And they mocked me for my WoW subscription đ
And they mocked me for my WoW subscription đ
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You idiots donât have a 6 cd changer in your car? Pathetic!
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I do it the old fashioned way. Giant binder of discs I get my passenger to flip through and swap in and out
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Damn a 100 cd changer then, mad respect
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Only one binder?
Also makes since since music has not changed at all since 2003
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No, but I have a USB stick with over 100 albums on it, so I can listen to the same 5 albums all the time.
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No man, my usb works perfectly
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precisely
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My car doesn't even have a CD slot :(
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A couple of years ago, I had a Napster subscription (the reborn, legal variant of it). At first, I was happy to have unlimited access to music, then after 2 years I realised that I was paying 120 EUR a year for music I'll never own, so I cancelled the subscription and put my yearly budget for music to exactly that amount. It yields more than enough given I buy used CDs, and then digitalise them. That way I own the physical media as backup AND am able to transfer the digital, PCM-quality tracks unfettered across my devices AND with no need for DRM or shitty proprietary applications.
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You gotta put in the effort, which most people are too lazy to do
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Is it laziness or a lack of motivation?
Iâve been a Spotify member for 13 years and it gives me exactly what I want. Owning music is good and all, but ripping the CDs and setting it up so my family and I have access to it where ever we go is going to cost me way more than the subscription does a month, in both time and money.
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This would be right if not for the fact that Spotify will regularly introduce you to music that you might like and otherwise might not have heard of. That can be worth paying for.
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We had scrobbling services before Spotify and we will have them afterwards.
See Last.fm and ListenBrainz.org
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I signed up for this about 2 months ago because someone on here recommended it. It's absolutely garbage unless you only listen to radio music. I listen to industrial hardcore and uptempo about 90% of the time, the remaining 10% are a pretty even split between hard rock and radio music. It only recommends me radio music, not a single hardcore track.
I have subscriptions for Spotify, Tidal and SoundCloud, and all 3 of them have vastly better recommendations of you listen to less popular genres
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I would argue that this is the entire value proposition of Spotify. I may not own the music, but I have all the artist and song names. I can always re-acquire them at any time.
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Except that as part of its enshittification Spotify has intentionally changed its algo to push people into more and more homogenous "beige", nothing music. It has become so prolific that Spotifycore has become a term to describe what happens when you let Spotify autoplay.
With the rise of AI, Spotify is now producing and recommending beige music that is produced on an industrial scale, at the expense of actual artists.
Mood Machine go brrr
Mood Machine by Liz Pelly review â a savage indictment of Spotify | Music books | The Guardian - https://www.theguardian.com/books/2025/mar/05/mood-machine-by-liz-pelly-review-a-savage-indictment-of-spotify
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This is 100% true, and the reason I left Spotify. Back to buying records and CDs online and in niche record stores (I live in a metropolis, so that works even for obscure music). I also got a tidal subscription, and I like the recommendations from there much more. Bandcamp & SoundCloud newsletters are also great for suggestions.
But now, since collecting records and CDs, I find myself spending much more time with individual albums and critical listening, and relying less on playlists and suggestions. Anyway, Spotify is just garbage now...
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This is why I use Spotify and why it's gotten so much worse over the last year.
My blocked artists list used to be empty, but now it feels like I'm blocking every third new artist for being AI.
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There's a reason music piracy is still niche compared to games or movies/tv.
Spotify is still a good deal to me. I'll gladly pay $12 a month to not have to go through the hassle of torrenting and organizing music.
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I love starting out with one song and just letting the algorithm do it's thing. It comes up with new shit for me all the time.
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...are people really paying for a music subscription service to listen to the same music on repeat? I pay a service because I listen to like at least 4 new albums every week, minimum.
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I pay for Apple Music (well, technically I get it as part of Apple One) for one reason: the library matching function. I have half a gig of mp3s on my home computer, many of which are not on any streaming service, and apple makes them all available to every device I own.
For me, thats worth the monthly price.
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Wait...that's a peak feature, rare apple W
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You can host it yourself without paying apple.
You'd literally be paying yourself back after not much time at all.
I like Plex amp but there are quite a few options.
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Me too. However I recognize that many people are content to listen to the same things they enjoyed in high school forever. In which case they definitely do not need streaming
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this post is just to placate a group of people. i prefer streaming for new music friday. i also don't want another crate or hard drive of shit i lost interest in.
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It took me 10 listens to get into Jimi Hendrix. You are consuming quantity but quality requires effort.
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Man, Spotify were the ones who did it. Like they made the service so significantly better and more convenient than pirating that most of those pirating actually switched.
Not a fan of the platform anymore since the heavy push for sponsored content, removal of audiobooks and the whole Joe Rogan thing, but still credit where it's due.
