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The recent Steam censorship debacle actually sort of opened me up to adult games.

I've never really played any porn games more hardcore than Baldur's Gate 3 before, but you remember a couple weeks ago when GOG gave away those NSFW games, as a direct response to the whole thing?

Well I claimed the bundle just to boost their numbers (because censorship is bullshit), but recently I needed a low-difficulty gaming distraction, so I checked a few of them out, and... some of them are kind of good?

Like first off you have to be okay with visual novels (usually), but if you're cool with that, some of them actually have some compelling characters, and occasionally even good gameplay in between all the fucking and whatnot.

Leap of Love is amusing, kind of adorable when it comes to the not-sex stuff, and charming. It is also a game where you (a former frog) can marry and simultaneously bed 3 princesses and their stepmother after deposing of the evil king. My brain is still trying to reconcile this.

Huniepop is one of the best match 3 puzzle games I've ever played, with a chill as hell soundtrack. Also a scantily-clad foul-mouthed love fairy wants you to fuck every woman in a 5 mile radius who can fog a mirror.

And Crom help me, when I finished... sigh... Fetish Locator Week 1, I actually cared enough about some of the characters to buy the next one.

The point is, some of these games have more depth and value than I'd been led to believe, and I wouldn't have known that if the censorship thing hadn't started that chain of events. So congrats censorship people, and honestly thanks, I guess? Completely the opposite of your intended effect. Task failed successfully.

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One other side point that came to mind after the main post.
We're so conditioned to think realistic violence in games is fine, but realistic sex in games is "wrong" or "sad". But honestly, I realized I played through 3+ games without doing any violence* and had a blast, and that was actually really refreshing.
*^okay, ^no ^{non-consensual} ^violence. ^I ^may ^have ^slapped ^Lyssa's ^dick ^around, ^but ^she ^requested ^it.
- We’re so conditioned to think realistic violence in games is fine, but realistic sex in games is “wrong” or “sad”.
  Not just in games. In all media. You bring to mind a great quote from George R. R. Martin.
  “I can describe an axe entering a human skull in great explicit detail and no one will blink twice at it. I provide a similar description, just as detailed, of a penis entering a vagina, and I get letters about it and people swearing off. To my mind this is kind of frustrating, it’s madness. Ultimately, in the history of [the] world, penises entering vaginas have given a lot of people a lot of pleasure; axes entering skulls, well, not so much.”
  
  I've always felt that puritanical stigmatization of sex and sexuality have really fucked us up psychologically as a species.
  
  I remember a quote from a famous porn actor "nacho vidal".
  "I'd rather have my kids playing with "fake plastic penises" around the house than playing with fake plastic firearms."
  I'm not comfortable with the idea of kids playing with sexual toys. But it makes me feel something weird that I'm not more weirded out by kids playing to kill with fake guns.
  
  https://bloodknife.com/everyone-beautiful-no-one-horny/
  I think onscreen chemistry peaked in Casino Royale. Now it all feels clinical/sterile.
  
  well tbf one of the detailed sex scenes (in the book) is between a 30 yrs old khal drogo with a 13 year old daenerys targaryen, and it's being depicted as a good thing, he's the first guy that cares about her
  
  japanese manga is a nice counter to this
  the media targeted to older readers has many well done stories that contain realistic sexuality (good and bad)
  and i’m not talking about the stupid shit like jacking it in the river gave me a half fish half man son
- Leading up to the release of Cyberpunk 2077 there was a relatively innocent post about whether players would be able to romance anyone and sleep with them. The absolute mockery and scorn OP received was shameful. It really struck me because it was so clear how we've been conditioned to reject sexuality while at the same time being ultra-desensitized to violence.
  
  What I do recall was one guy asking very specific questions about how much we would be able to customize genitals, and whether sex would be fully interactive with visuals of full penetration.
  And while none of those things are wrong per se, the general vibe of asking about all of those things was very weird and pervy.
- And then you usually get "But the sex isn't realistic!!!"... yeah? Neither is the violence, unless you are frequently the Doomslayer or something?!
  Like, how is that even an argument. How can violence in games be preferrable to sex?!
  
