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Proton moves parts of the infra to EU countries

www.heise.de Surveillance: Proton relocates parts of its infrastructure from Switzerland

According to a Swiss monitoring ordinance, services with more than 5000 users must identify customers.

To add to the discussion we had some month ago, where some people said the planned laws would never come to be and would never be a threat: proton decided to differ and to move parts of the infrastructure to other countries.

https://www.heise.de/en/news/Surveillance-Proton-relocates-parts-of-its-infrastructure-from-Switzerland-10538664.html

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Surveillance: Proton relocates parts of its infrastructure from Switzerland

www.heise.de /en/news/Surveillance-Proton-relocates-parts-of-its-infrastructure-from-Switzerland-10538664.html

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It seems they take privacy serious, that is a good thing.
Also not a fan of their whole Trump thing, but if our whole plan is to pressure consumers to only buy from "good cooperations" we might as well just give up. That is a "US-liberal" form of protest, and utterly ineffective. Use what is easy, cheap and offers the protection you need and spend your energy on building something worthwhile.
- It irks me a little when someone asks where they should move to from gmail and the responses bash proton because the ceo made a shit take on twitter, like cmon. Some people really wanna be the enemy of good

I’m losing track of who the good guys are. The most unethical e-mail companies involved in military or facisms in my view (and I’m no expert) are:
Microsoft
Google
Gray area would be Proton until I find out what material advantage - if any / their Trump-supporting member provides to fascism in the U.S. and beyond.
Better options as I see them (again, I’m not an expert):
Tuta Mail
Posteo
There’s a good breakdown of ethical option here: https://www.ethicalconsumer.org/technology/shopping-guide/ethical-email-providers
- Proton isn't perfect but it's worlds better than gmail. I'm content with using their free tier, but not convinced to pay for their expensive plans.
  Here's another breakdown: https://www.privacyguides.org/en/email/
  
  I think it's way better than Gmail too. But if even better options exist, then I'm gone at the first whiff of fascism, discrimination or military involvement. Making a choice on privacy alone is mostly for individualists, IMO. Individualism is what got is into this mess in the first place.
  
  I got Mail plus with a discount, it's their only service I really use anyway. Don't think I actually made use of it. Registered some aliasses since I could, but don't use them so +1 from me.
- Love my mailbox.org

Still not a law...
- Yet enough fuzz to influence company decisions.

Proton Mail Says It’s “Politically Neutral” While Praising Republican Party The “privacy-first” company surprised its user base when CEO Andy Yen lauded Trump on social media.
- Would you people stop with that?
  Yes, they fucked up. They're far from perfect.
  They're still far better option than Google and Microsoft.
  
  Calling praising fascists a "fuck up" is not a good look.
  How about we support companies that dont support facists at all?
  
  I'd rather host myself then use their services.
  
  Thank you! I want my data to go directly to Putin, not through some google middleman!
- Yea, we had some discussions about that, but that isn't the point.
  A known player moving its IT due to changes in law is the point.
  
  This is more or less an ad for a company with a CEO that has a pro-fascist agenda.
  If the point was to illustrate something about laws in Switzerland then that should have been the subject of the article.
- Finally people are starting to wake up to this bullshit. They are not to be trusted

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