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You can’t gaslight me into thinking Gavin Newsom is our last hope...

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I will never forget that Gavin Newsom vetoed ranked choice voting in CA. He's already demonstrated that he is anti-democratic. I would vote against Trump every time no matter who the DNC put up, including Newsom, but I would be holding my nose yet again to vote for the less shitty of two shitty choices. The DNC can't keep running on "we're not Trump." They needed to give us a candidate we actually wanted.
- I would vote against Trump every time no matter who the DNC put up
  They needed to give us a candidate we actually wanted.
  Apparently they don't
  
  Astute viewers at home may have noticed that the Democrats just lost the last election with that strategy. Just because I'll hold my nose and do the necessary thing doesn't mean everyone else will. In fact, they didn't.

The really weird thing I've noticed lately is just how vocal the "this isn't the time to divide the left" crowd are, when the elections are so far off. This is exactly the right time to be having a serious reckoning on what the Democratic Party should be, and that isn't going to happen unless there is a credible threat of losing left-wing voters.
- If we’re not allowed to criticize candidates in the general then I’m gonna criticize them extra hard in the primaries.
  I’m gonna have to vote for whoever everyone else picks anyway because my choice has literally never won.
  
  What primary? I believe the little switcheroo they pulled to try and shove Kamalama-ding-dong down democrats throats, was on purpose. That makes 3 primaries in a row that the DNC fucked over democrats, which is why I registered Independent the last time I got a new license.
- Well yeah? You didn’t think they were being earnest, the point has always been to get you to shut up and simply vote for whoever they want you too.
  
  Bingo. The rhetoric exists specifically to deter any consideration about defecting from the party line because they aren't actually of the left, they are the right wing defense of the capitalist status quo; the same capitalist status quo that is currently devolving into fascism in its late stages.
  
  "I can prove with statistics that you're a Nazi enabler (just as long as you don't look at the statistics, and also you make all the same assumptions as me about how other people would have voted in my hypothetical scenario)"
- These are the same type of people who actively support neoliberalism and want to sabatoge the left. Ask them if they support Zohran Mamdani.
  
  or that minnesota? mayor they threw in teh bus, and david hoggs they also did too.
- Instead of trying to tear down the other Dems, why aren't you trying to build up your candidates?
  Bernie is better about this than you are. Follow his lead.
  
  So terrible to “tear down” (criticize) a politician siding with the far right on trans people. His feelings are much more important than trans kids being safe and healthy, obviously.
  If Bernie has told anyone to shut up about Newsom’s transphobia he can also fuck off.
  By the way, all this “tearing down” has a super easy fix. All he has to do is stop being a fucking transphobe. If it’s so important that everyone supports him, you should call his office and tell him to walk that shit back. Because it’s going to lose him voters if he tries a presidential run.
  
  because they would lose thier tax cuts benefits from the gop, which they almost never reverse, and money and power that comes with being part of the inner circle of the DNC, which is basically gop lite.

What's crazy is the DNC and state parties are partnering with Bernie and AOC for a national tour to retake the House...
And people see Newsom's shit posts and legitimately say:
At least he's doing something
All he's fucking doing is eating up the media's attention so they don't have to talk about actual shit.
- He's also redistricting California and refusing to cooperate with Trump like other states have, such as volunteering national guard or mandating police cooperate with ICE, although the only instance I personally know of the police cooperating with ICE was in Denver Colorado and the state is now suing the deputy involved in that scandal.
  That sad, it's not really fair to compare Newsom doing stuff to federal congressmen because, and this is true, congress is not currently in session for the entire month of August with the exception of very few senate meetings and scheduled hearings.
  
  He’s also redistricting California
  Eggs ain't chickens...
  Besides, it's not on Newsom to do that, there's nothing he's actually doing.
  It's handled by lower level state politicians deciding on if Cali voters will have a chance to vote on if it should happen.
  If Newsom was just a megaphone and was talking about the work those people were doing to make it happen, I wouldn't be so negative about him. But he's textbook CEO claiming they personally built a product. He's Elon Musk before most people realized he's a piece of shit.
  We have the best chance in 30 years for a progressive to win the Dem primary and then the general. We can't waste it just because Newsom hired some teenager for meme research.
  
  He's also redistricting California
  He got it on the ballot. He has no control over what voters do. It’s likely to pass, but if it doesn’t he gets to go “aw shucks, I tried!”
  and refusing to cooperate with Trump like other states have, such as volunteering national guard
  I mean, Trump deployed the California National Guard anyway. Not volunteering them didn’t actually accomplish anything.
  I’m sorry to hammer on this but it’s important to not give him credit for things he didn’t actually do. The media disinformation/lack of proper explanation in articles about what exactly is going on with California redistricting makes it seem to many like Newsom is a magic man who’s making a bunch of new Democratic districts tomorrow, but it’s not even on the ballot until November and it’s not a guaranteed thing.

