Missed it by that much

Also, these oligarchs don't realize that they're going to be robbed just like the rest of us when the time comes. If they don't do exactly what trump and putin want, they'll either fall out of window or have to spend the rest of their lives hiding. These will be remembered as the good ol' days.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_deaths_of_notable_Russians_since_2022

More people didn't vote at all than let this demented rapist burn everything down.

Fucking idiots.

You can't just blame a group of people for anything though, it's not like geographic boundaries determine morality.

Instead you gotta look at what happened this last election. Yeah there was inflation, and the polls point to that as a thing that swayed a lot of people. But the bigger factor was media capture by far-right oligarchs. The top cable news station, the top podcast, and the top social media network for news were all turned into maga propaganda this election. In that environment, the only question is why was it so close?

And unfortunately, until that changes the next elections are going to be the same. Trump's approval is down, but it's still higher than it was at this point his last term.

I think 100%. Both these parties don't work for middle class. Exceptions are Bernie and AOC. Without a third party pressure, we cannot win this oligarch war.

Idk, I can respect where you're coming from, but this meme feels more to me like a counter to people who are saying "Trump won, this is what America voted for, if you fight against his agenda you're fighting against the will of the people" etc. type crap

Totally agreed that just hoping things will work out fine isn't any kind of plan, but a reminder that the average human being doesn't like what's happening right now can help people feel a little less crazy when they're staying informed about current events

I don't read it that way

The only significantly statically impactful group of "non voters" is the population that was unable to or inconvenienced heavily by voting.

Meaning the major majority of voters that didn't vote were either unable to because of other obligations (work, childcare, etc) with a small subset of that being people that were no motivated enough to deal with the inconvenience of visiting a poll line (4hours in line) after a 10 hour shift.

These are the vast vast majority of people that did not show up. Beyond that an even smaller percentage was the "protest voters' that even if 100% of which went to Harris she still would have lost.

I guess I just want to say "in conclusion" that the vast majority of voters that didn't vote were giving you your Starbucks or your Taco Bell.

I think we should spend less time blaming voters and more time being critical of the politicians and party that gives zero reason for the working class to "risk" their shift for.

No one's gonna "risk a shift" for the policies and messaging that Harris communicated. You don't get people to "risk their shift" for voting for a lesser evil.

I voted, and my vote definitely did not matter. Nor will it until we completely overhaul the election system, getting rid of the electoral college and first past the post. I don't think that's going to happen either until politicians acquire enough fear to offset their greed.

The most complicit are the genocidal wackos who nominated a cop/prosecutor that campaigned to the cheyneys.

Nobody should be shamed into voting for trash.

https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/

Or suppressed. I'll give some anecdotal examples. I have a friend that lives in a major metropolitan area with over 2.6 million people. When he applied to get a photo ID (he lost his previous one and needed a new one), the soonest appointment available for the entire metropolitan area was 3 months out. That's just for the appointment to apply for the ID, not actually receiving the ID. You are required to have a photo ID to vote. Then, voter registration in itself must also be completed at least a month before an election. Now, let's talk about the process of actually voting. I've personally stood in line for over 6 hours to vote. A lot of the people waiting in line had to leave to pick up their kids and other things. If you don't pick up your kids from school or daycare at very specific times, there are serious penalties. While I was waiting, there must have been at least 40 people in front of me that had to leave before voting. Many of them had waited in line for over 4 hours. For most people, waiting in line is the only way to vote. Only the elderly and disabled qualify to vote by mail. Make no mistake, voter suppression is very effective, and it is implemented specifically in areas that vote against what the ruling party wants. In Trump leaning areas, the lines were no longer than a two minute wait if they existed at all. Trump never would have won either election if it wasn't for voter suppression.

If you live in a blue state and didn't vote, how are you complicit?

