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4mo ago

Should Lemmy.ca defederate from Maga Place?

https://fedidb.com/servers/maga.place

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- Let’s go!
- Will piefed.ca follow suit?
  
  piefed.ca is also set to auto-defederate from any instance defederated by: lemmy.ca.

As both a Canadian and an American, yes please. Nothing good comes out of MAGA.
- Same situation, same answer. Fascists and nazis must be deplatformed. Let them have their echo chamber all to themselves. Defederate.
- How . . .
  
  Dual Citizenship maybe?

Yes, please.

Fuck them. Lemmy is Canadian.
MAGA, the people who want to make Canada their 51st state, can fuck right off.
However, I do find it funny these "American patriots" feel they need to use Canadian servers to exercise their free speech. Their Orange god is completely against free speech. They should embrace that instead.
Edit: Sorry. I misunderstood how this maga place this was hosted when I made the comment. I thought it was on lemmy.ca but I see now how it's hosted and shared.
- However, I do find it funny these "American patriots" feel they need to use Canadian servers to exercise their free speech.
  Canadian servers? what do you mean? fedidb does not show server location to me
  
  You're correct.
  The A record for the domain name maga.place resolves to 216.144.226.200, which is under the 216.144.226.0/24 prefix of AS36352 (HostPapa). The prefix being used is registered to madgenius.com, which is a hosting provider registered in the United States. Curiously, that provider even has their own ASN (AS55154) that's not being used here.
  It's also a shared IP address. The address itself resolves to suportefiscal.aptosclinica.com.br. when you perform a reverse lookup.
  As for the domain name itself, a quick whois lookup points to Namecheap. The MX records corroborate this, pointing to registrar-servers.com.
  In any case, the server itself is hosted in Virginia. The hosting provider used is an American company either owned by or reselling services from a Canadian company.
  
  This is a 1-day-old account and they also said "Lemmy is Canadian", so I'm presuming that they think that defederation means to remove this like it were a community.
  Although even so they aren't wrong: federation with Lemmy.ca means to help spread their messages using Canadian servers:-).
- However, I do find it funny these "American patriots" feel they need to use Canadian servers to exercise their free speech.
  No, actually they have their own server which is maga.place.
  In the Fediverse, independent servers automatically synchronize with each other to publish their content. However, it is possible to cut the link with another server to avoid its publications from showing up on our own server.
  
  No, actually they have their own server which is maga.place
  I see that now. I misunderstood how they were hosted.

Yes. Build a wall.
- And make MAGA pay for it!
  proceeds to send them the invoice
  
  Good luck with that - Trump never pays his bills, & I expect no different from MAGAts.

Yes, this shouldn’t even be a discussion. There’s no room at the table for fascists.

Yes please, no point in taking any chances.

I vote yes.
We don’t need to federate with a safe space for spreaders of hate and conspiracy theories.
At worst, that instance will become another Grad with trolls that piss everyone off. At best, it’ll be a cluster of people and content I’m just going to block anyway.

Defederate from 1 user? 🤣
- It’s always good to self contain problems before they get worse.
  
  Yep, and let’s not forget that MAGA started as a fringe movement… it’s like some people still refuse to fucking learn.
- If Nazi.whatever pops up Id want to defederate from that too if they had 1 member
- lol 1 user! Yes, by all means, block and defederate.
- To be fair, there's @fuckamerica@maga.place that's been a real trooper on that instance and posting anti-fascist stuff all over the place. The whole instance has been flooded by them lol!
  Maybe that's what we should do, just turn it into an anti-Maga instance by flooding it with anti-fascist posts and comments.
- Excise a stage 1 cancer?

Yep. Fuck em

I think everyone should. that's the whole point of having a decentralized federation system: different people on different instances can decide what's to Nazi for them to tolerate. Not like Xitter where one dude decides what's the acceptable level of Nazi everyone should see every day.

any instance they label themselves maga are usually up to no good, its a launch point for trolling/russian backed propaganda.

Should Lemmy.ca defederate from a Nazi instance? Yes. Let's not have their fascist propaganda leak into our instances.
- Curious. I just a quick scan on their instance and see no Nazi stuff. Got any examples?
  
  They deleted one of the communities that had a rainbow confederate flag with Nazi swastikas on it.
  
  Curious. Curious.
  Who else was famous for saying "curious"?

The paradox of tolerance is a philosophical concept suggesting that if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance; thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance.
Wikipedia
- How do you determine the threshold for when it can no longer be tolerated? How do you put this into use without being the very thing you are trying to eliminate?
  
  Maybe it’s difficult to establish a precise threshold, but Nazis in general and MAGA in particular are way beyond any reasonable one.
  
  Probably when they weaponize tolerance of their intolerance to further their intolerance and cause objective harm.
  
  Its pretty easy to spot
  The Moment someone tells me what to do, without telling me in what way my actions are actually hurting someone else, I tell them to fuck off
- ![(https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/6058c6dc-0505-42ce-a732-f89b9f19e5ac.jpeg)]

Kill it before it lays eggs..!

