And all the antivaxxers I ever knew sure like recreational substances too.

They're terrified of a (usually) dead virus/other bug in a tiny vial but will do ozempic, massive doses of ivermectin and god knows what else lol
- When scientists warned that milk could be contaminated with bird flu and pasteurized milk was safe, they started drinking raw milk en masse. There is no logic for them.
  
  Oppositional defiant disorder. Very well understood, researched heavily especially in young children.
  
  "Don't tell me what to do!" I'd bet reverse psychology would be pretty effective on these asshats.
  
  And then, a few of the less dense ones realized that raw milk was dangerous and they could reduce the risk by... boiling it.
  But they won't drink pastuerized milk.
- mRNA vaccines carry a code for your cells to produce the viral protein shells, so not only is not a living virus, it's never been the virus and could not be more harmless.
  It's also impossible for it to alter your DNA.
  What it could do is be weaponized to produce prions or whatever but the dummies never cry about that (because you can disprove it easily)
  
  Your big words scare anti-vaxxers.

My favorite hypocrite is Jenny McCarthy who obviously has never met a cosmetic injectable she doesn't like but was one of the foremost anti-vax idiots out there.
Botulism toxin injected directly into my face - 🌞🎶😁👄👅
A vaccine preventing measles mumps and rubella - 😵‍💫☠️💀❤️‍🩹👎
- Botox is actually super helpful for a number of legitimate medical reasons, which a lot of people don't know. Migraines, limb contractures, anal fissures as a few examples.m
  I hope Jenny McCarthy stubs her toe.
  
  Can we swap that with falls feet first into a wood chipper at 75 percent power?
- Yeah, but botulism is all natural.
  
  Only all natural 100% organic toxins injected into my face! 😤
  JK, I'll also take any variety of filler you got to keep my face from caving in on itself.
  
  That's what I tell myself when I eat expired MREs!

They really came out of the wood work when the covid vaccines were released. Friends and acquaintances who were there munching down e's of unknown origin back in early 2000s suddenly had a different stance about putting something "unknown" in them.
- Pre pandemic i know one real life antivaxxer. Vut even then, kinda not really, he did vaccinate his kids, but he didn't like that he was forced too for school. Some real "don't tell me what to do, because i was gonna do it anyway" energy. To me antivaxxers were just the butt of online jokes.
  Post pandemic, i could name so many antivaxxers, it's insane. And they all have the dumbest takes imaginable. And they always try to convince you, but i never thought for a second that this person might be onto something. The last guy who talked to me about it was a friend of my dad. I know him for a ling time, but not well at all. He said that the pandemic was all planned, but not enough people died, so they have another one coming, and that's why he's not getting vaccinated. Wait, the government tries to kill people, it didn't work as well as they thought, but they also try to vaccinate people so they don't die? Why do they try to kill people? And his aswer was basically: "many people believe that." Motherfucker, i know you, you hang out with 5 people who are 60 to 70 years old and they are all reclusive alcoholics. It doesn't really matter what they believe.
  
  Most of the people I know who went antivax during covid are very specifically antivax about the covid vax only. They are afraid of the mRNA tech, they think it's going to modify their genes or some BS. It really is political BS though. During the pandemic, the right wing decided to make this an issue, and they stick with it.
- and then started following RFK JR, J ROGAN, J PETERSON and lastly trump. i knew a family member that sort of did this. he was literally scoffing at the vaccine a few months ago.

That's my granddaughter.
Fully vaxxed EXCEPT for covid. Calls the first (of many) times she caught as 'when I almost died'. She's currently injecting one of the fun crop of weight loss drugs without a second thought because there aren't any TikTok influencers who are telling her it's dangerous.
- Ozempic hospitalized my ex for 12 days and he's now in a class action lawsuit against the makers because it's a known side effect that wasn't warned against. It's not something to play with at all.
  
  What's the side effect if you don't mind sharing?

