"Anti-ai arguments literally support eugenics"
"Anti-ai arguments literally support eugenics"
Reminds me of this:
I think atproto is a good protocol, but god bluesky-the-company is dogshit.
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If we're going to focus on form instead of content, it's amusing that "if you say mean things about ai then you're a bigot" is the exact same form as "if you say mean things about Trump then you're a terrorist."
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If you say the same bigoted arguments, you're like a bigot.
If you say the same terrorist arguments then you're like a terrorist.
Except, the people saying mean stuff about Trump are much less terroristic that trump supporters.
The forms are the same (it's the most basic sylogism in fact). The contents isn't, and the merits of antecedents matter.
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the post: https://bsky.app/profile/hailey.at/post/3m2f66lgh2c2v .
The person is a bluesky engineer.
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Not only that, she introduced mass surveillance to Bluesky and is brainstorming further methods of such in response to getting clowned on so hard.
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Yeah, I'm not touching bluesky's servers after this.
Migration luckily works pretty well on atproto.
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Rainbow painted fascist.
Scratch the surface too hard, oops, its another shitlib.
God I am so tired of idiots confusing identity politics and virtue signalling with being left wing, but apparently, most people really are just skin deep.
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Thanks for surfacing this. Holy shit.
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Well. 'Engineer'. You know it's all vibes to them.
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And to think all this could have been solved by bsky simply hiring some communication specialists and treating the current events like a crisis, and acting like their users are the police.
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Hoo boy. The original person being reposted continues on their original post that they believe we cannot be certain that genAI does not have feelings.
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Just complete the delusional circuit and tell them you can't be sure they aren't an AI, ask them how they would prove they aren't.
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How do we have people wasting their time arguing about software having feelings when we haven’t even managed to convince the majority of people that fish and crabs and stuff can feel pain even though they don’t make a frowny face when you hurt them.
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That's easy, it's because LLM output is a reasonable simulation of sounding like a person. Fooling people's consciousness detector is just about their whole thing at this point.
Crabs should look into learning to recite the pledge of allegiance in the style of Lady GaGa.
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They are literally predictive algorithims if you have even a basic understadning of how LLMs work (not somethingalot of pro-ai people have) you'd know this is completely untrue. They do not have genuine thoughts they just say what it predicts the response would be based on previous sources.
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How online do you have to be where "people dunking on AI "artists" is like Kristallnacht" doesn't sound completely fucking deranged?
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this thread has broken containment, and the median quality of the discussion has dropped to the point where some rando decided to start a subthread about how it’s not ok to celebrate hitler’s death and also two regulars had an extremely heated fight about who was the most not-mad about the word chat as a noun/pronoun/whatever in English of all fucking things so uhhhh that’s all folks
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This is called rationalizing because any relationship with reality it has is strictly rationed
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I'm so confused reading all this.
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Their argument is something like this:
People might say something like "ai is incapable of thinking" or "ai is stupid", but if you replace the word "ai" with something like "women", you're saying something unacceptable.
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So they're attributing personhood to AI.
Before it has come anywhere close to meaningfully mimicking conciousness.
Are they stupid?
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"If you said something different you would've said something different" what brilliant rhetoric, your mom must be proud
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Ah makes sense now! So if I change the meaning, then the meaning changes. Man, that’s brilliant!
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I love how this is so close to a cogent critique of people literally just repeating racist jokes but using a word swap to make them acceptable, and then the "(whatever that means)" hits and it all falls into place.
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.Hailey.at may currently be dating an AI and feels insecure about others judging them, so they must convince themselves that their linguistic vibrator has a soul.
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Related chain in the sack: https://awful.systems/post/5776862/8965566
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"chain in the sack" is one of my new favourite semi-nonsense phrases
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bonus points because it sounds like a CBT term (not cognitive behavioral therapy, the other CBT)
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Meanwhile I've seen people justifying the power use of genAI with "but people also consume as much if not more energy through their lives".
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One of the replies talking about someone celebrating Hitler's death regularly, even if they're a survivor of the camps, is mentally ill?
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I woudln't think that's healthy or okay behaviour either. Because a. like what are you even celebrating that hitler got to escape from justice for his crimes? that he got to go out on his own terms instead of on trial that seems liek a weird thing to celebrate if anything it makes you seem a like you sympathize with hitler. Hilter killed himself to evade capture because he knew he lost. The only reaosn youo'd celebrate that is becuase you wnat hitler to evade capture. Not to mention, being that obssessed over the deaht of smoeone who died 80 years ago is extremely unhealthy.
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Counterpoint: Celebrating Hitler's death is good, actually. Celebrate Hitler's death on the train, on the boat, wherever good times are had!
I'm glad to see that another mod has already pushed the fuck off with you button.
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haha nah time for you to fucking leave
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https://youtube.com/shorts/aHoUPEhjbN4
The only good take I've seen on this matter.
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Oh, hey, that's the "Mikhail Gorbachev Caused Skibidi Toilet" guy
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I refuse to click that link and instead choose to believe that Mikhail Gorbachev caused Skibidi Toilet unironically.
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It's also the guy who insists "chat" is a fourth person pronoun. Frankly I now go out of my way to avoid his stuff because that take was so ludicrously stupid I no longer trust anything he has to say.
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I think everyone can agree on "this is a slur that we took from StarWars to be derogatory and justify our distaste and opposition to genAI", it's just that some people think that's a bad thing?