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The built a thing by burning investor money to artificially lower the price and sell out high on stock IPOs is still going strong I see.
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And by massively underpaying the actual artists that create the content that fills the platform.
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I only play songs once on Spotify, if you catch my drift.
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I don't even play it :3
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Atta boy
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I mean⊠you own or have nothing when your Wow sub ends also.
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Level 20 baby!
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I did return to my old flac and mp3 collection. Got Foobar working again, found a nice skin and I'm rediscovering music that I that skipped over. I buy second-hand CDs when I find them. I've managed to get a digital copy of all my favourite albums and tracks.
I will keep Spotify though. A long time ago, I got friends to share their Discovery and Release Radar playlists. With my own, I have a nice spread of recommendations.
I need regular new music. Call it a search for unexpected dopamine. Spotify still picks new tracks that I really like. I also like Spotify Connect and the easily shared collaborative playlists.
The UK has less alternatives for music discovery. I don't like Radio, way too much talking and ads.
I've got rid of Netflix, Prime. I'm getting Disney+ for free at the moment. Back to physical for film and TV.
For now, Spotify recommendations is worth the cost of entry.
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I washed my clown makeup off with a home server
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Yarrr.
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Recently done the same and could not believe how easy it was too set up an *arr stack. It's like magic
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Just the albums on my favorites list in Qobuz would have been around $10,000 USD to purchase in hi-res.
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I pay for the discovery features. Then I get my music locally.
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Isn't the discovery free? Lol
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You kinda need to listen to stuff to prime the discovery algorithms lol
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Not for the real discovery (đ ÍÊđ)
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Okay, but I can access my full library from anywhere at full quality from multiple devices, I have several 5,000 plus song playlists with little to no overlap between a few of them and I have had CDs lost or stolen and had drive failures delete digital libraries. But sure.
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I don't do it personally, but from what I understand, it's really pretty easy to set up your own self-hosted music server to stream from.
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I have jellyfin for movies/tv because there isn't a more convenient option available. I am not going to VPN from my phone or anywhere to home to play music when Tidal is available.
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5000 song playlist
That sounds like digital hoarding. Why do you need a 2 week long playlist?
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Shuffle
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I am very happy with Navidrome for over a year now. It also reminds me how I listened to whole albums when I was a teenager, what I now started doing again.
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Navidrome is awesome and super easy to set up if you use a PikaPod.
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This is why I download all the music I want. I still listen to it primarily on youtube, but it is a 'just in case'. I also never paid for music.
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Artists love you, I'm sure.
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I doubt they notice. Most artists either get income directly from fans at concerts, via merch, or through explicit patronage (Bandcamp, Patreon, etc).
The money they get from streaming isn't remotely enough to support a professional career. Streaming is more about promotion - to get you in the door at the next concert or promote a product with a real revenue stream - than actual income.
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Iâm not sure thatâs something to be proud of
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I usually have to listen to a song several times before it fully "clicks" if I like it or not, so music streaming subscription is great for being able to grab any song I think I might like and throw it in trial playlist. Back when I bought/acquired music, I would skip over most music I might like because the effort wasn't worth it for a song I wasn't sure if I liked or not. So streaming has worked really well for me for music discovery at least.
On the bright side, I'm still getting my $8 a month early adopter price for Google music all access (now YouTube music).
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I dunno, RJD2's Ghostwriter clicked for me immediately, among others
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Yes, thats an awesome song
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I think the young generation has seen the pattern of clowns generations above them, either relying on ad-radio or Spotify, and have turned to piracy or physical media for this. My BIL recently got into buying CDs from goodwill as a good example. YT video essay I lived through the consumer generation of physical hoarding so Spotifydl is fine for me.
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You can just rip it off Spotify.
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Lossy
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The internet is over, you guys. We can finally switch off our devices and take a good nap.
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Return it to Big Ben when youâre done with it.
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That's where it has the best reception, right?
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Go to concerts, buy physical.
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Have you seen concert ticket prices lately?? Even small to mid size bands playing at 1500 person venues are $60+ for GA. It's nuts.
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I saw Castle Rat in Brooklyn the other day (great show) and it was like $25 + $10 of bs "fees".
I don't see many bigger bands anymore because the tickets are more than double that.
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Depends on where you are and depends on organisation. If it's a small venue and a DIY type of thing, chances are that the merch money and at least part of the entrance is going directly to the band (as opposed to the 1% kickback they'd get for streaming).
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For some reason pirating music libraries is really hard. Probably bc everyone uses Spotify
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Try Usenet
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Get a library card! My local small town library has access to a surprising number of nearby libraries, and if I'm willing to wait a week or two for the item to be available and get transferred, I've been able to get some decently non-mainstream stuff for free. For more obscure stuff, bandcamp is pretty awesome.
