Marine park threatens to euthanize 30 whales if Canada does not provide funding
Marine park threatens to euthanize 30 whales if Canada does not provide funding
Why the fuck are there still whales there and why are the corpos allowed to threaten death if these whales. They wanted to sell them to china (where they most likely will be further abused), now if they can't get money they'll kill them?
C'mon Ottawa, force them to rehabilitate and release them, even if it kills the park.
C'mon Ottawa, force them to rehabilitate and release them, even if it kills the park.
A lot of animals cannot be rehabilitated and released. If they were born and raised in captivity, they have effectively no chance of survival on their own. I don't know what the situation is for these animals, but I've been to plenty of zoos and aquariums in the past that have rehabilitation programs and even they have a few "lifers" who will never leave.
AFAIK there are rarely whales born in captivity and nearly all were stolen from their pods and thrown into a swimming pool.
Only animal I know that even has a chance in the would is a domestic house cat. Some can't learn to hunt, some can, you never know. And mostly how they survive is finding humans to care for them, so maybe that doesn't really count.
Uhhhh, how about try? If the options are to euthanize them or give them a fighting chance in the wild, they should just release them near or around another pod. The hubris of man to think animals can’t survive without them. They aren’t domesticated. If they’re hungry and see a fish swim by they’d be like “where’s the hairless ape’s hand to feed me?”.
In the past, attempts to rehabilitate whales have taken decades and resulted in failure. The whales have simply become wholly dependent on humans to feed them and give them company.
TBH, though, most of them kept in captivity end in suicides as the reverberations from their small enclosures are like living in a room where the alarms blare 24/7 so the euthanization might actually be a gift to them.
So it comes down to putting them in the wild to die slowly or kill them outright. If I had to choose I guess I'd want them released, but I'm not really in either camp. I also really don't like the idea of continuing their suffering in captivity.
You only read the headline didn't you
That's a great reason not to raise wild animals in captivity.
They'll be held as hostages by corpo scum.
"Give me money, or I'll kill 30 whales. Ahahahah! They're mine, and I can do whatever I want! AHAHAAHAH! Hail HR! Hail HR!"
That's not fiction. That's the story.
"we're closing. We cannot afford to keep these whales with no staff and no land. We want to move them to another habitat which has agreed to keep these animals which cannot be released."
"No because they could maybe be mistreated."
"They WILL be neglected here and the people buying the land will need them gone. It's euthanasia or transport. Or you adopt them."
Barring a time machine to stop the park from opening in 1961, that's the options.
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
*Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives again
In their mind the park is practically over, everyone fucking hates them, their need to provide a veneer of giving a fuck about these animals is fucking gone, who cares?
🎶 Every one haaaaaates Marineland! 🎶
Me reading headline: I fuckin bet it is Marineland. Me reading the first paragraph of the article: I fucking knew it! Fucking marineland.
"Look what you're making me do"
Canada or Ontario should liberate the whales and take over the property for the necessary property and income to do so.
This Marine Park fellow sounds like one bad hombre.
Yeah and he’s also dead. Used to smuggle illegal Belugas to breed and imprison them at Marineland. He’s already in hell.
The government should seize the property and the assets of the owners and shareholders and anyone related to the owners to pay for this. You don’t end up here by accident.
But they’ll just get their way and retire wealthy.
Apparently it costs 2 million per month to keep the belugas alive. Not sure I would want the government to be covering that cost. The issue is more complex than the headline but at the end of the day the corporation did not manage their money and now are in urgent need however, they also wanted to sell the animals to a group in China and the Feds blocked the sale. These animals were born in captivity so it’s hard to say if they would survive if released. It’s not a great situation.
They won’t survive in the wild and the China option is inhumane.
The best option currently is to put them down but it’s abhorrent that it’s even possible to be in this situation.
Marineland is still trying to continue existing?
It’s provincial jurisdiction. Blame Doug Ford.
Turn it into a spa, folks!
Feds blocked their sale to a group In China. So it’s not entirely on the province.
I'm pro Nuke the Whales.
Everyone is big mad about the whales. Meanwhile, there's a whole lot of other animals that aren't famous being fucked with, and humans, and a pretty compelling case that the costs of caring for damn belugas is actually pretty burdensome.