Like it appears some people think using the n-word is bad because it's Bad™, not because there's an actual dehumanising effect on a group of people. What's your argument, that we're dehumanising Grok? Ye because it's not a human! "But if it was about the Jews it'd be bad" ye and if my grandmother had wheels she would have been a bike, what the fuck is your point?
As for the origins I also think it is very important that the word is "clanker" from StarWars, since their droids are not sentient, whereas both "toaster" and "skinjob" are actually used as a hateful term towards sentient beings. BSG goes out of its way to drive in the fact that genociding Cylons would also be bad, actually. The sentience of "skinjobs" is like the whole point of Blade Runner.
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Just to play Devil's Advocate, since I am a huge fan of Filoni's Clone Wars series, Clanker feels the most weird because it was created to be used as a slur in the same way the Allied forces had slurs for Germans and Japanese in WW2. I can understand why some people might have moral grounds against using what is ultimately a proxy of real life slurs, especially if they were ever a recipient of that kinda discrimination. Sure, it's a fantasy, and I think from a standpoint of "The Republic is experiencing moral decay" it's interesting for the story, but it was always a lil fucked up that the kids show thought hurling slurs was such a fundamental part of war that they needed to invent a new one. It'd probably be better if we didn't teach children that.
It's also kinda a weird slur to use against AI. The droids are called clankers because they clank, it's like an onomotopeia. LLMs don't clank at all.
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The word isn't the issue it's the way people use it. It's often used as a thinly veiled excuse to be racist.. Like making youtube shorts where it perfectly depicts very racist stereotypes but i'ts about ai so ti's okay. This is inevitably how words like this end up. Especially if they ever get mainstream. Your intentions can be whatever, but like. Sociologically speaking this is how a term like this would always end up bieng used by some people as an exucse to perform racism but under the tehin guise of it acutally beinga buot rovbots not black people.
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I feel certain this person could come up with even one example of someone attacking an LLM for having the wrong “bits”.
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Fuckin' clanker lovers.
It's only bigotry if you believe machines incapable of thought or feeling deserve human rights. In which case, you have bigger problems than people being "racist" against bullshit-ass generative AI.
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idk, I’ve seen enough people call ai users
to know that some anti-ai stuff is steeped in bigotry (and yes, it’s still bigotry if it’s ironic btw)
i don’t think most anti-ai people are like this. but some absolutely are and denying it helps no one, and it harms marginalized people
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in every serious (ie not TikTok or any other right-wing or unmoderated hellhole) anti-AI community I know, bigotry gets you banned even if you’re trying to hide it behind nonsense words like a 12 year old
meanwhile the people who seem to have dreamt up the idea that AI critical spaces are full of masked bigotry appear to be mostly
Neil GaimanWarren Ellis (see replies), who has several credible sexual assault allegations leveled against him, and Jay Graber, bluesky’s CEO who deserves no introduction (search mastodon or take a look at bluesky right now if the name’s unfamiliar). I don’t trust either of those people’s judgement as to what harms marginalized people.-
oh absolutely, fuck graber and fuck, fuuuuuuck gaiman to hell. i don’t have an inch of trust for either of them.
tho I will say that even here on lemmy, even if it didn’t reach the awfulness of what i quoted, i’ve seen a bunch of clanker memes that were seriously iffy… I wouldn’t qualify those of "serious discussions" but they still matter in the broader ai discourse
and I’d like to clarify on my stance: fuck ai. it can have it’s uses sometimes but the dominant (and promoted) uses are awful for all the reasons everyone knows about. just wanted to make it clear that I am not an ai supporter
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Gaiman? I thought it was Warren Ellis, the other "into the trebuchet with you" guy of comics.
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Any minimally competent critique of AI would make such bigotry ipso facto meaningless. Note that the cited phrase implicitly accepts the premise of “AIs” as being in the same category of sentient beings as humans by virtue of it being possible to betray the latter for the former, and hence for any genuinely AI-critical person, it makes about as much sense as talking about ‘anti-table bigotry’; it’s just a meaningless configuration of words if one understands what they mean.
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from what i see, white people simply clamor for a context in which they're "allowed" to finally call someone the n-word, and are willing to accept substitute targets for their racism
add in a protective cloak of "it's ironic and a joke and YOU'RE the real racist for pointing this out" and you get a whole lot of people who are extremely okay slinging around barely modified racial slurs
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I'm really sorry to say this, I'm sure you're a lovely person, but fuck out of here with all that bullshit.
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you’ve never posted on our instance before as far as I can tell and I’m pretty sure I didn’t ask you to fucking gatekeep one of our threads and start a shitty little fight that I have to clean up
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It’s also why the right can’t meme
The 'change the subject' thing can be useful if you're changing like for like. Equating AI algorithms to the Jewish people is very far from that. To a disturbing degree.
Yep.
Oh, your strategy is... invent a new vocabulary to describe yourselves and your stuggles?
... and then do nothing other than 'promote discussion' and 'raise awareness'?
Well, what are fascists, historically, really good at?
Oh, right, its uh, perverting language and also pretending to be something they actually aren't, so as to be more soundbite palatable, basically, more broadly appealing, more difficult to counter argue / "debunk" without exhausting yourself.
Sure would be neat if anyone learned anything from history, ever, but nope, thus the tragicomedy goes on.
“Whatever exists, he said. Whatever in creation exists without my knowledge exists without my consent.” The Judge
― Cormac McCarthy, Blood Meridian, or, the Evening Redness in the West