D projections onto a 2D surface. The distances between pattern landmarks are recorded as the biometric data.
This is facial recognition at most. Facial recognition is flawed, as it isn't a 3D projection onto a 2D surface, it is a 3D projection estimated from a 2D image.
Without the actual distance measurements and ratios, there is no "biometric signature." It could be done, but like I said, you'd need 3D cameras, and phones are not capable of processing that.
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or, it gives them an excuse to detain people.
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Won't it be super FUN when we use our own App to find them all and bring them to court to face their trials and sentences? I'm staying in super good shape just because...
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There's a reason why Google is banning sideloading... its not a coincidence
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It's because Apple is getting away with it, and they want to use their own play store to force you ads.
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Well... they're definitely deporting Obama
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Make sure they do Melania too.
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Dude. You know they won't.
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That's right up there with using dowsing rods to find ley lines to find witches to burn.
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Dowsing rods are basically chance. Facial recognition has well known problems with non-white faces.
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If we feed in enough images of trump from videos, bet one will say he's not a citizen.
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There's gonna be SOOOO many lawsuits over this.
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nah, in next step all lawsuits will be expelled
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Except the ones from Trump and his cronies. :|
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I can't believe nobody has noticed this in their rage boner, but this is double hearsay. Some dude said that he was told by other dude that this is going on.
I'm all for people fearing and even hating ICE, but this one smells funky.
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I mean... to be fair, a lot of news stories are just heresay witness testimony.
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So do some of the comments here.
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sorry but did anybody expect ICE "agents" to have functioning brains?
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The next step is to set this app up to declare anyone who is known to criticize Trump as an illegal alien.
America, WAKE THE HELL UP RIGHT NOW.
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so thats what big balls was doing
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Rules and procedure is great but what people do is all that really matters. Deferring to the list provided and 'just doing my job' is not a justifiable reason to commit crimes against humanity.
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why the fuck even bother?
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On the bright side, you can definitevely change your gender at birth just before you get shot. So that's a thing.
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change your gender at birth just before you get shot.
At school? Or, do you mean in the coming Republicans' planned genocide?
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Oh, either or, or both are likely. What repugnant hell...
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WTH are you talking about
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I have no idea, but I get things right more often than AI, so... organic response?
It was meant to speak on the importance of identity affirmation for trans people, but with a dark lilt, given the shitty nature of current society.
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of course the app creators intended it to be used like that. anyone in that field knew exactly where things were likely to head because they always head that way. if you hadn't paid attention to that type of surveillance technology that you might not know but these people definitely did. They wanted it, they got it, and now they're pretending to be embarrassed.
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I missed the part where this is even remotely legal.
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Legal? This administration is run by the convict-in-chief.
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We've got an issue here. It won't let me see the post. I believe you, but is there an archive version of this?
Edit: Here is the original article: https://www.404media.co/ice-and-cbp-agents-are-scanning-peoples-faces-on-the-street-to-verify-citizenship/
Archive link since that's behind a paywall: https://archive.ph/C7jJu