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Perpetuating the myth that student loan forgiveness means “your taxes are paying off student loans,” when it really means “government is telling banks to fuck off with their excessive interest rates on student loans.”
Tax money isn’t going to the banks* or the students. The students have usually paid off the loans, and are now struggling with the interest debt. The gov’t telling the bank to give up on that debt isn’t hurting anyone, but the bank doesn’t get as much profit as they could have - and since the banks own the senators & media outlets, we get the myth that student loan forgiveness means “taxes paying off student loans.”
*note - I think some deals do include the gov’t giving the banks some money to “cover their (imaginary) losses.”
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Also in the US, the bottom 50% don't pay a dime in federal income taxes.
Also the concept of "MY" tax dollars is super selfish.
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at least here the student loans are given out directly by the state. which means the state sets the interest rate. for the past 10 years, it has been 0%.
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Hot take: banks shouldn't get rich just from handling other people's money.
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Then fix the interest rates. Set them to 0% and do a mandatory income based repayment with a subsidy reduction from the graduating institution to incentivize them to help place graduates in better positions. If you hit the institutions with non-placement claw-back fees they will help.
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can we yeet all these individualistic, self-righteous fucks into a volcano already?
I'm so tired of having to convince these unempathetic, short-sighted dregs that caring about your fellow human is actually a good thing, and, y'know, kinda the whole basis to having a functioning civilization
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Preach
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I hear they're selling 9mm volcanoes like hot cakes. Got yourself some if you're sanguine about it.
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Our ancestors worked 16 hours a day 6 days a week. Maybe we should go back to that just to be fair. My grandparents didn't have the polio vaccine better stop that too.
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Jesus fuck... don't give them any ideas.
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"In the Middle Ages, people actually had more leisure time and more holidays than we do," cultural historian Witold Rybczynski tells ABC RN's Life Matters.
"Leisure was more important in terms of everyday life than the work. The work was harder and broken up much more … compared to today."
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Except, no?
Medieval peasants had SOOO many holidays.
It was a cheap way to keep them from violently revolting. Even then, it didn't always work.
Speaking of violent revolt against an oppressive system, where are we at?
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Medieval peasants had SOOO many holidays.
Holidays meant "you don't have to work for the lord who owns your land", but since they were subsistence farmers in the middle ages, that meant they still had to tend the animals and do the work on their own plots. They were absolutely still working during their "holidays".
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Speaking of violent revolt against an oppressive system, where are we at?
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Why does everyone think "ancestors" means medieval? The people I never met in the 1800s are ancestors too. So "Um ahkchually" right back at ya
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To be honest, that's exactly what many "conservatives" today want. They would be better described as reactionaries than conservatives.
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Regressive is the term you're searching for.
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We'll all become peasants who serve a lord and we'll call it natural living
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CEOs, "Sounds wonderful. Lets!"
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They would be delighted about the lack of vaccines
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Because "f u, I got mine" (and the other side of the coin too: "if I got fugged, so will you") is the one true creed in American society, and everyone that opposes it is a heretic/commie.
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Hooray for me and fuck you!
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Meshes nicely with their preference to socialize the losses (if I got screwed, gimme your tax money) and capitalize the gains (just gimme all your money) that they prefer in their kleptocratic or coporatocratic government style.
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Oof is not really the appropriate title.
The title should be whatever response you would make when somebody detonates a nuclear warhead directly inside of your soul.
If I was her, I would put my phone down and walk outside of my house into the woods and never return.
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Do we know if she supports paying for her son's incarceration?
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Oh gawd I hope this is real....thats
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I know this is not the point, of the post, but what the hell do they mean by calling the raped teen a Battlefield teen? Was she a pro gamer?
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I think that's the town where it happened.
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Ohh I see, thanks
Battlefield is named for its proximity to the 1861 Battle of Wilson's Creek, one of the first large battles of the American Civil War.
It would not have occurred to me that you'd call a town that.
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It's the city not the game.
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The show-me state strikes again
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An Oklahoma man accused of sneaking into a teenage girl’s bedroom in the middle of the night in Battlefield and then raping and assaulting her was sentenced on Friday, Jan. 24 to 20 years in prison.
Patrick Shane Sparkman, 41, entered Alford pleas of guilty to the charges of first-degree rape and first-degree sodomy. As part of the plea agreement, prosecutors dropped one count of sodomy, two counts of molestation of a child between the ages of 4 and 17, one count of enticement of a child and one count of third-degree assault.
According to online court records, Greene County Judge Kaiti Greenwade sentenced Sparkman to 10 years for the rape charge and 10 years for the sodomy charge and ordered those sentences be served consecutively.
An Alford plea under Missouri law means a defendant does not admit they committed a crime, but admits prosecuting attorneys have enough evidence against them that a court could reasonably convict them of a crime.
Charging documents described Sparkman as someone who’d been living in Battlefield at the time of the assault on Dec. 31, 2023, but had few ties to the area. He was arrested on March 29, 2024.
According to the probable cause statement used to charge Sparkman, he “claimed he had no memory of the event ever happening. He stated he had been drinking heavily during the day which amounted to what he described was a ‘handle’ of alcohol.”