You lot never blame the dem leadership for making their biggest funder AIPAC/Israel, and allowing AIPAC funding to completely steer the party platform, the candidate choice, and the course of the race. Somehow Dem leaders are simply immune from blame in your eyes, even when AIPAC steers this outcome straight to a loss and Israelis said they never wanted the dems to win anyway.
The dems losing was much more desirable to AIPAC than a non genocide dem entering the race. The polls told dem leadership they were going to lose for the entire race and they decided to take the loss rather than give in to the no-to-genocide voters. AIPAC/Israel was more important to dem leadership than winning the race. Why do you still imagine that AIPAC supports dem voters or cares about America? You've learned nothing and you're on the way to lose some more. Did you hear Dem leaders talk about the needs of the voters very much? No. You didnt-- but you sure saw them get animated and passionate about supporting zionist war crimes.

For my vote, I wasnt going to lift a finger for any war criminal of any party, even if it meant this country burned itself to the ground. If the choice is murder lots of innocents or burn this place to the ground, I chose not to participate and let this place burn itself to the ground, and I'll do it again if needed-- so will lots of other people -- and theres nothing you can do about it. Dems cant win an election without them either.

So "blame" me on the internet all day, your boos mean nothing, I've seen what makes you cheer. I hope every dem leader gets to experience unemployment, and if it leads to revolution or "regime change" as we like to casually say it when its other countries suffering, then so be it. Its past time for this farce to "fundamentally change".

Maybe the pushback against trump we see all around social media is just the small loud minority.

I think so too. They are not big, just loud.

Maybe it’s time for the rest of the world to realize it’s not “just trump” but the USA as a whole is very racist, stupid and backwards country.

We knew.

As someone who lives in a pre-determined state... It's shocking how much these libs don't understand the electoral system at all.

Maybe it’s time for the rest of the world to realize it’s not “just trump” but the USA as a whole is very racist, stupid and backwards country.

Why do you think people refuse to vote for genocidal candidates? Sure, their votes don't matter but it's also that there's nobody to vote for.

It's kinda strange to complain that people don't vote while acknowledging that the whole system is racist trash.

~70% of the US adults either wanted trump or at least OK with him, and by extension are ok with the muskrat

Well, no. It sure looks like that from the corporate news spew, but no.

Yeah, it's pretty dumb. The popular vote is what should matter. That's the only way each vote counts as much as any other vote, which is like a basic principle of democracy.

Internalizing the "your vote only matters in purple states" will turn it into a self fulfilling prophecy.

Previously blue states have turned purple, previously purple states have turned red. Nothing is set in stone, although resting on your laurels (if your state is blue) or giving up (if your state is red) will all but guarantee that the changes will only happen in one direction: the bad one.

In 2020, Texas would have gone blue were it not for Ken Paxton purging mail-in votes, by Paxton's own admission.

Nothing is set in stone, so you need fight for every inch.

Well they’d still be able to vote in a gerrymandered district, but as far as voter suppression, it was at an all time high, in terms of ratfucking attempts, but it’s still small compared to the overall population of non-voters.

Pew research found that:

Among those eligible to vote who say they did not cast a ballot, 42% say they wish they had voted while 57% say they do not.

So. Don’t give a damn til their shit blows up in real time.

Some probably voted but their vote got thrown out so it didn't count.

That's 90 million people. Even if 33% couldn't vote due to ratfucking, that's still 60 million who didn't care and could've made a difference.

There were lawsuits happening for years around all that. The r's won a ton of those lawsuits.

...do you know what gerrymandering is?

Basically if Tim Walz was the presidential candidate he probably would have won.

Correlation is not causation. We elected Obama who was one of the youngest presidents in US history first term. Also he was Black. I'm not saying the country is sexist, but I am saying both the female candidates that made it the general election, ran on dog shit platforms of "more of the same"

While your logic does have a point, and there's no shortage of sexists out there, I must also state that both Clinton and Harris were horrid candidates as well, and both followed a democrat president the people were starting to/were done with.

Not only that, but both times Trump preyed on what the people were desperate to hear: "Better living conditions, lower prices" and all that. This was mainly the illusion of choice between two evils, and they chose the one that seemed to be the lesser one. The one who appeared to be "more honest" and despite being a nepo-baby called out and criticized all other rich people.

