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  • this thread has broken containment, and the median quality of the discussion has dropped to the point where some rando decided to start a subthread about how it’s not ok to celebrate hitler’s death and also two regulars had an extremely heated fight about who was the most not-mad about the word chat as a noun/pronoun/whatever in English of all fucking things so uhhhh that’s all folks

  • Fuckin' clanker lovers.

    It's only bigotry if you believe machines incapable of thought or feeling deserve human rights. In which case, you have bigger problems than people being "racist" against bullshit-ass generative AI.

  • idk, I’ve seen enough people call ai users

    to know that some anti-ai stuff is steeped in bigotry (and yes, it’s still bigotry if it’s ironic btw)

    i don’t think most anti-ai people are like this. but some absolutely are and denying it helps no one, and it harms marginalized people

    • in every serious (ie not TikTok or any other right-wing or unmoderated hellhole) anti-AI community I know, bigotry gets you banned even if you’re trying to hide it behind nonsense words like a 12 year old

      meanwhile the people who seem to have dreamt up the idea that AI critical spaces are full of masked bigotry appear to be mostly Neil Gaiman Warren Ellis (see replies), who has several credible sexual assault allegations leveled against him, and Jay Graber, bluesky’s CEO who deserves no introduction (search mastodon or take a look at bluesky right now if the name’s unfamiliar). I don’t trust either of those people’s judgement as to what harms marginalized people.

      • oh absolutely, fuck graber and fuck, fuuuuuuck gaiman to hell. i don’t have an inch of trust for either of them.

        tho I will say that even here on lemmy, even if it didn’t reach the awfulness of what i quoted, i’ve seen a bunch of clanker memes that were seriously iffy… I wouldn’t qualify those of "serious discussions" but they still matter in the broader ai discourse

        and I’d like to clarify on my stance: fuck ai. it can have it’s uses sometimes but the dominant (and promoted) uses are awful for all the reasons everyone knows about. just wanted to make it clear that I am not an ai supporter

      • Gaiman? I thought it was Warren Ellis, the other "into the trebuchet with you" guy of comics.

    • Any minimally competent critique of AI would make such bigotry ipso facto meaningless. Note that the cited phrase implicitly accepts the premise of “AIs” as being in the same category of sentient beings as humans by virtue of it being possible to betray the latter for the former, and hence for any genuinely AI-critical person, it makes about as much sense as talking about ‘anti-table bigotry’; it’s just a meaningless configuration of words if one understands what they mean.

    • from what i see, white people simply clamor for a context in which they're "allowed" to finally call someone the n-word, and are willing to accept substitute targets for their racism

      add in a protective cloak of "it's ironic and a joke and YOU'RE the real racist for pointing this out" and you get a whole lot of people who are extremely okay slinging around barely modified racial slurs

    • I'm really sorry to say this, I'm sure you're a lovely person, but fuck out of here with all that bullshit.

      • you’ve never posted on our instance before as far as I can tell and I’m pretty sure I didn’t ask you to fucking gatekeep one of our threads and start a shitty little fight that I have to clean up

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