framework doesn't rule

Someone else struck an important chord:

Additional edit: I think it’s quite telling that a community response of “I’m not happy with this development, please consider changing your mind or I’m going to spend my money elsewhere” is now being met in this thread with responses including inflammatory fascist and racist talking points, transphobia, etc, while Framework says and does nothing about it. It shows exactly the sorts of things Framework is permitting in their “big tent” by rewarding right-wing extremists with money and sponsorship. What a way to tank a community that – a few years ago at least – seemed pretty welcoming and inclusive.

The community defense is riddled with typical far-right talking points. "What do you mean you don't want to include literal nazis in your community? What ever happened to tolerance?"

The assumption is that they believe a not-insignificant portion of their customers are fascist or fascist-adjacent.

If everyone upset about this boycotted and tanked their bottom line, they'd probably shift gears in a heartbeat.

But I suspect that the number of fascist/fascist-adjacent customers is high enough that they need both groups' money to survive.

from what i’ve seen, hyprland’s community is highly toxic and rife with fascists. is the maintainer a fascist? idk, but you know what they say about nazi bars

the other project framework is under fire for supporting, omarchy, is proudly made by DHH, who is a known far-right racist. this one is not up for debate

Impossible to tell. Not a good person for sure, but fascist, probably not. The precipitating event happened on the Hyprland discord, which was unmoderated at the time. Someone made transphobic remarks. Drew DeVault (a big-mouthed idealist with extreme opinions and thin skin) kicked Hyprland out of the Freedesktop project for this, and wrote a wordy blog post criticising the community. Then, because media literacy is fucking dead, people who already agreed with DeVault's views took it at face value and ran with it to chase the Woozle.

The truth is somewhere between the extremes, and if that one article that indirectly refers to the incident is enough for you to make such a conclusion... you and DeVault would get along just fine.

(edit) I haven't used Hyprland for over a year and have been out of the loop, this info might be outdated.

Here's the jist of it. Essentially the CEO praised the Republicans/Trump on social media.

I wouldn't call that an official response.

A deeply concerning response from the CEO, but a forum response isn't the same as an announcement about policy change or something.

Im mad but I'm willing to give them time to grapple with the realities of the box they opened to see how they attempt to close it.

No, it's Lenovo, but the kind that still has a CPU socket and a removable battery, one of which could have been a nice addition to framework if they didn't insist on "modern design sensibilities"...

kling is the creator/head of the ladybird browser. dhh is the creator of ruby on rails, but he's now working on omarchy, which is basically just a collection of dotfiles for arch but people love for some reaso (personal rant).

the reason that their views are important is because a lot of tech companies, even ones that were previously reputable like framework, have been pouring a lot of money into these. this is especially relevant for omarchy, since afaik dhh is the only person working on it, making donations to omarchy basically be direct donations to dhh himself.

while kling has done some questionable things, dhh is basically just a straight up fascist, which really puts the principles of the companies giving money and promotion to him (like framework) into question

Maybe I'm being a bit too nervous, but companies like Fairphone or Framework rely on goodwill from technical people who are ready to pay more for less stuff to encourage their politics. If poeple categorize them as non-rule, they are not going to pay the premium. I think, for a lemmy user, that would set the odds of buying at near-0. again, maybe i'm being too dramatic

I agree that putting pressure this way is a good thing, but the pressure needs to be conditional. If you just mark them as dead before giving them a chance to correct course, they are better off reaching all the way for the customer base of "apolitical" users. The ebassi screen has a parodic tone that reduces the certainty and definitiveness (people will just put FW into question rather than fully discard it. i think), and avoids citing the name directly, limiting the damage to people who already have some understanding of the situation

anyways at this point I think there is enough threat to elicit a reaction on their part, and that we should wait for them before burning everything down. and I hope they can just have a quick fact check and everything will be fine and they will actually have money to donate because they won't if they keep up the vibe of the first response

I'm being way overinvested ok byeee

Sure, but there are too many people here who will see this post and internalize "Framework evil" for the rest of their lives, when a large company like that just needs more time to properly investigate, respond, and react to issues.

I'm looking at those people who internalized "Proton evil" way too quickly, for example.

I don't think you should have to adjust this post at all, but unfortunately this is how things are.

Without arguing politics, the world is sliding very quickly towards facism and being on guard against it is incredibly important. I'm not buying a laptop and putting money in the pockets of someone who may then donate to or fund facism. None of that applies to a developer of a free open source software whose political ideal world is not rapidly approaching.

Wut

Did tankies bomb the abortion clinics or kill LGBTQ people? Maybe they lynched poc people too like fascists. idk, because they are literally the same.

How is using Lemmy supporting the tankie devs? I am not donating money or hardware to them.