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https://1337x.to/ has been my piracy go-to for years and they've rarely missed.
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Hint: Discography is what you're looking for if you want everything the artist made.
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I do have a Qobuz subscription, I just rip whatever I want to listen and stream from my home server.
You can also do a free trial for a month and just use a disposable e-mail to redo it every month, if you don't want to pay anything.
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They mock you for subscribing to an online service. I mock you for subscribing to WoW instead of FFXIV. We are not the same.
(Insert FFXIV free trial meme here)
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FFXIV is just a drip pageant. Seems like itâs little else but people standing around role playing fetishes.
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I've heard the plot is actually pretty good
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And WoW isn't? The big advantage FFXIV has there is dye channels on their armor instead of recolored sets (though WoW is better in the way you collect transmogs without having to actually store the item somewhere). And you've clearly never been to Goldshire or seen the lvl 1 trolls dancing naked on mailboxes in Orgrimmar. WoW is full of people ERPing.
The biggest difference between the two is that WoW doesn't give a damn about the story and each xpac is obsolete when the new one releases, while FFXIV puts the story first with each xpac being a new chapter and keeps content as evergreen as it can. WoW also caters to their endgame raiders above everyone else, while FFXIV claims to put casual players first (though whether or not this is true is hotly debated in the community at any given time).
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I've never played any of the FFs :/
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FFS
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Some of us arenât privileged enough to buy hundreds of hours of music.
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Buy? đ€š
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Yarrr đŽââ ïž
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So what you can indefinitely subscribe though? Try thrift shops, used CD stores, etc if you want to buy.
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Try thrift shops, used CD stores, etc if you want to buy.
If you're buying secondhand, that also does nothing for the artists. You might as well just pirate at that point, unless you're deeply into the vinyl scene or something
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Over time the streaming options are almost certainly more expensive.
Personally I am an advocate for piracy, an economic system that requires the enforcement of artificial scarcity is not one I consent to bind me. We need a system that rewards artists without locking culture and art behind a paywall.
The only reason it works the way it does now is that music used to come from physical totems. The internet requires a new and progressive approach to intellectual products.
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Yar what if I told yee have another option
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This is why I set up a Funkwhale home server
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There are other ways. I've only had problems with ReVanced Music once, and there was a fresh set of patches less than a day later.
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Still dependent on a service, on them (YT/YT Music and ReVanced) continuing, and YT not breaking clients.
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The post is about PAID subscription models, not being dependent on something.
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Dont worry guys my CD collection is increasing (i extract it onto hard drives too). I'll open a free music museum when all goes to shit.
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When I was just a lad looking for my true vocation
\ My father said "Now son, this choice deserves deliberation...
\ Though you could be a doctor......or perhaps a financier...
My boy, why not consider a more challenging career!"
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I just noticed yesterday, that existing subscribers can stay at the old price. There's an option to switch to a "basic" plan, afaik you will lose access to audiobooks, but they only give 12h of those per month, for the 2 euros extra.
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Thanks, just switched.
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Jokes on them, i have actually started to store my music on a 7th gen again
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Really hard to get normies to see this. They're sucked into how easy it is and soon they'll be fed nothing but ai slop music so corps dont havr to pay artists a cent. Yay future?
Ill hold onto my records and cds, thanks.
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What's really hard for me personally is understanding why people see streaming services as some sort of antithesis of purchasing physical albums.
You know you can do both, right?
I listen to tonnes of music, expand my tastes via a streaming service, but when I find a band that I become a fan of I purchase their albums.
I replaced radio, not albums, with streaming services.
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My favourite thing to do is use shit like Spotify and google and stores I hate to FIND the thing I want, then I go get it in a different, nicer store lol. For example I often use a place called Emag to find all sorts of products then use compari.ro and pricy.ro to find the best prices for that item.
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Oh yeah I understand that. The problem is streaming commoditized music even worse than it already was, making it even more worthless. And now 99% of the population wont even buy a cd, and the artist gets even less money than before.
Back in the day, you had to get the record or cd to hear what you wanted. And to me thats what made the strong bond between artist and listener. Its no wonder a large majority of young people have no strong feelings toward music. Also, im not some old man, im pretty young, but I can see the changes.
Also, why would you replace radio with streaming services when literally thousands of internet radio stations (many donations ran only) exist all over the place?
I think people are quick to latch onto streaming because they saw ads for it and thought it was the next Big thing they had to be a part of. We have had internet radio for 15+ years.
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Didn't emusic let you download 3 albums a month for $10, but stream anything?
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Back in the days we were paying 10$ for an album. Then Napster came.
Now we pay 100$ for a concert.
Try Metrolist maybe.
