see a comment you disagree with. You downvote it.
That's much different than see a comment you disagree with, then go to every single post and comment the person has made and downvote it. Then create a fucking bot to downvote it. Which has happened and been documented plenty of times on Lemmy.
I've been banned from communities I never even heard of, much less visited. Seem like places i don't wanna be anyway then.
It's why I dislike the entire voting system. Too many people abuse it and try to generate narratives.
On the other hand, I'm not THAT passionate about it. It's fucking Lemmy. No one has even heard of Lemmy, few people are here, and internet points don't mean anything in the real world. People take all of this way too seriously. They can change the voting system or not, I'm not that invested in it either way. We're already starting to stagment, and I think we are actually going to start getting smaller or start growing way slower.
It's too much for normies to figure out when it comes to joining. So only the nerdiest of nerds and many with compulsive/society issues join here. So it gets overly political and and overly passionate about the smallest things.
Sometimes the rollout can have avoidable harmful impacts though
I would say most times it's harmful in the beginning. But it happens and continue to happens. My rant is mostly about Lemmy's who are saying, "Ohhhh woe!!! Think of the artists!!! Oh Nooooooooo! My last Pokemon card looked like it has some AI on it! REEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!"
I'm saying we should think of the millions of people who barely survive every fucking day because of inequality and classism. Not just some fucking artist who can't illustrate their fav DnD wizards for a living!
the fact that it is becoming less and less viable of a career path is depressing. Far less people will pursue art even as a hobby in a society that requires working and won’t pay for art.
But that is true about anything. Wood working, farming, furniture making, clothes making, soap making, journalists. Even before AI,people stopped paying well for journalism. And yes, some midwest people DID love their job. I know, because I grew up there in the 80's when it all happened. I watched ENTIRE TOWNS die because of job loss. That's way worse and more impactful that some dude not being able to draw comics like he dreamed of.
I'm not saying loss of jobs should be celebrated, I'm saying it's no different that what has happened before. And I was also around in the 90's and 00's when mass layoff happened and white-color people shrugged and smugly said, "Learn to code." To fucking farmers.
Now those same people are crying about "coding" jobs on the horizon of being eliminated.
The vast majority of people work jobs they don't love and they aren't passionate about. Artists are not more special than anyone else. People who are truly passionate and want to create, will keep creating. Just less will be able to do it as a sole source of income. But MOST people have never gotten to do their passion as a sole source of income.
Especially worldwide. Peopl are fucking spoiled. "Oh the UA is so hard now." "So scary." "Art jobs are going away!"
Ya'll need to fucking go live in the real world and see how good we have it compared to everyone else. There are people that work their fingers to the bone, every day all day, just to survive. And do it all their lives.
And you people are crying about art jobs going away. Give me a fucking break!
Again, I'm not celebrating it. But that's not where your "sad" should be aimed. Your "sad" should be aimed at the class warfare that happens everwhere.
This isn’t the first career to get steamrolled by new tech. That’s just how society works: new tools replace old jobs.
Did you feel this bad when factory workers in the Midwest lost jobs to robots and outsourcing? What about when textile machines wiped out jobs in Alabama? Or when electric streetlights put out-of-work the guys who used to light lamps by hand?
Did anyone mourn the bank tellers who lost their jobs to ATMs?
My point is, artists aren’t more special than the folks who came before. Tech changes things. It always has.
I was a professional artist for 35 years, I did design, illustration, layouts for marketing companies. Now AI can do all of that faster and better. A company would be crazy to pay me what I used to make. And you know what? I’m fine with that. I embraced it. I love new tech.
People who still want to paint/illustrate by hand can. People who still wanna buy their stuff can. Probably not full time job doing it anymore. Just like anything else. They are not special. MOST people work at jobs they don't like to pay the bills, then do their passion on the side.
If ya have a family to feed, you don't cry about not getting a job to illustrate the latest Flash comic book or your favorite DnD dungeon guide. You go get a job and put food on the table. And draw on the weekends.
Welcome to life. And we still have it way easier than the generations before us did. I know. Because I'm old. As bad as you think things are now, it's better than when I was coming up.
Until we get UBI, we gotta deal with what we have. But the idiot capitalist duopoly here in the US that Lemmy worships, is very much against UBI, so that's gonna take a while.
Meh, I love AI, so...
But I’ve also spent the last few years watching dozens of friends and former coworkers lose their careers and their livelihoods en masse for no reason other than naked greed.
But that's not going to change. At all. No amount of boycotting or yelling about it on Lemmy is going to change it. Guess what, before artists, factory workers got taken over by new tech. Textile workers got taken over by new tech. Candle lighters got taken over by new tech. Horse and buggy makers got taken over by new tech.
Artists aren't any more special than any other industry. I was a professional artist for 35 years. Worked in marketing depts almost my entire career.
Adapt or die. But being upset about it doesn't change the tide. I jumped right in and I love AI art. Even tho it took over my industry. :)
What do people on Lemmy think their outrage is gonna do? It's already here. It's already in the vid games you all play. It's already in the DnD manuals you all read.
The Luddites here amaze me. If you feel so "sad" for those people, well then be sure to buy some of their original artwork. Nothing is making them stop. They just will have to do something else for a living. MOST people don't love what they do for a living. Artists are some precious group that needs to be protected. They can still do their craft.
Fair, but this happens in EVERY profession. Happened with people who sewed clothes, weavers, photographers (once a camera was on every single phone), now coders, etc. Also very few artists made money anyway. People who like to do art for personal and fun reason, still can.
