Been seeing a lot of posts about replacing Spotify and such, so I wrote up a guide on how I did just that

Y e p. It's a nightmare tbh. No ethical consumption under capitalism etc etc

The only way to be a truly moral person on this planet is to not participate in society and go completely 100% off grid. Even then the Good Place did a great episode on that, and they're right, you're not really living then either. It's all just about what you're willing to put up with

You have to draw your own lines. For me I dont focus on all the bad choices, I pick something im interested in and then look at the options and try pick the choice I like the most. One thing at a time and before you know it you've made major choices in several areas of daily life.

i just wanted a place i can hang out with real people without corporations mediating it. also no brainwashing by advertising.

seems like i found it for now.

Yesterday I got into a "funny image" post showing someone who couldn't use the correct date format online and quickly found a comment, with tailors, about the most efficient way of searching through a date-time format. I stopped and just thought that was the most "Reddit"moment I've had so far here and it felt nice

It's the type of crowd that self hosting brings. We're very much more Lemmings than Redditors by trade, so it does make sense the community here is better.

That, and fuck reddit.

Self-hosters are probably the type of people who are interested in getting away from "big tech" corporate solutions for everything, so it makes sense that they would prefer Fediverse versions

One reason could be that the audience on lemmy has a left-ish bias and there's a political component to the Spotify exodus.

Edit: don't get me wrong, I love seeing content and engagement on here.

I think I made a note about that, but you're right I should make it more apparent. I did use the blampe/hearring-aid build here which solves the issue for the short term, but I'll add a clearer note to futureproof it for when the main builds are fixed.

Yeah and it’s been proper fucked for months. I set up anew server on my Mac mini M4 months ago and every now and then I spin up lidarr again to see if it is fixed and nope, won’t recognise a single album in my entire collection and can’t even manually add an artist.

Headphones is pretty terrible and slow, but it has the benefit of working.

This is how I feel with just my spouse. Spotify absorbs so much ADD energy and immediate new music whiplash that I can't help but be OK with it.

The alternative is to be up at 4:00am on Oct 13 ripping T-Swizzle MP3s from YT.

You don't have to host your whole family's library though. You can start with whatever you want and be on the road to improving your setup.

Annoyance: Can't scan your music library from the PlexAmp app, can't scan it from the Plex app either. Super frustrating when music as added and you have to struggle with pop-up navigation on the Plex desktop site on mobile.

Game breaker: maybe it's just really hard to find and undocumented, but there doesn't seem to be a way to use profiles with PlexAmp, either to have individual play history and playlists, or to age restrict some music content.

Bought a 200€ lifetime abonnement and my daughter have to pay to use Plex on her phone even when using my 200€ paid Plex server. They lost me when they asked the user of a paid subscritpion pay. Fuck it.

Didnt touch Jellyfin for ~2 years (except tweaking hardware acceleration) besides updating it.
Worked fine for me.
At worst you will get security problems from unpatched bugs or loose compatibility from external services, e.g. the musicbrainz API connection in lidarr.

Interested as well. I want to get into this as I just cancelled my Spotify subscription but I'm a bit overwhelmed by the process

You go!! I'll keep all my cds, tapes, and records as long as we have players for them!

all the jellyfin music clients have weird glitches with band names and metadata. this has been with almost every (android) jellyfin client on 3 different Jellyfin servers over the years

i was almost completely sold on Jellyfin being my music server but it wasn't quite ready for me, or possibly there is something about my library it doesn't like.

i‘ve first used jellyfin for movies and series for a while and then decided i also wanted to add music streaming to my nas, so i put it into jellyfin. there were a couple of things that bugged me though, and so i also installed navidrome. jellyfin and navidrome have access to the same directory with all the music i own, and i have both finamp as well as amperfy on my iphone, and i really quite prefer navidrome with amperfy. so i would say that if you already got jellyfin for movies/ series and you don’t need a lot for a music streaming platform, it’s perfectly fine. however, if you need some more music streaming specific stuff, like a nice workflow for creating playlists, you may prefer to add navidrome.

Jellyfin sucks for music. I tried it several times, hoping it got better, but unfortunately it's not the case. For the moment I'm still using Navidrome (which I used for the last 3-4 years without problems).

I agree, but only up to a point. If you like to discover loads of music because you listen to tracks all day at work for example (which can make you get bored of tracks/albums quickly when you play them a hundred times in one day), its much harder to do so when you have to use a different service for recommendations & listening.

Not so much that I haven't done that myself, but it is more time consuming.

So tl;dr its the discovery part thats a pain, at least for me.

(Speaking from experience)

Edit: i just clicked on the post and it covers discovery, ima have to read that later.

Very wrong

I've been working on the same and ran into the same issue. If not Bandcamp, I've had success on Qobuz. Their streaming payments to artists, last I checked, are substantially higher than anywhere else I've looked. I'm hoping the same is true of their music sales but I'm sure half of that is dependent on the labels, which likely have something to do with their not being on Bandcamp... or maybe that's just my cynicism. I know little about how things work in the industry I just want to pay artists for their amazing work.

Bandcamp is where I do most of my shopping. Not sure where you are located. In Europe, for alternatives I use Qobuz and have used Bleep.
I tend to use it for more "commercial" albums.

I really need to get into a better habit of waiting for their friday events lmao, but yeah that's where I get most of mine from as well. Otherwise, sometimes a physical record comes with a download slip or w/e, or I'll just go find a download for something I already physically own. But for purchasing digital, Bandcamp is king right now, and I'm definitely interested in other options that are out there too.

