THIS JUST IN: FBI suspects Kirk was likely targeted, more info to come
THIS JUST IN: FBI suspects Kirk was likely targeted, more info to come
Still investigating cause of death, but it appears to be some sort of puncture wound in the neck region
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Next up: FBI confirms a firearm was used in the shooting.
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Ongoing: FBI suspect that political landscape might be toxic
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BREAKING: FBI Increasingly Suspects Murder As Cause of Death in Kirk Shooting
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TIL that I could be in the FBI. Great detective work guys.
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When you realize how low the bar is, you should never have imposter syndrome again. At this point the remaining federal government is only composed of Trump loyalists.
The claims of meritocracy replacing DEI are beyond ridiculous. How many campus shooters have ever just walked away like this? This was a high profile assassination. The fact that they still have not found the guy that did this, should let you know they either let this happen or they're now just completely incompetent. I'm leaning towards the former, but the latter is definitely a possibility.
Anybody can just be handed power and control under this administration, no matter how unqualified. That is how the right has been operating for the last 25+ years. Literally that is why people keep joining this grift. If you're willing to pledge loyalty, take advantage of people, and help destroy your own country, you can make bank.
The people that fund the right refuse to let a penny of their money go towards taxes to pay for public services, but they will literally throw absurd amounts of money at anything that promotes their agenda. They would pay somebody to publicly set their own money on fire, if it meant that person could convince a handful of people to keep voting Republican.
The really sad thing is, there is some truth to the left (or at least the Democratic party) becoming so comfortable being cemented in established norms and institutions, that they have managed to become exclusionary and made a big chunk of the U.S. feel alienated.
Like a lot of the institutions on the left have become what the Republican party was when the new right was first forming. Everybody "new" actually has connections to somebody already established in the party. They're usually somebody's kid, relative, or family friend, or they attended the same Ivy League and were recruited by somebody in the establishment.
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I read a really interesting article years ago that spoke about that happening on Communist China back in Mao's time. Essentially all the folks who were competent retired/replaced by folks with connections to the party not the role. Thus corruption infiltrated.
I can't find the article and I don't remember the professor's name who wrote it but I remember thinking it was odd that a Chinese professor was writing about the government and letting it be published. I think he may have gotten in trouble after the fact or something else.
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Crazy times to live when you see the FBI go from Darth Vader to Dark Helmet.
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Holding press conferences with the visor down ... sounding loud, hollow and important ... every once in a while opening the visor to show an idiot trying to clarify what they said.
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They went right over his Helmet!
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Right? Won't be able to have a serious movie about the FBI for the next 30 years
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Their (they 're....i am incompetent)counting on AI to do the Darth Vader shit for Darth Helmet.... we're fucked
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Do you mean to say it wasn't a random bullet?
I never would have reached that conclusion on my own, thank you FBI, you are truly the world's greatest detectives. Thinking outside the box!
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His neck actually just did that by itself
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I feel like there are parts of the country where it does need to be clarified. Utah may be one of them. 😉
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Be fair. They recently fired all their good agents. The sycophants that are left are trying their very best.
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Tinfoil hat time: Based on the close up of the shooting, it looks like he got shot right in the corrotid artery, which has a very high mortality rating. This wasn't a lucky shot, this was well aimed. If you look at the tape, it doesn't look like someone in the crowd had a gun, no one in the crowd was reacting before the shot occurred, and no one saw a gun pulled. In the crowd full of people, how to you avoid everyone else and make a kill shot like that? I legit believe this was a shot taken from far away and the person that took the shot had the ability to make a sniper shot like that, (some form of police/military training.) Then, before he's been officially pronounced dead, Trump posts "The Great, and even Legendary, Charlie Kirk, is dead. No one understood or had the Heart of the Youth in the United States of America better than Charlie. He was loved and admired by ALL, especially me, and now, he is no longer with us. Melania and my Sympathies go out to his beautiful wife Erika, and family. Charlie, we love you!" Trump wrote on his social media platform. If he hadn't officially been declared dead, why was Trump saying that Charlie Kirk was dead before it was official. Next Trump is blaming the left with no proof. I'm calling it, Trump had Kirk assassinated as a false flag operation, and this will be trump's reischtag fire. Buckle up. Edit: NYT is saying the shot came from a roof via a high power bolt action rifle, because the gun was found in the woods near the campus. Authorities also claim to have video footage of the suspect going to the roof of a campus building.