  Part of the actual answer to that question is that, while violence is often loud and public (and sometimes government sanctioned on massive scales), sex is something that is usually done in private, intimate settings without observers.
- beating beats beating
- You know that even fantasy sex is a problem to the puritan mind, even mild representations of sex like activities becomes weird. Well in the Western society that is. I found out that some temples in India are finely decorated with more or less explicit scenes. In certain societies sex is seen as an engine. The issue with violence is that it isn't just highly but it's nearly a constant in our western society. Go back to the middle ages, how many people whacked each other in popular imagery. Even recently we have seen more violence than ever. Gore doesn't do much any longer for many adults, but it's supposed to elicit a strong evolutionary reflex of disgust and fear. I feel we've been overexposed to these things, but not others.
- It was wild being raised by my mother who didn't mind if I saw consensual sex, because I should eventually have sex, but restricted all violence because ideally I'll never see violence in person.
  I have no idea how good this is a philosophy for raising children. Sample size is too small.
- Please note that this is mostly an American thing, in European TV and books we have naked people and (not too explicit detail in TV, books differ) sex.
  Some of us are always wondering about this. Something 18+ might be sex or gore related.

The more people play and buy porn games, the better porn games will get, same as any other genre.

I never paid attention to adult games until all this controversy happened. The Streisand effect must be doing its thing on people.

Not directly to your point but your overall experience just reminds me: we really lost something when the sexual liberation movement was largely erased. People so often dismiss it because we're conditioned to dismiss taking sex seriously (outside of a very narrow and specific context) but there's a lot we lose from that.
- Tycho, of Penny Arcade, actually had some words on this subject around the time the PC version of Stellar Blade came out and people were up in arms about it. I'll quote it here because I think it's a good passage.
  I used to say that I grew up Christian, but I think it's probably more accurate to say Evangelical, especially now that more people might know what I'm talking about. Sex was VERY naughty and we needed to be constantly on the lookout for incursions of this secular, demonic, but also somehow worryingly inherent force…? Breaking that pernicious notion down and enabling people to express themselves was the project I thought I'd more or less seen completed. Now it's come around some weird bend, with precisely the same energy as before, except now it's being done for the correct reasons. It can't possibly be this dumb. And yet!
  It's incredibly fucking boring to have the tail end of the revolution you saw win shame the tools that gave them victory, dust off a bunch of regressive shit, and then have the pluck to feel righteous about it.
  It sort of mirrors my own experience (minus the evangelical upbringing). I definitely recall a period of general sex-positivity that has now come around some strange turn whereby the very same voices are admonishing people for daring to enjoy sexy things.
  It's very strange.
  
  It's because both sides were always divided on sex. The "beer, titties, and jesus" crowd and the anti porn feminists had been the lesser voices of their side for a while. But in the fallout of the sexual revolution, in the 70s and 80s second wave feminism developed a really anti sex stance, especially towards deviant types of sex. This was the feminist sex wars, and its the era of a lot of the more batshit bits. But it did begin with reasonable criticism. There was fighting back however, from lesbian feminist sadomasochism groups like Samois to owned porn cooperatives where radical ideas wete tried like having the entire crew be naked so the performers weren't the only ones exposed.
  People like to blame third wave feminism for the swing back, and I disagree. The third wave was the movement born of the critiques of the second wave, and the renewed push for sexual liberation in the 90s ans 00s was quintessentially third wave. And it got far, it did a lot, and it also left us with a lot to criticize. Whether it's media criticism like Sarkeesian was harassed for daring to do, or it's the unfortunately common stories of women being pressured into sex acts they don't want with feminist language critiques had been mounting in the early 10s.
  The theoretical fourth wave is often called twitter feminism, and i think it's best to consider that the first real thing it did that impacted anything was the metoo movement. I believe metoo was a good thing. It's next to the Arab spring as among the few things Twitter ever did that are good. But it and the late third wave criticisms gave room for the sex negative side to return to prominence. That's where we are now, but I dont think it will last.
  Because I think we need to remember that while there is an internal back and forth, there's also the realpolitik of the fact that you can pull horny people if nobody else does. A chunk of gamergate is straight up that. Shining feminist media critiques through the worst possible lens to horny boys and men. Anyways the right has dropped their horny-prude coalition recently and is all in on prude, which is coinciding with chunks of the left getting tired of the dominant position of our prudes.
  Anyways free the nipple, and what 20 consenting adults do behind closed doors is their right to do.
- Was it erased? We are more comfortable with porn than ever (which I wouldn't say is okay, but definitely not prudish), and after the jews, the biggest boogie man out there is the gender lobby.
  I say we're in the next phase, and moderators (Visa, Mastercard) need to buckle up for what's coming.
  