The issue is the system itself, and the fact that voters choose their candidates like celebrities or their sports team. See Harris making her campaign way more about celebrity endorsement than commiting to actual societal issues. She was never gonna win like that, and even if she did, she would still be a bad president. Not worse for sure, now that we all are seeing current Trump starting all sorts of conflicts and trying to become a dictator, but still a bad president.

The US can elect a female president. But so far the options picked for that were absolutely horrid, and I know there's several good and competent female leaders who are both democrats and republicans. Sadly they have too much common sense or lean too much to the centre to be taken seriously by the ones who want to create a spectacle.

Maybe the women weren't qualified? Clinton ran thinking her name would be enough. Kamala ran because she/they thought anyone except Joe could win. 36% who didn't vote are the true cowards in all this mess. Now a majority of Americans will suffer for 4 years because of lazy-asses who thought that not showing up to vote was a protest move. WRONG!

Tbf, we haven't had a good candidate from either party since Obama.

People forget that black men, many of whom were born slaves, got the right to vote before women.

If only things were that simple. Humans love to focus on just one reason, but when dealing with a population of voters you have to use statistics to understand anything about whats going on. I'm sure sexism was a factor but theres so much more than that.

So they reformed the state after ww2, right?

No such change here. People literally swear their lives to "defending" the olde slavermaster pact.

I vote that if "did not vote" wins, that means "nobody" wins, and therefore "nobody" is president for 4y, try again next time.

I also vote that we as a country take a que from Talkeetna, AK. We should elect a cat president, if one can be mayor why not? And a cat will do better than any human I've met, so..

That's the point. It's important these people think that each election is between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.

It's why Bernie wasn't allowed to win any primaries.

Plenty of people who don't vote give a shit, but feel that neither party gives a shit about them. Blame those who keep offering up shit candidates instead of those who won't bend over and be coerced into voting for shit candidates.

The top 10 states by voter participation are: Minnesota Colorado Oregon Washington Wisconsin Maine New Hampshire Michigan Iowa New Jersey

Those above as well as Virginia, Montana, Massachusetts, Vermont, North Carolina, Florida, and Connecticut have participation rates above ~70%. While a few swing states are in there, it's certainly not overwhelming given that I've listed about 40% of the states.

Of course the dems didnt win. How can an ostensibly leftist politcal party win an election based on support of another countrys far right-wing genocidal war, while standing for very little else, and while also reaching rightward for republican votes? Did you honestly think rhetorically waving a glock around and hugging Liz Cheney would simply work out?

The winners here who got exactly what they wanted were AIPAC, who also were the biggest funders of both american polictial parties.

So why blame the voters when its the dem party leadership and AIPAC who set this lose-lose scenario up? No anger for them at all huh. Completely innocent people? Clearly they are Victims of the awful voters and not the other way around, is our conclusion?

Yeah, no, that's not how that works. We've got the electoral college, remember? There were 20 states that went blue. Any additional votes to Harris in those states wouldn't have made Trump win less, refraining to vote in those states ultimately didn't matter. You need to look at the percentage of people that didn't vote in states that went red. But I get it, its easier to blame everyone who didn't vote than to use critical thought.

Yeah, pretending that it wasn't a landslide is a grand delusion.

In the US it's legal for corporations to create propaganda outlets which stream nonstop lies designed to get sensitive individuals to vote fascists. It's impossible to have democratic elections and have completely disinformed and propagandized voters. Yet even after killing hundreds of thousands of conservative voters the courts have sided with the propaganda outlets.

Complicit with genocide? That's everybody who voted actually.

Yeah, these numbers are generally brought up to "show" how weak Trump support is. But, what I see is that leftists are not a majority, even among people that give a damn. So, if leftists are going to make any progress, they need to take concrete actions with whoever they can agree with for that project, instead of attacking other leftists (because they didn't vote e.g.) and going no-contact with everyone that's not as ideologically pure as yourself.

