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The recent Steam censorship debacle actually sort of opened me up to adult games.

I've never really played any porn games more hardcore than Baldur's Gate 3 before, but you remember a couple weeks ago when GOG gave away those NSFW games, as a direct response to the whole thing?

Well I claimed the bundle just to boost their numbers (because censorship is bullshit), but recently I needed a low-difficulty gaming distraction, so I checked a few of them out, and... some of them are kind of good?

Like first off you have to be okay with visual novels (usually), but if you're cool with that, some of them actually have some compelling characters, and occasionally even good gameplay in between all the fucking and whatnot.

Leap of Love is amusing, kind of adorable when it comes to the not-sex stuff, and charming. It is also a game where you (a former frog) can marry and simultaneously bed 3 princesses and their stepmother after deposing of the evil king. My brain is still trying to reconcile this.

Huniepop is one of the best match 3 puzzle games I've ever played, with a chill as hell soundtrack. Also a scantily-clad foul-mouthed love fairy wants you to fuck every woman in a 5 mile radius who can fog a mirror.

And Crom help me, when I finished... sigh... Fetish Locator Week 1, I actually cared enough about some of the characters to buy the next one.

The point is, some of these games have more depth and value than I'd been led to believe, and I wouldn't have known that if the censorship thing hadn't started that chain of events. So congrats censorship people, and honestly thanks, I guess? Completely the opposite of your intended effect. Task failed successfully.

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  • Not directly to your point but your overall experience just reminds me: we really lost something when the sexual liberation movement was largely erased. People so often dismiss it because we're conditioned to dismiss taking sex seriously (outside of a very narrow and specific context) but there's a lot we lose from that.

    • Tycho, of Penny Arcade, actually had some words on this subject around the time the PC version of Stellar Blade came out and people were up in arms about it. I'll quote it here because I think it's a good passage.

      I used to say that I grew up Christian, but I think it's probably more accurate to say Evangelical, especially now that more people might know what I'm talking about. Sex was VERY naughty and we needed to be constantly on the lookout for incursions of this secular, demonic, but also somehow worryingly inherent force…? Breaking that pernicious notion down and enabling people to express themselves was the project I thought I'd more or less seen completed. Now it's come around some weird bend, with precisely the same energy as before, except now it's being done for the correct reasons. It can't possibly be this dumb. And yet!

      It's incredibly fucking boring to have the tail end of the revolution you saw win shame the tools that gave them victory, dust off a bunch of regressive shit, and then have the pluck to feel righteous about it.

      It sort of mirrors my own experience (minus the evangelical upbringing). I definitely recall a period of general sex-positivity that has now come around some strange turn whereby the very same voices are admonishing people for daring to enjoy sexy things.

      It's very strange.

      • It's because both sides were always divided on sex. The "beer, titties, and jesus" crowd and the anti porn feminists had been the lesser voices of their side for a while. But in the fallout of the sexual revolution, in the 70s and 80s second wave feminism developed a really anti sex stance, especially towards deviant types of sex. This was the feminist sex wars, and its the era of a lot of the more batshit bits. But it did begin with reasonable criticism. There was fighting back however, from lesbian feminist sadomasochism groups like Samois to owned porn cooperatives where radical ideas wete tried like having the entire crew be naked so the performers weren't the only ones exposed.

        People like to blame third wave feminism for the swing back, and I disagree. The third wave was the movement born of the critiques of the second wave, and the renewed push for sexual liberation in the 90s ans 00s was quintessentially third wave. And it got far, it did a lot, and it also left us with a lot to criticize. Whether it's media criticism like Sarkeesian was harassed for daring to do, or it's the unfortunately common stories of women being pressured into sex acts they don't want with feminist language critiques had been mounting in the early 10s.

        The theoretical fourth wave is often called twitter feminism, and i think it's best to consider that the first real thing it did that impacted anything was the metoo movement. I believe metoo was a good thing. It's next to the Arab spring as among the few things Twitter ever did that are good. But it and the late third wave criticisms gave room for the sex negative side to return to prominence. That's where we are now, but I dont think it will last.