  We are more comfortable with porn than ever
  Are we (edit: 'hope that doesn't sound antagonistic; I more meant it rhetorically)? No-Nut November has only recently dipped in the general consciousness and goon is currently trending as a pejorative. I think we're comfortable with pushing the boundaries and with nodding and winking towards it but outright normalization has a fierce backlash.
  But part of what the sex. lib. movement was about was both normalization and healthy interaction with sex, not just sexual content being prevalent. There's plenty of unhealthy ideas and performances that the mainstream porn industry perpetuates, much of it relying on satisfying a normative and patriarchal outlook; feminist porn, for example, was/is a much more sex. lib. approach to porn (from giving women more active participation in the sex portrayed (rather than just the receptive of it) to also having the performers express their emotions more (even if minimally) and how the sex they were having made them feel).
  These goals are much more in line with the emotional experience OP was describing, where it's not just sexual content but a more healthy engagement with that sexual content as well, such as experiencing emotions and attachment. That's part of why OP's descriptions reminded me of it.
  Mainstream porn, driven by capitalism (which isn't to say all of us aren't in some degree, even indie creators; sadly, that's just the reality, right now), doesn't care about these things.
  And sex. lib. has a distinct history and activism, much of intertwined with gay liberation and…I think most people don't know that or, like, the battles that were fought for information about safe sex, etc. I mean, it's not unique (most people aren't aware about disability history, for example, or events like the Capital Crawl) but it's still deeply unfortunate.

WoohooOoooOooOoOo…. Barbara Streisand

I've always been open to adult only games, but for the vast majority there are only two basic types:
Visual Novels - Everything about these is fine. They vary from basically just a graphic novel to a full on RPG.
Nude Puzzles - Various cheap-ass puzzles with nude images as the prize.
I want, like, a real game but with full adult only content. These exist, but are hard to find. And a lot of those I've found aren't finished, never will be finished, and/or just suck. It doesn't even have to be the focus. Just imagine if when you got a hooker in GTA or some other game where brothels might exist, you got to see more than a fade to black/car bouncing around.
- The biggest issue with adult content in games is that it limits your market to adults that want that content. Which is already small to begin with. And you often can't advertise the same way, which limits your audience further. You only find out about them through word of mouth or through places like Lemmy.
  From the standpoint of the developer, your ROI is likely to be very small. I think that's why VN are the most popular form of adult games, since they are easier to make than full games.
  
  Its inherently a gamble. Yes, it limits you to that audience (which is increasingly villified by christofacists and the influencers who "don't want people to think they are gooners"). But it also makes you the king OF that audience.
  Subspace is a great example. It had an incredibly vague and over ambitious crowdfunding campaign and it did gangbusters. Because people are hungry for a horny game that is actually a game. That said, it feels like other devs realized that was a thing and the patreon-style sites are now the main focus and discoverability went to zero.
  Which is why I think the next big step is a blogsite that actually covers these without feeling like you are just reading a guy's wank diary (... which we kind of are but it is nice to not think about that). Its the same problem onlyfans et al have. The biggies keep getting bigger but there is almost zero way to find out about the newbies.
- A good H-game with more that 4 hours of content, good porn, and good gameplay are rare finds. Not to mention the pain in the ass of finding the decensor patches or using a non-Steam, non-English site to buy it.
- That seems like a fair assessment of the current state of things, but I do want to stress how good Huniepop is as a puzzle game alone. One sparkling jewel in a sea of erotic sliding puzzle and jigsaw crap.
  If you removed everything outside the actual gem matching gameplay and soundtrack, I would still play it.
  And yeah, I started poking around and saw some of the more ambitious open world projects like you're talking about, and they all looked like abandoned early access. But if they have the technical ability, why not show my character licking some Asari ladyparts in Mass Effect 5? Adults play a shitload of video games too. Make it an optional DLC if you have to.
- Last game I played that fit this bill was 7 Sins
  This was back in the 2000s and I was super into The Sims. I still think the gameplay holds up well.
  Its not graphic with nudity but definitely a adults only game.
  Edit:
  The entire concept of the game is experiencing the 7 sins. Greed, lust, sloth, anger etc.
  Gameplay link
- Yeah the exceptions are rare, and then many like HuniePop 1 and 2 or Subverse lean intentionally into overdone slapstick.
  (That being said HuniePop I can't recommend enough, easily the best match-3 out there completely ignoring the porn parts)
- You may have come across it already but Hardcoded may be in the realm you're thinking? https://store.steampowered.com/app/2693710/HARDCODED/
  It's still in development but they've done a ton of work on it too, already, be pretty flashed out game and its development hasn't slowed any over the years.
- yeah, there's an inherent problem with that:
  in general, people choose adult games explicitly to get off, so putting a bunch of unrelated activities between them and that is not a recipe for success.
  or in other words: good gameplay makes for bad porn, and vice versa.
  i understand what you are asking for, and the solution for that is modding;
  check out loverslab!
  the biggest communities (i know of) for this are:
  Skyrim Special Edition
  Fallout 4
  The Sims 4
  RimWorld
  all of these have what you're asking for, with varying levels of integration into the main game!
  and since it's modded content, you even get to decide how much, and what kind of, adult content there is in your game!
  and when i say everything is customizable, i mean everything!
  so take a look and have fun ;)
- Alicesoft is one of the major dev studios in this exact space, but their games range from having some non-con to outright featuring it. Not for everyone.