Whatever they can hork down by the Big Gulpful, but penetration by a stranger? Oh, no. That's for their leaders, in secret.
- Kinky

Few people are consistent in their worldview and actions.
Had a crunchy hippie lecture me about the danger of the covid vaccine, because you don't know what's in it. This was at a house party during covid, where she smoked cigarettes, snorted ketamine, MDMA, and mephedrone.
- And like, the ingredients of the COVID vaccine are like, totally top secret.

Yeah, the only two antivaxxers I know (more did know) have fried their brains to mush with drugs so them believing that shit isn't surprising. I did lots of drugs in my 20s and knew a lot of people who did even more than me, and the two people who were always the "worst" with their use are the only ones I am aware of who are antivaxxers (In Sweden, it's not common here at all). They'd lick a literally turd if they saw someone sprinkle some unknown powder on it just for the chance of it making them high in any way, but they would fight to their death if anyone tried to vaccinate them specifically only with a covid vaccine.
- brain damage from drugs, strokes and other injuries or disease is known to turn people into a looney right winger or a conspiracy nut. fetterman, sorbo, jim cavaziel is a good example of stroke to alt-right, they were shitty people before, but stroke just disinhibit thier "closetness"
- I know a guy who did, still does and deals with every drug imaginable. Really nice guy, honestly. But he refused to get vaccinated, he bought a fake covid certificate or some shit for like 1000 bucks or whatever, because he didn't want that unknown substance in his body

Anyone around here have actual experience with ozempic? My dr has actuality suggested it for a potential heart issue, to help clear up the system i guess. But everyone online talks about it like it’s heroine
- It's more along the lines of: Could you benefit from it because of some legit medical issues. Then go ahead.
  Do you want to take it recreationally to fit in your new dress for the wedding 3 weeks from now without any lifestyle changes? Don't take it.
  Ozempic is not some fun new "weight loss shot", it's a fucking necessity for people with diabetes. That includes Type I diabetes, which is due to genetics and not lifestyle choices.
  Recreational users have made ozempic scarce, raising the price to unsustainable levels for folx that rely on it to stay alive
  
  You're right except the last point - all drug shortages and issues are the result of doctors/public health and drug manufacturers. Never patients. It is a lie they tell us so we blame ourselves and each other.
  Patients can't write their own prescriptions. Patients can't magically procure a drug in their hands. They aren't stealing them from diabetics, they are being advertised to and buying the product.
- My ex was on it for diabetes, and it caused gastroparesis in him and he ended up hospitalized for 12 days. His digestion has never been the same, and he's in a class action lawsuit against the makers of Ozempic because it's a side effect that they didn't disclose.
- Before going on Ozempic, read up on current medical research (not Facebook or such shit). They discovered some not-so-good long term effects recently.
  
  Like many medications, you are balancing the risks of continuing with an unmedicated health problem or any negative side effects of the medication.
- I've seen several successes and I wouldn't believe every story you hear in these forums. The data shows it's relatively safe with minimal serious secondary effects. That doesn't mean nothing to manage at all. Just like statins for cholesterol.
  Ozempic and variants are also considered short term. They essentially short circuit the desire for vices, but are only effective for about a year. You either relearn your habits or you'll eventually revert. If you are in ozempic for 2 years on weight loss you've likely ignored your doctor.
- I'll bite. I'm on it for what some people here would consider "recreational" purposes (weight loss). However, I have polycystic ovaries and have had extreme difficulty losing weight in other ways. Essentially the only way I can lose weight is doing a pretty severe calorie deficit, which is really hard to do and essentially means I am starving all the time. Ozempic has helped me curb that perpetual feeling of hunger, and besides diarrhea (which I already had often anyway), it hasn't caused me that many side effects.
  Essentially PCOS causes a craving for carbs and sugar. It's hard to fill that hole, but there are other ways to supplement the things that my body is not creating which make me crave those things. While I'm on ozempic (I don't plan on using it long-term) I'm also working to make changes to my diet to make sure I'm getting those things I was missing (B12, chromium picolante, some other stuff with scientific names).
  And I know people think it's just "lazy", which it is for some people, but I struggle to lose weight even with exercise and calorie deficits. Ozempic has helped me lose some, but not as drastic as other people.
  I have friends who are on waygovy (the same drug as ozempic but specifically targeted at weight loss) and they've had more side effects than me, but they are significantly bigger, have less healthy lifestyles and are I believe on a much higher dose than me. They've lost a ton of weight though.
  