We have to build consensus and lead by example before we can win at the polls.

If you abstained from voting in a blue state you voted for trump? Logic does not compute.

If you people want me to vote for your candidate, make sure they aren't just the "lesser evil."

Try doing something different next time if you want different results. Don't repeat the same mistakes.

Blame everyone who voted for hillary clinton in the 2016 primary for why we now have 2 trump presidencies. They're out of touch.

i voted (harris obv) but they apparently had issues with my vote and didnt count it until literally after trump won :)

Cannot disagree more and this kind of rhetoric is not likely to sway non voters.

Both options were bad.

You ran a shit candidate and lost, take the L and be better

If you DID vote for Harris, you voted for slightly delayed fascism. You didn't vote for democracy, you just voted for slightly delayed fascism. I know, I voted for her. Democracy wasn't on the ballot.

But what if you didn't vote because of the genocide in Palestine?

I'd say the lesser evil is the greatest ally of authoritarianism in this case.

People don't vote for democrats because democrats don't care about the working class. They just use the culture war as a distraction from the class war.

If useful idiots didn't vote for hillary clinton in the 2016 primary, we would've had 8 years of Bernie and 0 years of trump.

Instead, they just throw a woman up and say "hey guys! first BLACK woman president! Vote for us or you're a bigot fascist!"

Surprise surprise, that's not a winning strategy. Stop supporting the democrats who push it.

Fun fact: both times democrats ran a female president resulted in a trump presidency. In other words, 100% of female democratic presidential candidates lost to trump. If we follow history and want a fascist in office, let's run a female that doesn't care about the working class.

While I'm sure that was part of it, a lot of people didn't vote for other reasons as well. Someone I know who you would probably consider "left" didn't vote at all because of Harris supporting Israel (I'm aware trump is worse for Palestinians), and I know a bunch of other people I've spoken to online also didn't vote at all for the same reason.

Plus I suspect a lot of other previous Biden voters didn't vote at all for similar reasons, like possibly all party's are owned by the rich.

Bottom line, a class war is needed to get the rich in check.

https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/

He 100% cheated.

Yeah. American here. It’s generally the case that the president gets votes from a minority of the population. Nothing new there. Unfortunately those of us who live here can see that the support for this monster is very real.

It turns out politics is very complex and difficult to manage.

And what if they won't, what are you gonna do about it?

This is exactly the same argument that was levelled against Brexit.

In many, many concrete and specific ways Brexit was a test-run for trump. Same people, same money, same goals.

I get downvoted every time I bring this up too. However, the voters saw January 6th and they saw the repeal of Roe V Wade. If that wasn't enough to get your butt to vote then you're fine with this.

I still think big tech backed Trump because of Lina Khan. Well also the tax breaks. Urgh ...

This is downvoted...?

The fuck? I'm not fine with this outcome.

I'm also not fine with the outcome of harris.

Both suck, but what makes harris suck is that you people will think you're winning because you're losing slower. I refuse to fall in line because I will not support the idea that a slow loss is somehow a win.

If you people want different results, run different candidates! Otherwise, "you are fine with this outcome."

Well they were smart enough to get an updated passport anyway.

oh trust me, I did exercise my right to vote. I voted my entire ballot except the presidential race. I dont support republicans OR war criminals who promise that "nothing will fundamentally change". If you would bother reading the polls like an informed voter you'd understand that angle never had a chance to win. But if you'd rather whine after the fact on an anonymous website that doesnt even aggregate downvote/upvote counts, then be my guest, you're doing a real service for the world. Good job.

Exactly, having just over 30% of the population able to choose the President is NOT democracy.

Guess why some of these people didn't even bother to vote.

I mean, ~30 non-voting is, historically, really good

Things have been smooth enough in the last 80 years that people just don't think they need to.

They're wrong, of course. But this is a high-turnout election.

GOTV (Get Out The Vote) is always the actual part of elections. It's also why the republiQans have focused so much on destroying that part.