I wish there were more games that had NSFW stuff, but not as the main focus. BG3, Cyberpunk, The Witcher, etc all have nudity, but the sex scenes are short, cropped, and half assed because they are embarrassed.
There needs to be quicktime events, better cinematics, and werewolves (BG3, Elder Scrolls, Witcher) during erotic scenes. Bring back A/O games. Many of these shouldn't be even remotely aimed at anyone below 18 anyways.
Hell, the last genuinely fun game with kink in it was Saints Row 3, and that was for comedic effect.
- quicktime events
  Damn I missed the cumshot quick time event. I'm not going to get an s rank for this chapter. Guess I gotta reload...
  
  Imagine the debuff that blueballs would inflict because you missed the quicktime event
  
  These are the QTEs that Aphrodite wanted us to have.
- Buttknight was a really good arcade scroller shooter. The unlockable scenes weren't interractive, but actually unlocking them was a ton of fun. Short game too.
- You will never see 18+ only games that comes close to Cyberpunk or BG3 in scope. Because most retailers won’t stock A/O games, and these publishers still get a significant portion of revenue from these retailers selling physical games. And these games are simply too expensive to make to ignore those retailers.

For vnovels, check out Katawa Shoujo. It has a great storyline and characters, and it's free!
If you're looking for a platformer I'd recommend Flipwitch - Forbidden Sex Hex
- Man, you're mean. You can't recommend that without at least a warning of the box of tissues that you'll need nearby. You'll be responsible for water stains on desks everywhere.
- Flipwitch is a fantastic little Metroidvania that I can't talk to my "normal" gaming friends about.

Your post made me want to check these out. I only ever played one with a friend for kicks. It was a fun, cheap activity, easy to make a drinking game out of.
It's like how erotica can still be literature, but people dismiss it for the sexual focus. But I've read erotic stories that had me hooked, made interesting social commentary, had nuanced characters and were just a fantastic time.
- people dismiss it for the sexual focus.
  I stand by this: porn is a largely untapped medium for insanely stupid comedy.
  I know we've all seen lemon stealing removed and whatnot, but like, we could have so much more than we do.
  
  One of the hardest times I've laughed my ass off was at a one of those semi surreal uncanny 3d porn games. Can't remember what it was but it scared the shit out of my cat who was sleeping under my desk, have the scars to prove it.
  Also if anyone wants to look at porn games F95zone"dot"to is a pirate forum which is good for keeping track of in dev ones or just if you don't want to possibly waste money on a porn game you may not like. Also the dot is in quotes cause I am not sure how the mods would react to me posting what amounts to a porn link.
  
  I've written porn comedy before. No I will not be linking it, but yeah I enjoyed it and the bad porn book club I was in over the pandemic enjoyed it too.
  I think part of the problem is that oftentimes once something erotic has merit beyond the erotic it often loses its porn classification in the public eye. Venus in Furs is porn, the word masochism is a reference to Sacher-Masoch who wrote it the same as sadism is named after the Marquis de Sade, but it's also classic literature.
  I definitely do want to get back into writing porn comedy, but I haven't been pissed off sufficiently stupid porn writing since that book club stopped.
  