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The shooting spot was about 250 yards away. That's WWII sniping range, but not particularly far for modern precision rifles. According to Ryan Cleckner (US Army Ranger sniper), precision marksman training in the Army makes you use iron sights out to 600 yards. A good setup these days can hit a dinner plate (read: a human head) at 1000 yards, and that's not even pushing it.
They didn't have to hit him the neck. They just needed to hit the general head area. They got lucky hitting the artery dead on, but any head hit has a very high probability of death.
There are millions of bench rest shooters with a bolt action rifle who could make that shot.
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If you have a regular 30.06 bullet with a rifle sighted in at 200 yards, it will hit around 5" lower than you aim at 250 yards depending on the gun and conditions.
If you have it sighted in at 300 yards and aim for center mass (heart) the bullet will hit around 5" above where they are aiming.
In both conditions the bullet hits the neck area.
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Whoever did it, at least we know (s)he had to be part of a well regulated militia
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Shooter was probably aiming for head and the bullet lost a few inches of altitude in the air
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You don’t think that maybe trump just doesn’t wait for a news article to be posted? Maybe he got a call and since he’s incessantly posting tweets he did it before an editor could approve the news article change? There’s a lot more simple explanations.
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Yes, this is also highly likely, which is why I started my post with "tin foil hat time." Even if that's the case, even if the govt had 0 involvement in his death, I still think this incident will be used as a means for trump to further solidify power.
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false flag operation
Claims like this give both too much credit for action and too little to strategy.
- there’s no reason to believe this specific action was a false flag operation when in the current environment it’s simple to believe a radicalized individual
- isn’t that one of the benefits of the continuous hatred, outrage, divisiveness, chaos? There’s always going to be stuff like this happening, so you always have an event to capitalize on without the risk of doing it yourself
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Based on the close up of the shooting, it looks like he got shot right in the corrotid artery,
There are two carotid arteries. Based on the footage, it looks to me like only his left carotid artery got hit. It would make sense because bullets make a way bigger hole when exiting than they do when entering.
I don't think anyone, no matter how skilled they are, would be aiming to do that. It's way more likely to be a failed headshot or shot to the torso. -
There is video of a person dressed in black skedaddling back over the rooftop, clearly the shooter. No sane shooter is aiming for the neck, hell no. Pretty sure it was a chest shot that tumbled around his ribcage and exited his neck. Weird shit happens when a teeny projectile hits meat and bone at 3,400FPS.
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On the day before 9/11 of all days.
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+1
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I don't think he was shot, I think his neck just did that
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A truck backfired at the same time.
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"Grunthos was reported to have been "disappointed" by the poem's reception, and was about to embark on a reading of his 12-book epic entitled "My Favourite Bathtime Gurgles" when his own major intestine, in a desperate attempt to save humanity, leapt straight up through his neck and throttled his brain. " --Douglas Adams HHGTTG
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It did not in fact do that ay all. Special effects. Crisis actor.
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The bullshit could no longer be contained.
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No this wasn't a school shooting! This was targeted. The horror!
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After a day of rigorous forensics, we have concluded that Charlie Kirk's neck didn't just do that on its own.
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clearly worse than mass shootings!
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and also not the 2 dem politicians that were assasinated and targeted too.
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Now Trump is going to send the army to guard the streets of buttfuck nowhere Utah from all this violence, right? Right?
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Everyone knows the shooter was from Chicago, so this still counts as Chicago crime
/s
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Honestly, it would be some pretty funny shit if he got hit by a random bullet someone shot into the air from like a mile or so.
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The blood shooting from Mr. Kirks neck alone was not good enough evidence to determine if the shooter hit what he was targeting. Great work FBI. At this rate, you'll soon be able to confirm the shooter used a gun.
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His neck just did that.
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TBF the laws in the USA are wack enough that the weapon might not fall under the definition of deadly weapon and therefore firearms related crime.
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Better still:
Mr Kirk was on his "Prove me Wrong" tour.
And the assassin chose to prove Mr Kirk wrong in a way words couldn't.
However - If spending money can legally be protected as "free speech" in the US, then what other actions could be considered "free speech" and therefore is protected under the first amendment?
If Mr Kirk was openly asking to be proven wrong, then couldn't the assassins bullet be protected under free speech as a clear (but violent) answer to that question?
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Nah, stray bullet bro.
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FAR too many "coincidences" for this to not have been an inside job.
The weird pre-prepared AI video of Trump announcing his death
The plane randomly arriving and likely picking the shooter up
The shooter being clearly an expert marksman
The right all coordinating to declare a civil war within seconds of it happening
The FBI conveniently not being able to find the guy
Not 1 but 2 plants in the crowd to distract authorities
Etc etc etc.