A handle of liquor is a 1.75 liter bottle of liquor; it has 39 1.5-ounce shots in it.
The victim told police the assault lasted about two hours. She also told police she told Sparkman “no” several times and that Sparkman at one point choked her.
The probable cause statement says the investigating officer contacted the Stillwater, Oklahoma, police department about a “past rape charge” against Sparkman and obtained information that case involved a 10-year-old victim.
Sparkman is from Oklahoma and has no ties to Battlefield, according to court documents.
Sparkman remains in the Greene County Jail awaiting transport to a Missouri Department of Corrections prison.
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The probable cause statement says the investigating officer contacted the Stillwater, Oklahoma, police department about a “past rape charge” against Sparkman and obtained information that case involved a 10-year-old victim.
Fuck it. Burn it all down. I think dolphins are next in line. Let's hope they do better than we did.
EDIT - Goddammit I forgot dolphins are extremely rapey too.
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You know what? I'm convinced. If the mother of a rapist pedo doesn't want to forgive student loans, she's probably right about government policy. In fact, she should run for office. /s
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Run for office? Are you out of your goddamned mind?! We can't have a woman president! /s
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I'm not saying you're wrong, because it could very well be the case, but it doesn't mention in the post that he is her husband-son.
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You went to school, got the degree, and accepted the terms of the loans. Welcome to adulthood.
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Ah yes, the I suffered so should you argument
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No it is more an argument of responsibility. Many students didn't go to college because they researched how much it costs, the terms of the loans, and made the decision they could not afford it. These are the people being cheated and I don't support that.
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What happens if your school loses accreditation or you get kicked out for protesting in the wrong way?
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What happens if your school loses accreditation
Ooo ooo I know this one! That's when you get a letter in the mail saying the feds have taken over your loan, the month payments start being due, and literally no other information. And then you call them and ask where to send payments and they say to send it wherever you had been sending it, seemingly missing the part where they just took over the loan. And then life happens and you realize you haven't made payments. So you call and get the same runaround. And then you call later and give them an address update when you move, ask them about paying, and get treated like you have three heads. And then a few years later you get a very angry letter that the loan is in default. So you call and explain, and the person on the other end treats you like human filth, barely stopping short of using obscenities. So you hang up to let your anger simmer down, call back, and speak with "a manager." Explain the whole thing top to bottom. That's when you find out that when they took over your loan seven years ago, they immediately put it into the delinquent bin even though it was quite fresh at the time. And everyone you've talked to since just assumed you were a deadbeat.
Then you pay off the loan total using a credit card (because it's thousands of dollars and you're broke) and pay the interest again.
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You're missing the part where, because of federal interest in schooling loans (because the government wants a well-educated population, typically), you have a captive market with colluding loan companies that abuse said federal interest to jack up education prices and interest rates. In other words, you don't have an option but to accept the 'terms' of the predatory loans unless you don't go to college.... except the federal government wants you to go to college.
So student loan forgiveness is basically the federal government yanking the collusion back and going "no, they pay off the loan and a REASONABLE AMOUNT OF DEBT, and the rest of the absurdity you're trying to shovel gets canceled because it should have never been tried in the first place."
And then conservatives whine and cry about their tax money going to 'paying off student loans" because conservatives are idiots that can't comprehend why a rich person would lie to them.
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This women doesnt want to pay for someone elses university degree, she cant have that opinion, lets hang her!
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"Hitler doesnt want jews but thats just like, his opinion, nothing wrong with that"
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All three people here are terrible
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Go ahead, explain, what did the guy answering her question do wrong, exactly?
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The question asks why the audience's student loans should be repaid now when hers were not. The response is that the reason is the same as paying for her son's prison sentence for raping a minor, which is "betterment of society". Let's count the number of ways this fails:
- "For the betterment of society" is a justification that could be used for pretty much any defensible policy decision. It really doesn't further the argument at all unless there is something specified about how paying student loans makes society better.
- RAPING A MINOR is in caps both to indicate shoutiness and to emphasize this aspect of the crime, which again, is hard to tie back to an argument about student loans
- The main failure - the fact that it's a blatant ad hominem directed at the poster for having a son who raped a minor, which is an evidently successful attempt to hide the weakness of the purported argument by casting the OP as someone whom one would not want to be associated with by virtue of being a parent to a rapist. This implied argument, which is the real argument, is invalid in the absence of evidence that rapist-parents cannot have valid opinions.
- It's also a particularly egregious example of an ad hominem because it relies on guilt/worthiness by blood relation, the same concept behind ideas like racism and even worse, inheritance.
Better answers might include:
- Education costs have risen to a degree that the fairness calculation is now different
- Student loan debt is a threat to the whole economy and just as bailing out banks sometimes makes sense, bailing out student loan holders might as well
- Financial inequality is out of control and we should dispense with antiquated notions of "fairness" to the wealthy when circumstances have been more fair to them overall than at any time in the past
But these answers would not get reposted on social media as much because they don't play into tribalism and social drama.
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