  And people are trying to shut it down. It's a damn shame.
  Oh well, we still have the absolute chaos that is ammateur, self-published erotica.
  
  You're not alone, James Gunn (yes, that James Gunn) thought the same.
- got any recommendations?

Welcome to the club! Theres tons of Japanese eroge that became anime like Fate. Just because theres sexy time, don't mean the story aint a banger either!
- Oh right, I have actually heard that about Fate. I never played any of the games, but I caught a lot of Unlimited Blade Works when my wife was watching it, and it seemed pretty solid.
- I've still got the original visual novels sitting on my backup drive, somewhere. I played through the major first storyline, but hadn't gotten around to UBW and... oh boy, heaven's something? Definitely was a great read, even after starting with the anime.

If you're open to a platformer, the only explicitly adult game I've tried is FlipWitch. The gimmick is that you can change your sex, with certain obstacles only able to be passed through by a specific sex. You also have clothing that can only be worn by each sex, and certain NPCs won't interact unless you're wearing certain items. It's a solid metroidvania, and while it's not going to blow you away, I still enjoyed my time with it.
- The music is really good too!
- Oh yeah, I saw that one earlier and threw it on my wishlist for later. It looks pretty good. I picked up Scarlet Maiden instead for now, which is also a pixel-based naughty game, but looks to be a roguelite and is supposed to have great gameplay too.

When you got attached to the characters in Fetish Locator you should definitely not play Leap of Faith. It's going to crush you emotionally.
- Thanks for the warning. I'd started playing because I needed a distraction from some hard IRL stuff, so that's good to know. It was nice that when I fired up Being a DIK from the same bundle, they straight out ask you at the beginning if you're going through shit right now, and gently suggest the game may be rough for you if you are.
  
  Adult games give emotional support these days. Not all, but many understand and respect the player to a degree not normally found in games. And because all the right wing puritans aren't playing those games, no one is complaining about other hot button topics like gender, equality, etc.
  
  LoF does the same mid game right before it hits the hardest with even offering to skip the scene entirely. However all characters are really likable, have some really good development and it is an overall (bitter)sweet story with lots of happy endings
  
  when I fired up Being a DIK from the same bundle, they straight out ask you at the beginning if you're going through shit right now, and gently suggest the game may be rough for you if you are.
  Considering the dev’s previous game, Acting Lessons, that warning is worth taking seriously. That game has a fantastic story, but it has some rough shit go down. Although I will say that by the end of season 1 of Being a ΔΙΚ I don’t think there had been much “rough if you’re going through some shit” stuff. I haven’t played season 2 yet.

Literally, for the plot. Glad you where abel to expand your horizons and hope you enjoy more games for the plot

I've only ever played one VN and it was wonderful: Katawa Shoujo 💛

Modding is a way to add some adult content to some games. For example, Bethesda's games have a very active modding community.
- Ai, loverslab comes to mind. Used that to kink the hell out of Sims back in the day.

Hunnie Pop is the best Bejewled type game ever made. <3

Some of these games have incredible writing. Personally, I'd recommend trying Eternum. It's not finished yet but there's already a ton of content and the writing is incredible. Another game by the same person called Once in a Lifetime is also really good but shorter.
Besides those two, I'd really recommend The Princess Trap. Also unfinished but still lots of content. This one is definitely a bit more niche and might not be for everyone but the drama and mystery in it is really incredible.
All of these games are pretty slow to get to the sex stuff to be honest (especially The Princess Trap). But every moment in-between makes it so worth your time.

congratulations on starting your journey with adult games!
i've found my way to it via visual novels. my initial thought were like they're almost the same as any "teenage-romance book" but with more interaction so what could go wrong, right?
totally agree with you that there's a lot of stigma going on around sexuality that makes people miss out on good games.