Soon 🏴‍☠️

This is a bit over my own head as I've only been dabbling with it recently, but so far from what I've found that seems to be the case.

You can get creative with the Rules, but that's always accepting a level of risk. Like to get Beszel and Komodo Periphery working on my VPS, I technically expose some services, but I keep Pangolin's auth enabled and use the rules to restrict it to certain paths and only my own public IP to bypass auth (1. Allow: my IP, 2. Always deny 0.0.0.0/0).

Funkwhale is fucking awful. It's awful to setup, it's awful on resource usage, it's awful to manage with multiple users who may share libraries.

I'm not sure how they could fix it without a rewrite.

Link's broken

You can connect navidrome and many other music players to listenbrainz.org. Like Spotify it creates an end of the year report and it also does recommendations like the weekly spotify playlist.

@oldmansbeard @nfreak If the device you're playing them on can run www.last.fm app then that would give you that kind of insight to the data it uploads on your listening habits

It is not free or open source but is software. FWIW I use it and like it. It's a one time fee and not a subscription service. The fee is under 10 USD. The program requires minimal permissions and doesn't even ask for (I.e. opt-in) for much more than it really needs to run. I find it relatively intuitive and it works with android auto which is something I really want in a media player/library at the moment.

Dsub2000 and Tempo are active FOSS alternatives.

Appreciate it! I literally just slapped it together just for this post LOL but I'll probably start using it some more, kinda therapeutic in a way. The assets are all recycled from my streaming days, may as well still get some use out of em

Many don't run into dir structure issues because they have already organised their libraries with beets or an equivalent. I don't personally have any issues with playing albums either. Some of the issues you are talking about seem to be client side, are you only testing the web interfaces?

For Jellyfin I really like Manet and Finamp

I like Amperfy and I think Navidrome has a Subsonic API: https://github.com/BLeeEZ/amperfy

I’ve been using play:Sub for years (for subsonic, then airsonic).

i like use amperfy on ios and i think it’s nice. for jellyfin i tried finamp, but i disliked music streaming via jellyfin in the end (mainly because making playlists was a hassle)

amperfy takes me back to the old days when i used itunes and an ipod touch interface wise

I use a Navidrome server and ProjectBlue app on my Android. I haven't figured out how to download music for offline use by using my ProjectBlue app though.

I would imagine they mean something like jellyfin/plex, which don't necessarily get you away from torrents. Unless you want to go the slightly more legal route of ripping DVDs and Blu-rays and re-encoding everything for yourself. I say "slightly more legal" because while you are legally allowed a backup or archival copy of your own media (in the US), you still usually have to violate the DMCA to break encryption so you can rip your archival copy.

For me it's YouTube.

Yes! For Spotify I've been using stats.fm (app/site). Iirc it's paid (one time in app, but cheap). And they walk you through emailing Spotify support to get ALL of your listening history from day 1 to import into the app. After that it will just continue via connection to your Spotify.

If your use case is only desktop and phone, KDE Connect can do it independently from your music service. Works in both directions as well.

That's something I've struggled to find so far unfortunately. Maybe something exists but I haven't found an answer yet.

That whole Spotify Connect feature and Sonos support is what keeps me in the ecosystem, unfortunately...

Jellyfin has a remote control feature that lets you do something like this, I use it quite a lot for music.

Maybe Navidrome's jukebox mode, although I suspect it's a slightly different idea (and it was a bit buggy last time I tried it).

1. Closed non-federated streaming platform; requires an Internet connection.
2. Requires a subscription for a lot of basic functionality.
3. Even though it requires a subscription, they barely pay artists - the only ongoing benefit to using a non-pirate setup.
4. The increasing amount of "Perfect Fit Content" & LLM-generated music in playlists to avoid said payments.
5. They provide a guaranteed platform to political podcasts.
6. Audio quality is not only dependent on the subscription, but even the top-tier is generally subpar and can vary based on how they throttle you that day.
7. As a platform for mass appeal, discoverability is, loosely speaking, crud.

Pick any of those you like.

Hope you like face ID!

At least from my understanding (specifically for Navidrome here), there's no way to differentiate which user owns which track/album if they're in the same location. Navidrome's multilibrary configuration is basically just telling it "hey this folder is this library, that folder is that library". A combined single folder is perfectly fine if users are fine with that, but in my use case my wife and I have dramatically different tastes so it makes more sense to separate it all out.

What's wrong with jsdelivr?

If you use Plex it’s an absolute cinch to host your own music. Even if you don’t use Plex already it takes 5 mins to setup and you’re streaming your music to your hearts content.

I've honestly never understood people who feel the need to "replace" Spotify. ... Spotify has never made sense for my use-case.

I don't know how to say this, but...you have extremely uncommon use-cases:

...during those times, my phone is either fully turned off (so I'll use an MP3 player), or it's in Airplane Mode.

Many people listen to music on stereos and don't necessarily want a device plugged in, so

I just download the music I like to my device and listen to it via VLC.

either doesn't work or is substantially less convenient than e.g. casting from a phone.

Not hating on your setup at all, but it's very niche, in my experience.

It's not even AI, music players have been doing this for ages. It's tagging and labeling of the songs

If you're not trying to cultivate your own tastes then you're just letting a corporate blackbox drive your interests and aesthetics.