Does anyone know why we’re defederated from beehaw.org?

Beehaw mods had issues moderating a flood of new users and low quality posts from here. As they put it, it was more “we don’t have the tools and staff to handle tons of new people” and less “we don’t like SIJW”.
- Good explanation.
  If I remember correctly they defederated from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works because they were two huge and largely unmoderated instances but did say that they'd like to refederate if solid moderation was put in place.
  The SIJW admin and them had talks and agreed that they'd refederate when Lemmy would have decent moderation tools that allowed for that, which hasn't happened yet.
  
  If what you're saying is accurate, and these huge communities are largely unmoderated, then we have a pretty outstanding community here on Lemmy. Can you imagine the hate, vitriol, and absolute trash that would be visible if Twitter or Reddit were unmoderated? Yes we have some weird opinions and content, but nothing I've seen is overtly dangerous or hateful. Pretty cool, Lemmy. Pretty cool.
  
  Because sign ups were totally open during the Reddit Exodus was what started it, it lead to a huge influx of new users that had access to their instance while they run a tight show over there...
- I hope we'll get to a place where they'll refederate with us. They have some really interesting communities. I didn't sign up for an account there because I wasn't willing to write a 7 page essay and take the blood oath to be admitted. I'm exaggerating... a little.
  They want to be the "Elks Lodge" of the fediverse and that's totally fine. They were pretty transparent about their reasons for defederating with us and their reasons were understandable.
  
  Well, at the time, they hoped for eventual refederation, too. Personally, I do as well. We’ll see!
  
  I didn't sign up for an account there because I wasn't willing to write a 7 page essay
  Yeah, you're not welcome. Everyone calling a couple questions an "essay", can shitpost somewhere else. I'm not exaggerating a bit, if someone can't be bothered to think through a couple answers ONCE, I don't trust them to think through the rest of their comments either.
- 'low quality posts' is such pointless elitist bullshit
  
  To me, low-quality is when someone replies “lol” or “no you’re wrong lmao” vs a thoughtful post of multiple sentences.
  
  We used to call that a shit post... Back bone of online discourse
  
  Except that wasn't how they described it. They said they were getting a lot of posts that required moderator action, and people there said it was trolls and harassment.

The Beehaw admins made this choice, and documented their rationale here: https://beehaw.org/post/567170
- Man that is weird. Thank you for the link; I have such mixed feelings.
  On the one hand, yes I think it makes a ton of sense to vet your userbase if you want to cultivate a particular sort of discussion (i.e., you want thoughtful comments vs shitposts and memes). OTOH, the response reads like a "For WUSSIES ONLY" want ad. It's the internet dude, toughen up a little. For the same reason, HOLY SHIT how do you have an instance without downvote? You can't curate content on moderation a lone. But then, maybe that's why they are defederated.
  
  It's the internet dude, toughen up a little.
  That is such a weird take. People go and create a space deliberately aimed at making people feel more welcome than on the rest of the internet, and you come and shit on it because... Why? Are people not allowed to create and seek out spaces where they're at least semi-protected from the bullshit greeting them everywhere else? Or do you feel entitled to interact with everyone on the internet however you like, regardless of their needs, and are upset to find out that sometimes, you can't?
  I'm glad for you that you don't have the need for a place like beehaw, but other people sometimes just want to take a break from all the bullshit, and they have every right to do so, even on the internet.
  
  It's the internet dude, toughen up a little.
  What, can't take getting kicked out of the care bear club, tough guy? Their tiny wussie banhammers too much for you? Go ahead, downvote me, show everyone ALL your power!
  (Hi, this is my non-beehaw alt.)

Just popping up real fast to say, it's a pleasure seeing screenshots of my site while randomly scrolling through my feed. Thanks for using it!
https://defed.xyz/check/sh.itjust.works
- According to your tool no one has defederated Midwest.Social.
  
  Sure looks like it. Is that not the case? I'm not familiar with your instance.

Let beehaw do beehaw things and don't worry too much about it.

What is the name of this app?
- defed.xyz
  
  Site's dead?
  Edit: Here's another site that lists blocks...
  https://fba.ryona.agency/?domain=sh.itjust.works
  
  Thanks

Beehaw defederated everyone lmao
- The didn't defederate from instances that require approval to join, e.g. Midwest.social
- They didn't defederate lemm.ee :o)
  
  Lemm.ee is like the neutral planet, aside from the grot instances, we haven't been defeded or defended anyone yet as far as I'm aware.