My recommendations:
Aurelia is an adventure point and click where you move to a cozy fantasy town. Beautiful art and presentation and just good erotica all around with reasonable puzzle and rpg gameplay.
Third Crisis is an ultimate gooner game. It really goes out there and if you're into that sort of thing and it's really well made.
Kaiju Princess lets you hang out with a girl who's secretly a kaiju monster
Most steam erotica games started out as poor quality visual novels or clone games with titties but the scene is really shaping up to something much more interesting!
- I personally like Galaxy War's "Let's Get Married!" series, which is two puzzle games. The premise is to advance through dungeons by spending health, keys, and money. Enemies are not just obstacles, they drop money and the route you take through each level will determine what resources you have down the line. The meta game is to keep track of routes, and in future playthroughs, have a more precise plan that accounts for the future. It is very math-based, since there is no RNG. Each action is a tradeoff. It is the same gameplay as DROD RPG and Tower of the Sorcerer. The characters and molestation elements feel similar to Rance, though more good-natured.
  The Dungeon of Lulu Farea is the first entry.
  
  Another game of interest is Monster Girl Dreams. While I personally don't care much for the battle fuck system, I very much like the variety of characters and the large amount of dialogue that can be had with them. The game is freeware, and well worth playing if you enjoy lovey-dovey sex with monster girls.
  
  In a similar vein to Lulu Farea, I am interested in Star Knightess Aura. Some resources cannot be replenished during a playthrough, so you need to consider routing. The plot might be interesting, as it is about brainwashing the protagonist. You select what aspects of her personality are altered, changing her one thing at a time. For those who are into corruption, I think it holds promise.

I too claimed the games to support the cause. I randomly chose Treasure of Nadia to start and found myself really enjoying the game and story. I just finished it last week and went on to buy the developers other titles (⁀ᗢ⁀).
I'll have to give the other titles a try soon!
- I've been wanting to play that game for so long! It looks so good, outside the porn aspect.
  
  I would recommend it. It's got an interesting story, problem solving, and great puzzles. There isn't any story impacting decisions because the main character sleeps with everyone.
  I'm playing the prequel to Treasure of Nadia, Lust Epidemic and don't like it as much. It's older and the animation isn't as good and the story is much more rapey and cringey than TN. So it's nice to see that the developer has grown. And also the games are connected. I'm not sure how yet, but I did meet characters from Lust Epidemic in Treasure of Nadia. I bought the latest offering from the developer, The Genesis Order, because of course it continues. But I might hold off on playing that and jump back into Expedition 33.

Its wild how gooning and porn are so normalized to the point they harass real woman in their comments and dms 24/7 but god forbid a porn game, I like them ocassionally, when I don't want to be lazy and I'm in a gaming mood, it's like reading some Choose your own adventure erotica with visuals, but the story is porn story adjacent
- It seems less bad to me, I actually have to use my brain a little, idk I get bored using the same content daily, every one in a while I'll use vr, comics, books, or a game, but tbh whenever I start to need something extra like that I just don't jerk off for a day to normalize, don't want to enter the gooner mindset

russell vought is behind the porn bans.
- Vought?
  
  that too, funny thing the boyz vought(the current series)is loosely based that guy too.

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Damn, I didn't know about the bundle.
- Same, first hearing about it 😢

Streisand effect.

Karryns prison has a fantastic combat system and the voice actress is "chefs kiss". You can not go wrong with it in my opinion.
- One of the best rpg maker games out there in general which is wild
- One of the best rpg maker games out there in general which is wild

Yeah nah there is no gameplay there its pure coomer shit. Match 3 puzzle game, thats not a genre the only games that use that has their core gameplay are designed to be scams.
- It's certainly what the majority of the genre became with the advent of mobile gaming, as with so many other simple puzzle games. But the original Bejeweled and Puzzle Quest were both excellent and huge hits, and were complete games before the microtransaction garbage that came later.
  It's a nice genre for relaxing and turning off your brain, similar to a Tetris or a Bust-A-Move. I know there have to be titty and microtransaction filled variants of both of those, does it invalidate them as puzzle game genres?
  
  I played peggle on wow flight paths for hundreds of hours. Sad and fantastic lol.
  
  I remember seeing a large bejeweled cabinet in a service station back in 2009. Or around that age. What a beast.
  
  Yeah coomer games are similar to mobile games. Theyre puzzle games that are designed to be extremely easy to make players feel good. They are technically still puzzle games just bad ones.
- only games I like count as games!
- Maybe the match 3 stuff, but there are a lot of 'adult' games that are beyond that. Go play The Last Sovereign and tell me it isn't better than all the final fantasies, I dare you.

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