        Because I think we need to remember that while there is an internal back and forth, there's also the realpolitik of the fact that you can pull horny people if nobody else does. A chunk of gamergate is straight up that. Shining feminist media critiques through the worst possible lens to horny boys and men. Anyways the right has dropped their horny-prude coalition recently and is all in on prude, which is coinciding with chunks of the left getting tired of the dominant position of our prudes.

        Anyways free the nipple, and what 20 consenting adults do behind closed doors is their right to do.

        • Since you seem knowledgeable, maybe I'll bug you about something I've wondered about?

          Did you notice a significant (huge by my measure) increase in attempts at polyamory for a period of time? As in, that trend seemed to have almost a start and an end, and a real big swell in the middle. And if so, any comments on how that fits into your timeline overview above? Some of your thoughts sound like they may point to this but I certainly don't want to put words in your mouth.

          Anecdotally, it seems to me like I watched a huge chunk of my (significantly) younger sister's generation get themselves into plural relationships, then realize after a year or two of various attempts (often including some serious abuse) that actually they didn't like that idea at all.

          And don't get me wrong, I absolutely encourage people to try what they are curious about, it's a tragedy to spend a life never exploring what one might like. But that phenomena with polyamory / plural relationships in particular stuck out to me, largely because many of the people I saw try it had never previously indicated even remote interest in similar, some behaved fairly jealously toward their partners actually. It felt like a strange societal motivation, some kind of soft cultural pressure among peers, to go for it. And I personally never witnessed a positive outcome, either (which is not me saying that no one should live that way if they enjoy it, or that no one can find it genuinely fulfilling, healthy, and preferable). And for those with clear gender lines in the plural relationships, it was always polygynous - never polyandrous (please let me know if those terms are offensive). Felt like weaponized sexual liberation, frankly, by horny dudes, but that's me making some possibly unfair leaps and introducing my own bias into the interpretation.

          I guess more than anything else I was just struck by what felt like a wave in popularity, followed by an accompanying wave of "oh, nah fuck that actually, forever". Was interesting to watch. Any thoughts?

          (Disclaimer: this can be a thorny topic, anyone should feel free to correct anything I've misrepresented, misunderstood, or just been unkind about, I'm not a jerk on purpose usually).

    • Was it erased? We are more comfortable with porn than ever (which I wouldn't say is okay, but definitely not prudish), and after the jews, the biggest boogie man out there is the gender lobby.

      I say we're in the next phase, and moderators (Visa, Mastercard) need to buckle up for what's coming.

      • We are more comfortable with porn than ever

        Are we (edit: 'hope that doesn't sound antagonistic; I more meant it rhetorically)? No-Nut November has only recently dipped in the general consciousness and goon is currently trending as a pejorative. I think we're comfortable with pushing the boundaries and with nodding and winking towards it but outright normalization has a fierce backlash.

        But part of what the sex. lib. movement was about was both normalization and healthy interaction with sex, not just sexual content being prevalent. There's plenty of unhealthy ideas and performances that the mainstream porn industry perpetuates, much of it relying on satisfying a normative and patriarchal outlook; feminist porn, for example, was/is a much more sex. lib. approach to porn (from giving women more active participation in the sex portrayed (rather than just the receptive of it) to also having the performers express their emotions more (even if minimally) and how the sex they were having made them feel).

        These goals are much more in line with the emotional experience OP was describing, where it's not just sexual content but a more healthy engagement with that sexual content as well, such as experiencing emotions and attachment. That's part of why OP's descriptions reminded me of it.

        Mainstream porn, driven by capitalism (which isn't to say all of us aren't in some degree, even indie creators; sadly, that's just the reality, right now), doesn't care about these things.

        And sex. lib. has a distinct history and activism, much of intertwined with gay liberation and…I think most people don't know that or, like, the battles that were fought for information about safe sex, etc. I mean, it's not unique (most people aren't aware about disability history, for example, or events like the Capital Crawl) but it's still deeply unfortunate.

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