ICE agents pointed guns at a US citizen when she ran out on to her yard to ask why they were arresting her (legal immigrant) partner.

I’m not understanding how somebody in a mask who isn’t presenting a badge can brandish a gun and shove somebody on their property without themselves being shot.

yeah. still waiting on the 2A crowd to enforce their anti tyranny claims.
- Ice are the 2A crowd
- This is why the left needs to get armed. You disarmed yourself while the right wing continued to buy arms and now your "surprise Pikachu face" that the right is not stopping this...what logic are you trying to lay here?
- 2A dipshits are nothing but loser pussies.
- They're waiting for tyranny to show up at their doorstep after everyone else is gone.
I guess some people are not in the "I will die but I'm taking you with me" mindset all the time.
If possession of an unlicensed suppressor can be legally considered attempted murder, I didn't see how showing up armed, concealing one's identity, brandishing firearms, and physically assaulting people (with the threat of said firearms) is not. States need to start trying all of these nazis.
Cuz fuck you, we have all the power now. Thats why
Not being rude, this is their ultimate reasoning and motivation underneath all the bullshit

Show up at their house and kidnap them and their families.

No warrant, no ID, no law required.

(Yeah, Pam, I said it. Fuck you and your goofy, Nazi, child stealing, kiddie fucking pals at ICE and the entire regime. Justice will find you one day.)

Hey, Germany here. We currently don't use Nuremberg, so feel free.
- The Israelis are in line for that one currently.

I want this clear. I.C.E has no jurisdiction when it comes to citizens. One shows up at your house tell em to fuck off and call a lawyer.

DO NOT COMPLY

When they force their way into your home, shoot them dead.
- And then RIP, because they’re gonna make your house look like Swiss cheese with all their return fire.
Within 100 miles of the border or coast, your rights are way less.
You’re gonna end up detained no matter what you do if they want to detain you. And they’ve already disappeared plenty of people without due process.
- Conveniently they count every international airport as a border, so this covers almost the entirety of the country.
- The count airports as a border point, ao ICE says tou have no rights unless you live somewhere like 4 corners or bumfuck Wyoming.
- This isnnt about rights. It's about jurisdiction. Even 100 miles away or on the border. I.c.e has no jurisdiction over American citizens. Full stop

This is not a democratically elected regime. It’s a hostile takeover. The longer people don’t realise that the more time they have to prepare for their holocaust.

Yes, ICE is Trumps Gestapo.

He refused to identify himself and then assaulted the resident. Why is the news calling him an "agent?" These guys don't have badges, don't wear uniforms, drive in unmarked vans and wear masks. They don't know WTF they are.

Looks to me like a group of kidnappers.

Good point. Could literally be vigilante militias. It at least merits an "alleged" or "purported" before "agent."

If we allowed 50 million immigrants to enter the US the number of criminals per capita would be reduced.

If we deported Donald Trump the number of criminals per capita would also be reduced.

- It depresses wages tho.
  Employers refusing to pay a living wage depresses wages.
- Wage suppression has never come from immigration. It comes from shady business practices and a combined effort of the owner class to separate themselves from the working class. Have you not been hearing about record profits every quarter over the past two decades? Costs for everything have gone up in sync, except for the value of your labour, which has lost incredible amounts over the past 30-40 years.
  They are taking the food out of our mouths to buy another Lamborghini. Immigration is a small drop in the barrel for why that's happening, but the people who are to blame want you to blame it on immigrants, and not them. You bought it, hook line and sinker. How's it feel to get played?
- This is based on a fundamental lie, or at best misunderstanding, of the right. They claim that the labor market is zero-sum, yet money has infinite possibility. "Anyone can become rich if they work hard enough."
  In fact the opposite is true. A controlled money supply makes it the ultimate zero-sum game. The rich having more necessarily keeps it from others. The labor economy is free to expand, however, as new workers means new consumers.
  There is a point with housing, however that problem is fabricated by elites, with no cause related to immigrants.

SC has stand your ground. Wouldn't brandishing a weapon basically green light you for using proportional force to stop an illegal act?

Even better, id be interested to see what happens in a state with castle doctrine.

If you haven't figured it out yet, all of the big talk, 2A fans are the biggest pussies out there.
If any of them were legit, we'd have dead ICE agents by now.
- The 2A crowd are the ICE agents
What would happen? Your house and at least five other houses around it would be riddled with so much lead that it would be declared a hazmat site. They would then "find" 40 bags of cocaine on property. Each bag would be found by a different officer and oddly not one of them will have been hit by a bullet. 112 random weapons will be found on your property, often in the exact same place that the cocaine was found, but by completely different officers at different times.
- Well they can have all the fun they want doing that after they step over the four corpses on my doorstep, one of which will be mine.
Even better, id be interested to see what happens in a state with castle doctrine.
I'll bet dollars to donuts that they know who and who doesn't have registered firearms. They are cherry-picking easy targets right now, and are going to avoid a gunfight if they can help it.
- Dude everyone should be armed. You dont know who these people are. Im not letting human traffickers get at my kids or wife just because ICE doesnt want to ID themselves. Fuck them and that.

This country is falling apart all so a bunch of racist conservatives can feel like they got revenge for Hollywood teasing them. The pain most conservatives will feel from the Republican policies will be brutal, but at least they get to inflict pain on their perceived enemies. What a silly fucking country.

