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  • It's almost as if one object perpetually moves something that creates a form of motion perpetually to continuously move that first item. Like a continuous motion machine or perpetual movement apparatus. Something like that. I feel like my naming is close, though.

  • So you're on your ebike, going 15mph. Using 140w or so. You're spending 15-20w on the drivetrain, and the remainder is entirely aerodynamic drag. You're putting 120-125w into making wind move. You're also losing 5-10 watts to the drive electronics and dashboard. So your total power use is 150w.

    If you're going to recharge a battery. In the same time it takes to ride, you need to get at least 150w of power into another battery. Sadly, batteries don't actually "just cleanly charge" there are some losses, but since we're going to take an hour to charge it, lets call it 5%. So to fill up that battery we need 157watts of input power.

    Your bike, moving at a steady speed, is absorbing 150w of power. If we want another 155w of power, where is that going to come from? If we take it from.. say.. the front wheel, we are now absorbing another 155w of power. So to maintain the same speed, we now need to push the bike along with 305w of power. And.. now we need a bike that makes 305w of power, to go the same speed we were going with 150w. .... And we're only generating 155w.

    There is no free lunch. If you're doing work, you need to get that power from somewhere.

    • Counterpoint:

      Hills exist, go down them.

      Like, the whole point of these things, at lesst as I see them, is that you get that free lunch on the way down a hill, then when going up a hill, well yeah, you still aren't gonna like, be 1:1 be able to power right back up it, but it will be easier going up that hill than if you did not have your free energy lunch on the way down.

      This then results in you not needing to expend as many literal calories going up a hill, so now, you don't need as much food to recharge after a ride, thus you do actually on net come away with at least a portion of a 'free lunch', in that you don't need as much food.

      But yes, I will give you that... the overall weight added to the bike from the batteries would have to be in a manageable range, so that the uphill assistance is not just entirely used on uh, pulling its own weight.

      • The problem with "go down a hill" is that the LinkedIn idiot wants to use the power of one motor to generate power in the other. Regenerative braking only needs one motor and it acts as a generator when braking.

      • You do get about 5-10% more range with regen on an ebike, the downside is it needs to be a hub motor which sucks at climbing hills, and one with no internal clutch which means pedaling with the motor off wastes a ton of energy.

  • I mean... regenerative braking is a thing.

    My hybrid Prius C had this, and yes, you actually can build up some useful amount of charge from just rolling down a decently large or long hill, and you can also run the car on pure EV mode, though you're probably not gonna top 20 mph on a flat road.

    Obviously this does not create an over unity situation or perpetual motion machine, but, if this guy can figure out a way to put a regenerative braking type device onto an E-Bike, or maybe motorcycle/moped, in a way that isn't stupid expensive...

    That could increase overall range, and I think it would be neat.

    Though I... don't really know why you wouldn't just use one battery for the whole system, just have a modulation/regulation system for it.

  • Fun fact, similar tech is already widely used, in gas cars too, that's how the battery is charged :)

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