They are heavily moderating and removing any counter argument. So: YES, defederate!
- Tbh Lemmy.ml is pretty famous for that as well, so if THAT is the reason, perhaps defederate from both?

ArtemZ
FYI, their single mod/admin uses slav name Artem + Z letter associated with pride in russian modern war efforts. I don't think it's genuine. Probably a prep for some concern trolling campaign in the future or whatever that was discovered (c/antifa) by a shitposter, or, I suppose, their alt persona for different usecases.
- It is super clear to me it’s just a troll. A committed troll.

Get them the fuck out of here

I don't think there's any value associating with racists, sexists, homophobes, transphobes, or traitors.
So, yes.

1 user
Lol

No one should ever tolerate intolerance.
Yes, get them the fuck away from us.

Guy from US here ... This is our cancer .. get away from the stupid .
- Cut that fediverse invasion contingent out.

Preferably but I can block it easy enough but I’d love it for this place not to get overrun with those annoying, pathetic fucks

Yes, please.

Uhh... duh? Is that even a question? Of course we should ditch the chuds LMAO

Is the sky blue? This is why the fediverse exists.
Although it would be jumping the gun a bit too soon, you have to let them incriminate themselves. Give them a few weeks and enjoy watching them wasting their time trying to appear to be good faith participants. Then clamp down on them hard when the inevitable hate starts spewing out. Be quite upfront about what you are doing, in fact warn them and their users they will likely be defederated in the future due to the expected devolution of discourse from anyone identifying themselves as such.

B-B-BuT tHe ToLeRaNt LeFt!!!
It's not now or never, but why wait?
- They have mistaken the left's tolerance for weakness. Now they will find out that we can fight, too.

No censorship? Does that mean the rest of us can go in there and shit on their terrible opinions?

Do it before it's too late.

Yes lol, lemmy shouldn't be accepting of these kinds of people. Accepting fascists onto your site is how your site gets ruined for the marginalized groups who have made it their home. It doesn't matter how civil they pretend to be, don't give them an inch

Fuck the magats and their orange narcissist god. Canada doesn't need to have ANY association with them and their trade war against us.

Visiting the server is confusing. The only MAGA bullshit i can see is the title and logo, the sole account has posted all antifa and "hard left" content as well as being a \c\antifa moderator.
Maybe it's a legitimate "hard left" or maybe it's a wierd attempt at a false flag "the left is our enemy" construction.
Could someone more knowledgeable on US politics, with more articulate critical skills than me, give a more detailed breakdown of this content structure?
- It looks like there are only 3 communities; a meta for the server, Israel, and ANTIFA. The server owner created the first two and the antifa one is created by a troll who has made most of the posts on the server with the single exception of one post the server owner made to the meta community (an RIP charlie kirk post).

I would. That's the advantage of federated social media. They're welcome to their little corner of bullshit, and rest of us don't have to listen.

Yes wtf

Duh. Remember that time where a MAGA person listened to facts and logic, not emotion? Yeah, me neither...

I thought it was a parody instance.
- It will be after we overflow it with tgirl accounts

Yes! Let them be pariahs if they're going to spout that shit

Isolate them

yeeehuuupppp

It's got like 5 users... Unless they're actively causing trouble i would be in favour of not defederating.
That said, i'm not a .ca user so it doesn't really matter to me
- Tolerance of the intolerant is unacceptable, no matter how few there may be.
  
  The right wing movement continues to grow. you can assist them in locking themselves away in their bubbles where their ideology will continue to grow and fester or you can help address the problem and start winning hearts and minds.
  There is no other way out of this mess
  
  Good thing we're all tolerant, and all of our political opposition isnt! We really dodged a bullet there...
- Yeah but thats the perfect time imo. Better to do it now while there is no value than if it gets big and ca users have to abandon a community they may have been participating in (not every community is necessarily related to the main theme of the instance)

1 user?

I am saying to not defederate. This instance of the Lemmy is entitled to benefits of white Western culture such as the cloud computing, subsidized fiber communications, and language. As great leaders such as President Putin have said, there is no need to fear for degenerates will be stomped on by the heel of righteousness.
Also I am a loyal member of the Canada who am a socialist and having the blue hair where I work at your Canadian Tire.
(/s)
- 4/7, needs more usage of the definite article

Yes please! 🇨🇦

I don't get that place. It looks like there are 2 users, and the mod is posting lefty articles and the admin seems to be in opposition to that coming from the right.
example: https://maga.place/post/1084
- All the posted content is antifascist or anarchist leftish stuff. Seems like the first user has decided to make this MAGA site as offputting as possible to actual MAGA, or to attempt to expose them to saner views. If it becomes a real MAGA space then defederate, and in the meantime pass the popcorn.
  On second thoughts, just block it.
  
  https://maga.place/post/1397