Release the Epstein files you orange pedophile piece of shit.
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What's the story with plane and the plants in the crowd?
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A private jet at a close by airport took off at about enough time for the shooter to hop on board and escape. It unexplainably disappeared off radar as it crossed into Arizona, then it came back an hour later.
As for the plant, the old guy they first arrested was claiming he shot Kirk.
https://www.sltrib.com/news/2025/09/10/george-zinn-what-we-know-about-man/
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This is the same government that couldn't keep a sexual act between two consenting adults secret. You're being paranoid.
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They also kept the Manhattan Project secret so there is that.
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This isn't the same government.
That government didn't have nearly the same complicit media, nor federal agencies that this one does.
Shit, it didn't even have the same ones as immediately after 9/11.
You severely underestimate just how bad things have gotten. Take a god damn look at the absolute blazing fire this administration has set to our constitution and law. This is unprecedented times.
Its not that we're paranoid, its that you stick your head in the sand.
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What's up with the AI thing? Are we veering off into QAnon territory or is something looking particularly fishy?
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There's nothing conspiratorial about it.
Trump's video announcing the death of Charlie Kirk is clearly AI.
His hands change size and barely move
His entire body and head is far too stiff and moves unnaturally
The video itself seems off, as if its missing detail loke any AI vids do
His voice is unusually monotoned, even for his "serious" voice
Almost none of his typical Trumpisms like fucking up his words, slurring his words nor going off on a tangent were there
And, of course, just today at the 9/11 memorial event his right side of his face is drooping.
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Here's a video of Trump today https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/1neg8de/trumps_face_appeared_noticeably_drooped_on_one/
Here's a video of him yesterday. ~~ https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1965940221612273913/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1965940221612273913¤tTweetUser=disclosetv ~~
In the second video, there's even a weird glitch at about 18 seconds, where he says "Charlie was a patriot" and if you look over his head there's like a shift or something that is noticeable.
I noticed this yesterday, I think its at least edited, but seeing him today..he does not look quite as feisty as usual. Its not worth spending time on, proving that a video was faked is not exactly the most pressing issue of our time. But I think there's merit to the claim
EDIT : The video I think is AI generated was taken down from twitter and the WH YouTube. Here's a secondary source, the "glitch" is around 1:05. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F5hsx6Tii0E A video with the glitchy frames cut from the video was published by the Guardian.
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Wild, I was pretty sure his neck just did that.
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No fucking shit he was targeted. That is how you aim a gun.
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What was the theory before? Crime of passion, gun and run?
Like he just had a "say what again" moment to that bullshit Kirk was saying on stage?
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My theory is that trump literally sacrificed him for several reasons.
- Shore up the base who was being lost due to Epstein/bankruptcy by giving a clear enemy (the left, who definitely did this, because they are mean)
- Cause a massive distraction to the Epstein files
- Give ample cover to crack down on political enemies with ease
- Get rid of Charlie Kirk. I mean what a d-bag. No one liked him.
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It would explain how Trump had that tweet ready so quickly.
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Luigi was caught in like 24 hours (edit: as pointed out, more like 5 days) with a manifesto, confession, gun, bodycam footage, and a gps tracker that proves he done it.
This guy is a ghost.
BUT THEYVE SECURED THE WOODS GUISE!
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Luigi was missing for a few days, after executing a masterful getaway in the middle of the day in the largest city in the country. Then just randomly shows up at a McDonalds with everything needed to convict him packaged together in a bag. Definitely not unusual at all. Nothing to see here folks! The system works and the police are master investigators. It's impossible to get away with a crime like this!
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They haven't found the right Democrat to frame yet.
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Luigi Mangione was not apprehended for five days. That's a lot more than 24 hours for anyone doing the math.
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I’m sick today. But even if I weren’t, I wouldn’t be doing the math.
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Footage was out day 1 of the guy that killed Brian Thompson
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Hmmmm... think about how hard tracking a sniper would be on a university campus via surveillance cameras if they dressed to fit in. A black computer backpack from big box store combined with a university branded outfit and hat. Then walk into highly congested areas like a student union building and make a quick change into a different university branded outfit.
They could then walk to public transit with the crowd of people as the officials shut down the school.
Yes well trained people with the right software could eventually figure it out but it would take time.
The longer it takes the more chance the shooter gets away.
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It is amazing that Trump sacrifices his personal Joseph Göbbels just to distract from the Epstein files.