  I’m basically at the line of pre diabetic so the doc wants something to jumpstart me off the line, i definitely need to make changes but I would love the help to get going. I tend to intermittent fast but when I do eat it’s junk. Most people don’t get it but it’s akin to any addiction. Most times you don’t realize you’re binging till after, so something that can kill my cravings would be lovely
  
  Essentially PCOS causes a craving for carbs and sugar
  There is a good amount of literature documenting PCOS being a downstream effect of metabolic syndrome. Metabolic syndrome is caused by carbs and sugar. The addiction and cravings are real, but the order is reversed.
- My wife has been on wegovy for about 3 months now, which is supposed to be similar. It's ok, I guess. Still ramping up to the full amount and there was one week of really bad digestion issues, but the rest has been fine. She feels full way quicker, and if you go over that amount, you start to feel nauseous, so you stop. Problem is she hasn't really done much else to help it. Still eating the same and hasn't introduced more exercising to help. So far, loss is around 15 lbs, but it's kind of sitting steady around this for a bit now.
  
  Try to get her to eat vitamin k1 and/or k2 if you can. It will help her feel like exercising and moving more
- I've never taken Ozempic, but I did used to be a pharmacy tech, and having to tell patients that it was unavailable due to supply issues, on a daily basis, really sucked. I'm sure it was much worse for them.
  Ozempic can be the right choice, but it's good to do plenty of research, and if you can, prioritize lifestyle interventions first. Here's a video series on Ozempic, as well as ways that you can stimulate glp-1 production naturally through diet and lifestyle-
  https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5TLzNi5fYd90bMuM9SuzQ83E1IsM3Yy4
- I'm on Mounjaro for diabetes, have lost 35 pounds in two months. It's a tool, with potential side effects, but for me it has been a huge jump-start for a lot of neglected health issues and overall energy levels.
- My ex is on one of those for blood sugar. She’s not losing weight but she said it made a significant difference controlling her blood sugar.
  On the other hand her Dad is also on one of those for blood sugar but he’s never hungry and forgets to eat for days so has lost too much weight. It’s to the point where the doctor said anything he wants, load him up on chips and ice cream if necessary to get him back to a healthy weight
  
  Im like 190lbs and have high blood sugar. I see guys twice my size eating cheeseburgers and they don’t get it. Doctor told me it’s generic for me, but it doesn’t help that I smoke weed and eat all my kids cereal at 1am
- I remember seeing this video where someone tearfully explained they got osteoporosis from being on it for a year.
- I've been on tirzepatide for maybe three months at this point. I highly recommend it. I think the risks are massively overblown. It's predictable fear-mongering that is simply an understandable reaction to how greedy the pharma companies are with their pricing on it. If you can't afford it, it's tempting to convince yourself it would be a bad thing to take it anyway.
  I can't afford it, but instead of spreading FUD about it, I found a third way. I just pirate the shit out of it! I'm not just taking tirz, I'm taking bootleg tirz! So far I've dropped from about 180 to 150.

Antivax but do random shrooms/lsd/blow from strangers and buy their weed illegally
- but we dont know whats in those vaccines lol
- ITS ALL NATURAL!!

I ask antivaxers I know if they ever turned down a medicine prescribed by their doctor other than the one the media told them to fear?