It's not bad people care about show whales. It's bad that it's vastly disproportionate.
It is proportionate --- to their size
(In all seriousness, it's a lot easier to make suitable living quarters for most other animals. If you can't make suitable living quarters, it's unethical, full stop. Yes I'm including factory farm meat in that)
I don't actually disagree with that, which is why "don't euthanise them but also don't do anything with them" isn't being accepted by the company as an answer. I only know MarineLand from the ads, but any habitat multiple whales can at least sort of live in will be no joke.
I dont get why the government is blocking sending the whales to China tho. If the choice is the government bankrolling Marineland, the whales being killed or the whales being sent to China isn't selling them to China the obviously best choice? Are they worried that the big bad Chinese will steal our Whale IP?
Euthanize, BUT NOT RELEASE, right??
Narcissism / machiavellianism / sociopathy-psychopathy / nihilism / SADISM / and systemic-dishonesty
.. dimensions-of-human-evil in their position, at least.
The ideological displacing-considered-reasoning dimension may be on-display, too..
( they're running-out of dimensions-of-human-evil to exercise!
& the Western-psychology's "dark triad" is only a small subset of these dimensions.
Obviously, the psychology-profession'll never accept these dimensions as valid, because it wasn't them who authorized, or noticed, them.
Profession-narcissism is a very real force in our world )
Perhaps the executives of that operation are identifying that humankind ought murder the innocent ( the whales ) while catering-to the psychopaths ( the executives )?
Are we obedient to that directive?
XOR do we intentionally-ditch the dishonest-framing & force right framing, & THEN decide?
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They'll slowly starve or face predation.
50/50 chance they survive in the wild. 100% chance they die by being euthanized. Even if they die in the wild, they will feed the eco system. Even domesticated animals will eat their deceased owners when they get hungry enough. The only animal I can think of that won’t eat when hungry is a lonely guinea pig.
Why not release them?
If they were born and raised in captivity their odds of survival are pretty low. Like someone who always lived in a large city and never went camping being dropped off in Alaska odds of survival.
Rehabilitation only helps so much without the actual experience of growing up with other members of their species in the wild.
Edit: Of course the adults in the wild are the ones that survived until adulthood so I still lean towards attempts to rehabilitate and release, just noting it isn't as simple as releasing.
True
Their odds of survival in the wild are higher than being euthanized by a billionaire in an animal hostage crisis.
because it'll still cost money to move them to like Newfoundland or whatever.
This is Marineland, in Niagara Falls, you can't just "release them" unless you want 30 Beluga whales going over the falls.
Plus releasing them is just killing them. They'll likely die in the wild.
They should release them. They might not survive but at least they'll have a chance.
It's the equivalent of releasing toddlers into a swamp.
Or even an adult who has never gone camping being dropped in the middle of Alaska, the Amazon, or the Ghobi desert. Odds of survival are low and they are gonna suffer from starvation, thirst, getting sick from eating/drinking from the wrong sources, or being prey to something they don't know how to avoid. Maybe all four!
The alternative is the equivalent of shooting the toddlers in the back of the head.
Either way is horrible.
Not much different than euthanizatiom except for the cost of shipping them to a release site.
Not necessarily. These animals can be acclimatized and eased into it in stages to give them a fighting chance. Even if the chance of success is slim, I still fully expect the assholes who decided to breed these animals in captivity to be financially liable to cover the cost of that.
Otherwise, whoever owns these animals should be legally bound to financially support them until they die of old age. If someone decides to breed sentient creatures in captivity they should know that they can't just discard them like an old newspaper if that doesn't turn out to be a good investment.
Release them where exactly? someone still has to pay to move them somewhere to be released. I mean you can't just let them loose in Niagara Falls unless you want 30 Beluga Whales falling on top of the Maid of the Mist.
It's funny how they didn't have any problem paying the huge expense of bringing them there but suddenly money is scarce when it is time to take care of them or brigning them back.
They should be legally required to pay to fix it. To me this is no different than an oil company having to pay to cleanup whenever they make a spill.
But if I say billionaires should pay more taxes or be euthanized I’m put on a list