Banned from unrelated community after calling out Israeli propaganda lies

Way back, when I was still on .worId and PJ was newer, I once diffused an argument they wanted to start with me, simply by holding my ground and nicely picking apart their (admittedly bad) arguments. They seemed more interested in winning than what was actually correct and they admitted to having a temper that led to that behavior.

I thought they were an alright person, maybe just immature, until I discovered they had been forcefully arguing the opposite point with another person at the same time. That's when I blocked them.

Funny enough, I was actually assured that both the main admins at the time of the controversy with Drag were broadly onboard with my opinion - ie that I was willing to use Drag’s pronouns, but didn’t regard that as carte blanche to force people to call dragons real.

Firstly, yeah, no one was trying to force him to call dragons real, he just kept screaming that at the top of his lungs and My God he's STILL going. He very much equated being told he had to use a person's stated pronouns, in this case "drag", with being "forced" to call dragons real. I'd chase up the posts but I just can't fluffing care anymore.

You should never be in charge of anything else than your own diaper since you are unable to separate between being a mod and arguing with someone.

Secondly, as someone that's disabled and incontinent, this makes me so bloody depressed. Please be better than this when calling people out, it's ableism to treat incontinence like this. There's a reason that roughly 70% of incon folks (depending on the study) would rather have a limb amputated than continue to be incontinent.

(Edit: To clarify, the second quote here was the OP of this post, not PJ.)

Most of what you are saying is a lie? No one was saying the attack helicopter or litterbox stuff, nor were we defending trolls. What we said is use neopronouns when requested, and report trolls as usual. Refer to people as they ask or ignore them, don't feed trolls if you think someone is a troll.

People kept engaging with the trolls rather than doing what we asked.

Honestly, people have no idea how to engage with trolling these days (don't).

Edit: Oh look at your modlog history :/ not a great person are you

"I don't think this is real, I won't call you by that."

What is that if not misgendering?

They would tell someone who is using fae neopronouns that fae arent real. Directly from the thread, here. So yes, they don't believe in neopronouns, or they only respect neopronouns they deem valid. This isn't a misrepresentation. It's just what they said

Maybe the constant reality checks would be helpful for PJ but looks like this entire week long posting spree of starting fights isn't going to work. Maybe the next week of the same thing will?

Ahhh, ok. Thanks for clarifying. I was genuinely confused.

But PJ has been on a tear the last few days, and was clearly not in a place to be acting as a mod. He's been starting fights and baiting people all week and deserves some mandatory time off.

Hasn't this always been his behaviour? I blocked him and his alts long ago for these very reasons.

PJ does this a lot. The original post article was claiming that SA was being used as a 'genocidal strategy', which is an extremely bold claim and would need to show not only evidence of SA happening, but a coordinated and premeditated intent in order to drive Israelis from Israel.

No, the article stated "Israeli legal and gender experts" are claiming something like that, as reflected in the title. It also mentions "Hamas has denied its forces committed sexual violence against women or mistreated female hostages." The article is reporting on the claim, the evidence used to support it, and the limited amount the UN has actually been able to verify. It distinctly doesn't confirm it, because as you pointed out the burden of proof is high and doing so would be very irresponsible when it cannot be substantiated. PJ meanwhile doesn't claim anything more than the article does, at least in their post. In fact, it looks like the entire post including the title is directly lifted from the article.

The pull-quotes PJ is pointing to are acknowledging instances of SA - and really only acknowledging what little evidence beyond first-person accounting there is - but explicitly not 'systemic and coordinated' SA.

Agreed, neither article proves the Israeli claim. The UN report does disprove the Hamas claim that none of their forces are committing sexual violence, but it does not prove that it is systemic as the Israeli group asserts. That is an important distinction. I haven't seen PJ actually claim that it was systemic but they could be implying it by seemingly trying to use that quote as a contradiction to OP saying that it's an Israeli lie.

OP was pointing this out, even in his replies with PJ that he linked. PJ was ignoring the distinction and trying to bait a stronger reaction, and ended up banning OP as a result.

It's true that PJ didn't acknowledge the distinction. They may not have realized that was the source of the pushback. But regardless, I still don't think that's enough to say the ban was retaliatory. Mass-downvoting a community's posts is reason enough to ban someone from it. It's essentially brigading and even one user can be pretty disruptive with small communities. That's why I wanted to know if OP had been acting in a way that qualifies for a legitimate ban or not.

PJ has been on a tear the last few days, and was clearly not in a place to be acting as a mod. He's been starting fights and baiting people all week and deserves some mandatory time off.

I don't follow Lemmy politics enough to remember much of PJ's history other than that they are a big enough contributor to be a familiar name and that they were involved in some drama with 196. If they're going through something recently that's making them lash out, then I hope it gets better soon. They didn't seem particularly irritable from this interaction though.

Yeah I dug through the mod log and edited my post. Apologies for the unfounded accusation, but I hope you can see where I'd come to that conclusion.