Source: I used to be a professional artist/graphic artist for a living. I was able to do it for 35 years before I retired last year. It was always a grind, and very few could make it. Even though I was good enough for it to be my only paycheck for most of my career, I still love AI artwork. :)
World changes. People crying about it and "boycotting" lemmy communities because they don't like it won't change anything at all. Not even a little bit.
AI isn't going anywhere, regardless of how mad people on Lemmy are about it. Not only that, but a lot of nerdy stuff they do now like vid games, DnD, etc, already incorporate AI and will continue to do so. I still have contacts in the industry, I know what the marketing departments are doing. Lemmy won't even know what is AI and what isn't.
There are still people here who say "Oh just look at the hands!" Friends, there are lots of ai models that have figured that out.
Marketing teams aren't using ai that looks ai. Most food photos you see are ai. Most graphics you are seeing on vid game covers and ads are ai. Funiture ads are ai. You are already being duped because you think you "know AI" when you see it. Actually, no you don't. You know BAD ai when you see it. Good ai is something that you don't even realize is ai. And it's already everywhere. lmao
I think of that every single time someone goes off on me on Lemmy. Which is every day! Lemmy def seems to attract people with certain kind of personality trait that means they get obsessed and upset over the tinest things and can't understand context.
Yep, I agree with you.
I like it. That's the thing about art. Some people like it. Some people don't. You don't get to define what is or isn't art for me. I get to define it for me. That's what's so awesome about it.
Also, get used to it. AI isn't ever ever going away. This is just the beginning. So pace your hate.
Their issue isn’t that they want to avoid it, they want to stamp it out, they want it gone
Exactly this. These sorts of people don't want to co-exist. They want to bully us out of existence.
and even impersonated me for running such communities.
Sorry you've had to go through that. I have been through that too (and still have it happen). So I know how frustrating it is. People on Lemmy can be super weird.
I'm all for OP's solution, but like you, I don't it will solve much because of just how much people like to stir up drama. They won't use those tags to block, they'll use those tags to find and harrass.
Then people who hate ai should be grateful, because they don't want anything to do with that community anyway. :)
Yes, I would like to get rid of votes. Because people weaponize them, and people like you take advantage of them. If you don't agree with a community, just block it and move on. You don't need to go in and just do a long stream of downvoting.
In a perfect world, voting works. But lemmy seems to draw a crowd that seems to harbor more obsessive types who can't let something go.
Brah, you don't even like the community you're mad about! lol But you seem mad that now you aren't allowed to downvote there anymore.
The mod even gave you a chance to be unbanned, and you decided not to take him up on it. You brought it here to see opinions, and most of the opinions are that you are in the wrong. It is what it is.
Yeah, we need to make sure people like you and ideas like yours infest as few communities as possible.
That sounds like the very censorship you seem to be arguing against though.
I’m going to ignore you now.
Of course, you're free to ignore me. That is the right attitude! I would prefer people "ignore" and "block" rather than become serial downvoters.
Thanks, friend! :)
I think you’re making it out to be a bigger deal than it actually is.
Well, the developers did make it a feature to be able to ban based on voting.
We didn't always have that feature, it's relatively new. So I guess there were enough people asking for it that it became a thing. Also, you yourself mentioned that you were troubled at seeing the "normalization" of the practice, so obviously there are enough people seeing it as an issue that you have noticed it.
Also, you put too much value into the meaning of votes.
Again, I'd love if Lemmy got rid of the option to upvote/downvote. And just for background, I once had a guy who would take screen shots of how many dowvotes I had on my posts, then post that screenshot, and laugh about it and use that to argue to others that they should just bully me off of Lemmy. I won't say his name here, but he still mentions my name a lot. lol
Learn to deal with criticism.
There's criticism, and then there's the weird stalker types that seem to be on Lemmy that become serial downvoters. There are even some that create downvoting bots. Yeah, bots just to downvote. That has also been an issue that admin had to work on.
No voting at all, would solve it though!
We need to stop normalizing banning people for how they vote.
Here's the problem though. I’ve been a victim of downvote brigades. It usually starts with someone downvoting every single post in one of my communities. Fine, maybe they don’t like my politics. But then it spreads. They start hitting every community I run, even the non-political ones, and downvote everything I post. Eventually, they downvote every single post I make anywhere, just because it’s me.
Some people genuinely get joy out of doing that. They don’t read the post or care about the content. They just see a name they don’t like and hit downvote.
I’m not making this up. I saw it happen over and over. That’s why banning users based solely on voting behavior became a feature. It was needed.
So I started banning people who only showed up to downvote and never contributed. Once I did that, they stopped bothering those communities. They knew they couldn’t mess with me anymore.
Since then, serial downvoting has dropped across the Fediverse. People figured out they could get banned for it.
It wasn’t about disagreeing with information. It was about targeting people. I’m not saying OP did that, but that’s the pattern I’ve seen.
I personally would like to see votes be eliminated for the entire fediverse so the vote manipulators have no way to try to shape narratives.
You should have realised that you’ll likley disagree with almost anything posted there and should have just blocked it.
And I wish more Lemmy people understood this!
i look forward to the lemmy 1.0 feature “private communities” where only subscribers see posts.
Any idea when this feature comes out?
Brah, it's bad form to just go into a community and start downvoting every single article you see. YDI.
I'm seeing more and more Lemmys doing that to try to control their narrative. Not cool.
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