To add to what others have said, the reason beehaw defederated is because they have particular rules (eg no downvotes) that they're very strict about to ensure that their instance is the safe space they want it to be. It's not so much that lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works users were acting up against beehaw, just that beehaw expects users to be very well behaved in their instance.
- In my experience with beehaw users, they are not well behaved.
  
  Beehaw, behave, beehive; there's some kinda joke there... honey?
  
  I have noticed a trend within myself, similar to out of state plates, that once I notice one rude user from an instance I spend a few days seeing other users from that instance being rude and goings "figures"
  never mind I encounter many perfectly pleasant users from that instance

My experience on Beehaw so far is that 80% of them are nice and 20% of them are Portlandia characters.

What about infosec.pub?
- I have an alt there, the admin defederated due to the infamous literal shit spammer.
  It might be worth informing him that the issue has been solved
  
  Based on the shit spam in this very thread... Not really

You can't say "we" on a fediverse system, because the post is gonna be seen by everyone everywhere. I'm not on sh.itjust.works, I'm viewing your post on kbin, and it's also gonna be seen on all the other lemmy servers that are federated with yours.
- They posted this on !main.
  
  That's my point exactly. Their title asks "Does anyone know why we’re defederated from beehaw?" but the majority of people reading this post will be on instances that AREN'T defederated with beehaw. The post needs to say "Does anyone know why sh.itjust.works is defederated from beehaw?"
- There appears to be some miscommunication between instances in this thread regarding how posts appear from other communities. I think many arguments are stemming from this, so to clear things up:
  It is trivial for users on sh.itjust.works to see what is posted where. It is less obvious for kbin.social users to do the same. Personally, I think it's a kbin issue for not surfacing enough post information.
  
  That's pretty awful. Can you at least get the instance if you hover over "main"?
- This is more of a problem about English making no distinction between "we" (us including you) and "we" (us excluding you)
  
  That's related, but it should still be pretty clear from context.
  If I say, "the current President doesn't represent us," I'm obviously not talking about the whole world, or even the whole country, but the specific subgroup that I'm a part of (i.e. maybe my demographic, political party, etc). If I say, "we need to take responsibility for the state of the planet," I'm talking about everyone in the whole world, not just me and my specific demographic or political party.
  It would be a lot clearer if we had better words in English, but it is usually quite clear from context. In this case, this is posted to the sh.itjust.works' "main" community, and the post specifically mentions sh.itjust.works in the image that's linked. It's pretty clear it's talking specifically about the sh.itjust.works instance.
  
  The same mistake could be made, since OP assumed the audience is the SIJW instance, thus using inclusive we, when actually its the whole federation, the exclusive we could have been used.
- Yup. Im reading this on kbin too, and my initial reaction was “Beehaw is defederated from kbin? When did that happen?!?”
- Yeah, really wish people would mention their instance, it's more of a guessing game trying to work out what people they're actually referring to

The short version is because the mods there are very special (in abad way) and like to gatekeep their echochamber as much as possible.
The long one is because they have a vision where their platform is more safe to its users which should be more likeminded individuals and would like to keep it as true and safe as possible acording to their vision, which im not sure what it really is, from what i heard is that they are very left leaning but in an extreme way and dont like discidents, so anyone thats not as likeminded as them is just straight up not welcome then. They probably call disicidents harasers and just ban them. So an echochamber.
Now officially what they said is that everybody but them sucks at moderating and wont refederate untill they dont suck anymore. They say thats because everyone doesnt have sophisticated tools for moderating but i think they just whant everyone to enforce their ideals everywhere else, and if thats the case i believe we are better of without them.
- 👆 Comments like this, is why.
  
  Well i rather be called a wanker and get downvoted to oblivion for commenting unpopular comments than to get straight up banned for it. Thats the type of shit that made me leave reddit instead of keep fighting overly sensitive jannies and nearsighted leadership. It just gets old really fast, and its no way to live.

- Citation needed
- Attacks AOC, Obama, and Biden while praising Ramaswamy and spewing whataboutisims every time Trump is mentioned. Complains bitterly that Bill Nye is political because he said climate change. Claims everyone else is a fake liberal. Yeah this is just a MAGAT pretending to be liberal again
  
  Bill Nye is political
  To be fair, he actually is quite political. That doesn't make him wrong, it just means at least recently he has been using more political rhetoric when discussing science.
  I agree with the rest of what you said though.
  
  Also claims rich men north of Richmond, a song FILLED with conservative talking points is a leftwing perspective
  
  Obama deported twice as many as trump and dropped more bombs than bush. Your brainwashing is showing.