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I'm no expert, but if you hit someone, it means you targeted them.
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I was gonna say this. Of course he was fucking targeted. You don't just fire randomly and accidentally.
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Well you never know when it's a MAGA event...
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Usually. Sometimes not. Like those people somewhere in the middle east, celebrating a wedding, shooting their AK47s in the air, and the groom getting killed that way...
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The "nearby woods" have been secured, lol. Yeah, you do that. Watch out for the deer and bears and shit.
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Well, they had to say they've done something.
In a month or two theyll pin it on someone, mangione style. Just to keep COG; the perception that there os punishment is more important than actually solving the mystery. I'd guess someone less pretty and less sympathetic this time. Maaaaaybe someone queer.
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That’s where the killer fled. Wouldn’t that be normal to search and clear that area?
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Can we stark calling the shooter Mario? I wish he had a better escape plan like a janitor outfit and beard
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Geniuses ... guy who called for violence against people, wanted to deny people's rights, making fun of their misery, downplaying deaths of other people, publicly mocking others in distress and making millions of dollars off it all ... and doing it all on a daily basis on national platforms with a following of millions .... FBI suddenly thinks that people might want to kill this person.
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I think the FBI merely made an official statement and the media was starving for anything new to print.
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I'm getting shit for not crying my face off meanwhile the FBI making dad jokes!?
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So Trump's gonna send NG troops to Utah right? The crime in these red states is really out of control.
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For real. One dork gets beat up in DC, and here comes martial law.
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Well to be fair; this was a deepstate deepfake false flag with a crowd full of crisis actors. Kirk actually got cosmetic surgery to have a normal size face and is living out his live on some island with a sweet pension.
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Pretty sure the puncture wound was from a random meteorite falling from the sky.
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What a way to find Jesus
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Like, duh. In other news: water is wet.
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Why is no one questioning God's involvement?
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Of course he was targeted. The man dedicated his entire career to spreading misinformation and hatred. He reaped what he sowed.
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Gosh you mean someone executed a perfectly aimed shot into his carotid and picked him off like a clay pigeon in a shooting gallery, escaped a security patrolled event without being identified, and you think that might not be just some rando? Wow FBI that's some stellar detective work!
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The Kash Patel special
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Look, the only qualifications now are loyalty to the party, so they might not be the sharpest, but at least they have a job, in this economy? Who could blame them for just vibing
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Nah, his neck kinda just did that
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I mean... fuckface got got during a school shooting. LOTS of people get murdered during school shootings every fucking day in this country because we worship assault rifles.
It actually makes a lot of sense to indicate if this was a targeted assassination or if someone missed while aiming at kindergarten nap time.
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It's sad that this is a valid point.
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No no no. It is Freedom! The Freedom to celebrate guns' rights and to sacrifice your loved ones in the name of making sure Ted down the street can have five assault rifles in his living room.
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Current FBI is like 5th graders playing FBi. It’s hilarious how bad it is.
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So, my aunt was there and said she was in charge of securing the trees. Said the trees in front of the student union only took 3 hours to secure.
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There may have been a weapon "aimed" or "targeted" at the victim for the shooting to occur. The FBI is 60% certain that a random bullet did not magically manifest and hit the racist conservative idiot in the neck.
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Send up the Bat signal! The pod cast bros running the FBI don't have a fucking CLUE.
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it sure as hell was not random.
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Whoa damn. Release the Epstein files.
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How suprising! I thought someone was just randomly walking around with a gun and picked him!
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Their original mark didn't show up so they took the windfall....
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Those FBI guys are the best of the best...
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...of the best. 🤣
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SIR!
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I thought it was gang violence.
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What a relief that they "secured" those nearby trees.
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EPSTEIN FILES. NOW.
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Generally when someone is shot, they are indeed targeted. I know the concept of aiming is somewhat anathema to you Americans, but it is often much more effective than your usual approach to firearms.
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Your slurs are ironically inaccurate to the point where it still causes the US Army difficulty
Look up the "The Cult of the Rifleman"
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Oh? Like maybe the hate finally needed to break free of his hotdog skin?
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i think i probably have a better chance of finding the killer if i wanted to than this administration.
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Uh, duh?
Cripes the FBI has fallen so far since Trump has taken office again. I guess they really did lose a lot of their best and brightest due to having a unqualified moron in charge.
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I mean sure, how else would you shoot someone? By not taking aim?
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I mean duh, that's how you aim
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It's called gun control, motherfucker.