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$10 an album? Before Napster there was literally a class action lawsuit against the music industry because albums were like $22
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Where were you buying CDs for $10?
I was lucky if I found something I wanted under $20.
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That's a really narrow case.
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That reminds me I still need to export my spotify likes and migrate all that out
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If those WoW subscriptions had have flopped - we'd be in a better situation now.
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Why would I ever mess with physical media ever again? What a waste of space and effort. Streaming services give me a breadth and width of options unrivaled in history. And if I dislike the streaming price (way worth it in my opinion) then digital purchasing or even pirate methods are available.
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i agree
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people pay for music? Wow at least give you something for the money, although pricey. others like RS trying to justify thier price increase without substantial increase in content.
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Paying for music is worthwhile. Ditch Spotify. Embrace Bandcamp.
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pw-record is gonna become the new taping songs off the radio
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Rimusic exists đ
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Could you ELI5 how's it work?
What music is it streaming? Is it somehow piping into Spotify/Tidal/something and grabbing music from there? Or is it "my own MP3s from my own storage location somewhere"?
Also: does it support Last FM scrobbling?
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I think it streams youtube music. You can download tracks and make playlists. Also has live lyrics for most of the tracks.
I recommend using it now. Next year google is gonna kill all apps outside play store.
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At least wow was worth it IMO. What a fantastic game that was.
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I still pay for a Pandora family subscription, because all 5 people in my house use it; but for me - I don't like spending all the time organizing and listening to albums, so I pick a song I want - Pandora makes a mix of songs like it, and then I rip the "station" that Pandora builds for me into files and toss those files into an SD card in my car.
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Ive only ever bought 2 CDs in my life. Have never paid to download music and never will.
Im (my wife is) paying for the convenience. The moment it feels too expensive im back to the high seas.
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Honestly, I'm surprised that streaming has gone on this long before we have such enshtification taking place.
I'm basically down to just a single subscription now because the cost outweighs the ease of use and only keep my music streaming service because of work and I don't want to be using self hosting on a company network.
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What is money for if not to waste completely when you don't have to at all lol
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I did hear WoW is fun again
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The game is fun, but it's now a solo game where you occasionally team up non-socially with strangers to knock out goals, rather than being the massively social game it once was. Unfortunately I think those days are over forever.
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Is it? Last time I tried I was having somewhat good fun until I got the stupidest mythic dungeon group that bullied the fuck out of me as healer and stopped again shortly after that. I liked that there was just so much to do but I'm still not sure I can really enjoy the game the same way I used to now my life is so different and don't have as much time to give to it.
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A friend of mine started playing again and said it was really good. Idk about the time sink though.
You gotta find a good guild to dungeon crawl or raid with. My favorite thing was being raid lead during Mists and working with a big team. I did some competitive WoW back then, and even played with Asmongold, my character is in some of his old videos. Makes me pretty sad how he turned out.
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I still download my music. Two pros: I have control over where, when and how I listen to it. And I only download music I actually want to listen to.
One con:Â Finding new music is harder (I imagine).
That's what radio helps with, there was also Pandora, but I didn't know if it is still alive after Sirius XM bought them.
Find an online radio station you like and you don't need Pandora any more.
Shoutcast is still running strong! Also super easy to setup your own server https://directory.shoutcast.com/
I have found a ton of new music through KEXP's YouTube channel.
Found the Seattleite. Canât believe I didnât notice your name all this time and connect the dots.
I listen to C89.5! Website and app both work flawlessly.
Thought I remembered the name. That's where Dinosaur Jr. played a legendary set.
Also, I just realized they did another one more recently. I'll have to listen to that one, too.
ListenBrainz is the solution for discovery
In my opinion, it's harder, but not even necessarily because it's harder to do it in the end. More because it's just harder to get started.
For example, I find way more music I enjoy listening to through Bandcamp than I ever did on Spotify, but that requires having existing artists that I follow and can see their recommendations for, having a feel for which genres I actually like instead of a vague mental concept of what I like to listen to that I can then keyword search by in Bandcamp's search/discover section, and hoping that the human curators on Bandcamp's newsletter pick artists I like. Bandcamp doesn't really have algorithms, so those are my only real options.
It's more effort, but it's infinitely more rewarding.
You actually should actually try to listen to web radio. Still have a subscription with Qobuz but been listening to bytefm a lot and they have some great djs (they have different shows at different time.). I personally found there more new and great artist or songs than any personalized algorithm ever did.
One con: youâre too busy writing down the songs and you cannot really do anything while listening as you also too scared of missing something. /hj
Do they not have a recently played? Can always go back through and shouldnât be too hard to figure out the songs. Just note the time maybe atleast.
On Bandcamp you can go on your feed page which shows albums based on the genres and artists you follow, and what fans you follow have bought.