There are many better options than Newsom, and if the dem party can't find true representatives, the party needs to be reborn.
- A reborn dem party without a majority is just endorsing the nazis remain in power.
  
  You know, I bought this in 2016, 2020 and 2024. I don't anymore. Biden is a clear example of why this argument fails: He got elected because everyone held their nose and voted for him, to be rid of Trump. His Presidency was spectacularly lackluster, basically four years of a lame duck as the Democratic Party withered into gerontocracy. It was like watching Brezhnev try to hold the Soviet Union together.
  Four years later, we got Trump II, and this time it's so much worse. MAGA completed its takeover of the Republican Party, he has a cabinet of True Believers and total loyalists, corporate America groveling, a huge budget for ICE, and a comprehensive plan in Project 2025 to dismantle the state and reshape it into fascism.
  Did Biden save us? No! Biden fucked us, because the DNC refused to reform, alienated progressives and turned Congress into a retirement home. Resentment built, the wheels fell off, and it turbocharged the MAGA movement.
  The DNC is dead. Neoliberalism is dead. The centrist strategy is dead. We need an actual vision, not just Nancy Pelosi playing the stock market and selling bombs to Israel while we're crushed under mountains of debt.
  
  the current one endorses them already, no need to change it to a "nazi-lite"

I refuse to vote for him after he appeared on Charlie Kirk's podcast, said he completely aligns with him on trans issues, in particular banning HRT for minors and putting trans women in men's prisons.
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At the close of the podcast, Charlie Kirk shifted the discussion to transgender healthcare, stating, "I encourage you to learn about the butchery that is happening under chemical castration in this state. The American people are overwhelmingly against it." Newsom responded, "Yeah. I think we have to be more sensitized to that."
Kirk continued, "Youth should be off limits, you might be right on deportations, I know I’m right on this," to which Newsom simply acknowledged, "Yeah." Kirk then cited the Cass Report—a widely criticized and legally discredited review used to justify bans on transgender healthcare in the UK—as evidence that gender-affirming care for youth should be prohibited. Newsom offered no pushback, replying, "I’m not an expert on this, but I appreciate your broader [point]."
I honestly thought he was looking to run as a Republican in 2028. Fuck him. I'm done. I held my nose and voted for Clinton, Biden, and Harris, but this is my breaking point. I've had it.

A democrat who does awful things and "aspire[s] to be Ronald Reagan". That's not a democratic or liberal candidate. It's a conservative take-over of the democratic party.
- It's a conservative take-over of the democratic party.
  I mean... that already happened like 30 years ago. After Walter Mondale got so thoroughly trounced by Reagan in 84, the DNC started looking for their own Reagan. It took a few years to cultivate the right candidate, but Bill Clinton is ultimately who they chose.
  People forget just how conservative he was because his famous sex scandal has crowded out any historical memory of his policy positions, but really the only difference between Clinton and Reagan is that Clinton balanced that budget. He was extremely conservative compared to contemporary democrats, but he was "folksy" and had the right kind of charisma to attract middle America. For Christ sake, the guy won Kentucky in both 92 and 96.

seems like they are pushing him pretty hard, the DNC that is, seeing as how they freaked out over THE MINNESOTA mayor and zohran in nyc. having him doing some performative parlor tricks for the media.

I don't mind the trolling but I definitely don't want democrat Trump. Doesn't matter anyway since there won't be an election in 2028.

BUT HIS INTERNS WROTE IN ALL CAPS. HE’S A GENIUS, SOME SAY NO ONE HAS NEVER DONE THAT BEFORE. EPIC. THANK FOR YOUR ATTESTATION OF THIS MASSAGE.

I'm already getting so many fundraising emails from Colin Alred's campaign in Texas

Okay, I'm not doing purity politics, he can change his was and I can forgive him. There's still some years left.
- I haven’t seen a single person say that there’s nothing he can ever do to make up for it. People are calling for him to stop the transphobia and persecution of the homeless.

We need to rember the recall election agianst him was pushed by republicans but wasn't baseless...the question wasn't was did he do it, it was who could replace him that isnt worse, when we saw mr drag a bear and generic white democrats, gavin won not on merit, but by default. By no means is a good candidate but he gives the people a good liberal bribe.
We cannont let a right wing governor take the reigns, and we dont want to lose what gavin has given us, thats where we stand.

I feel like there are way more comments about how you can't make me support Newsom but people that actually… say you have to support Newsome. Like do they even really exist here?

Only "candidate" I've been excited about so far is Jon Stewart.
- I wrote to him to encourage him to run against Trump. He was the best man for that job. I think in the future we should be able to do better.
  We shouldn't need Jon's wit and Carlin-ism to cut through their facade next election. We should just be able to do it with truth.

The "vote blue no matter who" mantra is how we ended up with Killary and Kamalama-ding-dong in the fucking first place. How'd that work out?

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