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Alejandro Mendoza @eviltoast.org

3d ago

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Yeah, I can’t be friends with people who vote for people who don’t want me to exist.
- I can't be friends with people who vote for people who don't want you to exist
- I got your back no matter what
  Well I just voted that youre not allowed to exist, so how'd you wanna do this?
- Good luck! I want a different world for you all. We fight together!

in the US there are no moderates, as one sides wants to eliminate the other.

Guess what, it's actually incorrect to be friends with a Nazi. Nice shitpost though

Anyone who utters a phrase like "they're hurting the wrong people" is not a moderate of any kind.
Wanting a demographic to be hurt is inherently extremist.
- Ehhh... depends. I find it extreme to be OK with certain demographics existing. Like Nazis. Nazis shouldn't exist, because they should be extinct.
  Wanting absolutely despicable people to hurt is and should be a natural emotional response to learning of their existence. The real question as to whether it's OK is, how are despicable people defined and identified?
  
  To be somewhat pedantic, "Nazi" is not a demographic identifier. Demographics almost always refers to more immutable features like age, sex, gender, orientation, race, nationality, citizenship, etc. Political ideology is a way to divide and count people, but it's not something that is reliably counted as a demographic indicator.
  
  I meant demographics like POC or LGBTQ, aspects people cannot change about themselves. Being a fascist is a choice.

If they could reconcile the "immigrants and trans people deserve rights" issue, maybe I'd consider talking with them, but to be friends at this point would be akin to me being buddies with a Nazi that is still bitter immediately after the war.

Politics are definitely something that should ruin relationships if said politics are based off of enforced inequality.

Moderate right: "Does this group of people actually deserve the same rights as me?"

Leftwing extremists want to tax the rich and give everyone medicine but they are willing to compromise and just keep our existing broken system if others don't agree.. Rightwing extremists want to build concentration camps for democrats and brown people, punish gay people for existing, subjugate women and crush all resistance murdering people if they can't get the votes to do it democratically.
Right wing moderates are ok with this and believe other people should be ok with them for going along with this.

Well by the looks of it the moderate right ceased to exist in America or it has lost it's representation, in no small part thanks to the two party system. Over here in Europe I'd say it's much better and this meme could be relevant, was it not depicting America.

This doesn't happen anymore. Everyone is extreme in something.
- The extreme position that two consenting adults do as they please in bed or that someone is not discriminated against based on their skin colour.
  
  Thats not what I said. I said everyone has an extreme nowadays. For instance, I believe if you want to strip away all social safety nets you should go live and die in the woods away from society. While others might think that person should still be integrated into said society.
  Conservatives are shitty to use here because they are just Nazis. Their whole platform is extreme. You can't find middle ground with that. But everyone still has an extreme belief of their own.
- Nah me and one of my best friends are like this

why is this so downvoted? its saying extremism is bad no matter which end of the political spectrum you are on, which is true.
- I obviously can't speak for everyone but my assumption is that there is such fundamental disagreement that for many, even saying "agree to disagree" with certain people would be a betrayal of their own values.
  Someone I know put it pretty well when talking about the idea of how accepting their workplace should be of people's different political values. They said "If someone doesn't think I should have human rights, I don't want to work with them." which I think makes the point pretty well. See also: paradox of tolerance.
  
  someone who doesnt think you should have human rights isnt moderate though. there is such a thing as people who disagree with you but are not extremists.
- There are certain times when opinions are too vile. If someone says gay marriage shouldn't exist, or that drag queens are grooming children, or that transwomen are transitioning just so they can win at sports, that clearly comes from a place of complete misunderstanding so ingrained that I couldn't be around them much.
  These are reasonably common positions even among the "moderate" right.
- Ni idea porq tanto negativos
  
  If you don't understand why you're getting so much negative feedback, then I'd say you're seriously lacking in either empathy or political understanding

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