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No, no, this is the system working as they said it would. Good guy with a gun took out the bad guy. In what is probably a first.
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Gun control means hitting that your aiming at. He had pretty damn good control
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Willy Wonka - Cheer Up Charlie
At least the woods are secure.
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Targeted by feds as a false flag. And by feds I don't mean all fed, I mean corrupt ones. They kind that manipulate regular people to do crazy shit.
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Well. They've secured the local woods so we're good.
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I didn't know people still used Internet Explorer!
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Did they check every farm house, hen house, dog house and out house in the area?
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I hate that this fuck has the last name Kirk. Huge Star Trek fan
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Somebody make the reaper meme with reaper super excited
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Those guys are professionals and it shows. Amazing work in just a few hours.
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Ammunition in Kirk Shooting Engraved With Transgender, Antifascist Ideology: Sources WSJ Last Updated: Sep. 11, 2025 at 11:06 AM ET
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They redacted.
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For real, this isn’t a shitpost. Delete this—it doesn’t belong here. Also, I don’t give a fuck.
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You obviously think the post is shit lmao
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Of course he was targeted. The shooter is likely dead by now. They probably called it Operation Watch Charlie or something.
He was killed as a distraction.
Possible... but he had a lot of enemies, and there's more and more people with literally nothing left to lose in the USA every single day, so it was probably inevitable on a long enough timescale.
Who would have thought that making millions of people's lives actively worse in an already not great time in the most widely-armed country in the world could have POSSIBLY led to current events???
Susie Wiles: "Sir, they leaked the live copy of your letter to Jeffery Epstein. It's having absolutely no effect on your public approval and Congress seems incapable of doing anything to stall your accrual of executive level powers. What should we do?"
Trump: "I'm a great president, Susie. Some say I'm the greatest president who ever lived. That's why I make the big decisions. And I've been thinking about this for a long time. We've got to save the nation. We need to get stronger. Some people are saying we're not strong, but they're wrong, Susie. This is the best this country has ever been and it's only going to get better. Are you ready to make this country better, Susie? I don't think you're ready... you're nodding. Does that mean you're ready?"
Susie Wiles: "Yes, Mr. President. Anything for you, Mr. President."
Trump: "Go talk to Pete Hegseth. He'll tell you what to do."
Pete Hegseth, drunkenly: "Susthy, ith so good to thee you again. But I lothe to wath you leaf."
Susie Wiles: "The President said you would know what to do."
Pete: "Yeah, uh... kill the big head guy. You know the one. With the tiny face."
Susie: "Charlie Kirk"
Pete: loud burping noise
Susie: "Right away, Mr. War Fighter Commander Pete."
sounds of gunfire
Susie Wiles: "Mr. President! In a strange turn of fate, it appears someone else shot Charlie Kirk before we could get to him."
Trump: "All according to plan, Susie. I'm the smartest man who ever lived. You can thank me with a kiss. Get over here, sweetie."
Susie: you can grab me by the pussy. I'll just let you do it.
Will this be excuse to send military to Utah or is he planning something else?
The bullet was fired from Chicago.
He's planning on going after all political dissenters from what he said when he addressed the nation yesterday
Trump sending the military to Orem would be really friggin weird. Unless he's sending a brigade of recruiters.
What was the timing of the US Senate vote to not release the Epstein Files?
I swear you people would watch World War III kick off, vomiting your own digestive system out from acute radiation sickness, and still be saying "This is just a distraction from Epstein!"
More than one thing can happen on planet Earth. It doesn't all have to tie back to Trump and Epstein.
Hey man, we’re giving him the care and consideration he gave to sandy hook
As a wise man (i.e. me) once memed:
That's what someone who wants to distract from Epstein would say!
yeah but where are they?
The World War 3 has already has started, just many are refusing to acknowledge it. If Ukraine won't stop Russia it will continue to the rest of the Europe. We already North Korea fighting within Europe.
Going back to trump, he is all about himself and no empathy towards others. He is willing to get Ukrainians and Palestinians killed in exchange for whatever putin and bibi are giving him. He had no problem of having two politicians assassinated to just distract from No King protests.
So yeah, I wouldn't put past him to use him for political gain, like excuse to deploy military in Utah or some other goal he wants to achieve.
Wasn't Kirk on the release Epstein files bandwagon anyway? That sounds like something that would let you fall out of favor.
We are no longer in the first term where there were people that would say "no" to him.
uuh.... Oooh yeah (most, mostly right wingers) Americans always consider themselves as the only nation on this world. Yeah go ahead, do it.