¿Por qué no los dos?
I'll take every vaccine I can get. Hell, I would sign up for the smallpox vaccine if I could get it, even though that disease hasn't existed in the wild in decades. I want every covid booster. I want it all! Jab me up, give me that sweet MRNA!
And I'll take the other stuff too. I love me a good edible. I'm on tirzepatide myself, even though insurance doesn't cover it. How do I afford it? Simple! I pirate the hell out of it!
- I just got prescriptions from my GP for the pneumococcal and RSV vaccines because it turns out that I qualify. Anything I can get vaccinated for I do, because fuck antivaxxers.
  I know someone who is a 60 year old smoker who went and lied to public health that she was a sex worker to get the MPOX vaccine, which makes me laugh, but i wouldn't mind it myself because you can get it touching surfaces.
  
  Honestly, I've been pawing through the list of medical conditions that let you still be eligible for the new covid booster. I have something that I think will qualify. But my funnier goto is that depression is one of the eligible conditions. And nothing makes me more depressed than an anti-science quack running our vaccine system!
  
  My grandfather only lived to be a father because of the polio vaccine. Even my stepmother had polio in the fucking womb... it ate her kneecaps... she became a dancer to build leg muscle strength. My family has a valid, empirical respect for vaccines. I am a nurse and when I was young, I passed on the flu shots... until I got the flu... and found out what that hell was, I wasn't sure if I would survive it. After that, I will get every flu shot offered, I take every Covid Booster, I go the shingles vax and next year, I will be eligible for the RSV shot. I am getting them all, like Pokeman.

I don’t talk to people who are obviously unhealthy about matters of health. And there seems to be a trend with antivaxxers I’ve met.

"You know what kind of shit they put in those things?" They said while hitting their meth pipe.
- There's a story on one of the medicine subreddits where a mom brought her kid to ER for whatever viral syndrome, refused vaccination because she objected to the toxins in them, and then asked the staff to watch her kid so she could go smoke.
- Or injecting that fentanyl laced heroin....

Also, these people will take paracetamol with no questions asked.
If I am the head of department of health, I would order a candid infomercial along the motif of "you wouldn't steal a car, you wouldn't pirate" but it goes "you don't question paracetamol. Why do you question vaccines?"
- What about paracetamol?
  
  Use them too often enough and it will cause hearing loss. It happened to my dad. The doctor said it is one of the side effects. I know other people who pop paracetamol unnecessarily when they feel slight pain or headache.
  
  We actually don't know how it works. A new plausible theory came out but it is just speculation so far and doesn't account for everything.
  https://www.livescience.com/health/we-may-finally-know-how-tylenol-works-and-its-not-how-we-thought
  "Even though we have been using paracetamol for the management of pain for more than 130 years, we still don't fully understand how the drug works," Wheate told Live Science. One widely held theory was that acetaminophen stopped the body from making. prostaglandins, which can trigger pain and inflammation, he said."If the results of this study are confirmed, then it significantly changes our understanding of the drug."
  Keep in mind this study was done in rats and this article is from 6/19 of this year.

Just goes to show you how it’s not a rational decision driven by evidence and consideration like they reflexively say, it’s just reactionary nonsense spread by traitors. I will never forgive traitors for what they have done to dismantle society in the modern age.

"You don't know what's in that shite" - Debbie, 52. Lifelong smoker.

Is a hamburger a recreational substance
- Yes it is and I hate it

I mean, if you keep nearly or actually ODing on Ivermectin, you'll shit your guts out, could lose weight that way, probably cheaper.
... probably a lot more unsafe, there's a lot more OD sideeffects than diarrhea... but... cheaper!

Vaccines are required because most viruses can infect virtually anyone. Ozempic is not because most people are not overweight and many who are are able to loose the weight naturally. You can use your drug however you like but please stop making these insane comparisons

To be fair, how many anti-vaxx haters are vegan? And I am pro-vaccination. But also it would be nice if we could solve the whole pandemic problem a bit more completely, rather than slapping a band-aid on while sprinting for the next round.
- Wait, what?
  
  The majority of emerging infectious diseases have a zoonotic origin, and factory farms are basically ideal breeding grounds for pandemics.
  https://www.counterpunch.org/2025/06/13/factory-farms-and-the-next-pandemic/