I also think it’s pent up rage because a black man was president. These racists will literally never let that go or accept it.
- I've heard it so many times from racists I am related to and work with. ''We had a black president NOTHING IS RACIST ANYMORE! I can say whatever I want now'' they REALLY can't figure out what 'racism' means on any dictionary level.
- Its wild considering that they are aliens, not native americans. They are literally guests of this country
There is no greater flake than a butt-hurt, racist conservative. That's why political correctness exists: to protect their feelings.
We have reached a point in reality where I believe Tolkien's "Evil will defeat itself" when even Trump supporters are swept up by the consequences of their voting choices.

If not GeStaPo, why GeStaPo shape?

Thank god the US is fucking loaded with guns, so people can defend themselves.

/s

And yet we dont. This has always been the gun fetishists fantasy situation, but now that its here, they dont use their guns. Seems like they wasted their money.
- The gun fetish people are the only ones signing up to be ICE.
More guns than people, but in the hands of a few. And anyone at risk of being deported is even less likely to risk it.

Free country 🦅🦅🦅🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

God I hope more people will end up shooting or beating up ICE agents. What happened to your guys second amendment?

They people who most vocally claim it is for use against a tyrannical government are happy that their government is abusing their black and brown neighbors.

So felony kidnapping and aggravated menace. If they refuse to identify I dont see why we have to assume they are officers.

I see loads of people saying this. Doing however...

Just a matter of time before these thugs start getting gunned down while trespassing

It needs to happen sooner than later.
DHS website claims they're 800% more likely to be assaulted than other law enforcement. Not that we can trust it whatsoever but seems that's already the case.
- That number needs to be at least ten times higher.
Any day now...

Super normal when your leader is a convict

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How much longer before one of these becomes an outright gun battle? Or some dude screaming “show me a warrant!!” while holding an AR15. I want someone to make these ICE fuckers scared to do this.

Will it even be reported?

I am failing to find either a list of ICE abduction / detention victims or a list of ICE officer-involved homicide.

In 2015 police officer-involved homicide (that's a euphemism for when a law-enforcement officer kills someone) averaged four victims a day, and those are the ones uncovered by activist groups who tracked incidents through news and obituaries.

So I cannot imagine a quota of 3000 abductions a day is going to proceed cleanly. Technically, they're succeeding at about 1100 abductions a day on average. We've seen their violence discipline and deescalation skills are wanting.

The only news I can find about ICE killing someone is from the Biden era, and only a few are reported.

So if anyone knows how often ICE pulls the trigger and kills (or seriously hospitalizes) members of the public, and can find me sources, please let me know. We should be tracking them, and we should be saying their names.

I don't have that data for you, but don't forget that people also die in ICE detention, often due to withheld medical care.
EDIT: And apparently due to other reasons too...

Yeah, they're not hiring the best and the brightest here but they are hiring the most supremacist and this is what happens when you let that take over.

I'd say that they could sue but given how the courts have been stacked, they really stand no chance.

They are forgiving 60k of student loan debt. You know who has 60k in student loans besides active students? Graduated students on their why to almost paying off that quarter million student loan or droppouts. Not the brightest by design.
- What are you talking about? They blocked all loan forgiveness that Biden was attempting to provide.

The good footage is already redacted..-

man it sure would be a shame if ICE and LE assholes got treated the way they treated innocent people.

i mean shit, if someone breaks into my house and they don't identify themselves...

It was her lucky day that she was not shot

Sick country and it is becoming worse.

Treat every firearm as if it is loaded
Never point a firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy
Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot
Be sure of your target and what is behind it

I would say they are not following #2 but I am also pretty sure they are willing to destroy what they're pointing their weapons at in this situation. cunts

this country is so gross..

That seems pretty exciting utopia

There are this many scum suckers who want to be cruel to people?? That's a job people sign up for? wtf.

Meet the American cartel/gestapo!

Masked men

Refuse to give names

Refuse to give badge numbers

Refuse to identify themselves

Have no arrest warrant

Threatening bystander with lethal force

Show no shred of professionalism

Taking your loved one with no explanation other than 'shut the fuck up'

How is this not a kidnapping and why don't people defend themselves.

If masked men who refuse to identify as law enforcement with names, badges, or at least faces, are pushing my wife into an unmarked car ..... Ya someone is getting shot. Even if it's me, no one is taking my wife like that.

Ezekiel 25:17 these incestuous limp dick Gestapo cowards.

Of course it's North Charleston.

ISSce

Still seems like a lot of info is missing, but from the linked article:

Arce has been working toward legal citizenship

The event is fucked up (I assume—there is no info about anything causing him to be targeted specifically, but he has teenage children, obviously he's been in the US for some time now), but at least, based on this, "legal immigrant" in your title is not accurate.

It's important to be honest and accurate, or you make it easier to be dismissed by opponents.

Edit: It's hard to find more information, but apparently he immigrated illegally in 2004, and ignored a deportation order from 2005 (so, has been in the country illegally for over 20 years). If that's true, then yeah, "legal immigrant" in the title is a straight-up lie.

Hey buddy -
Sane people don’t give a fuck if this fella is here legally, this is not okay behavior for a functioning society.
The “opponents” are not engaging in good faith arguments in the first place.
- False information is still false information. You could find a way to justify Fox News with those arguments.
I'm reading replies to your message and I can't figure out why people are coming at you so hard, except that they're conflating you with a Trump supporter or sealion (which is obviously not true if they read your comments), and then just digging in.
You specifically say that this is "fucked up," but there doesn't seem to be a genuine dispute that you are correct, there was a deportation order. Hence, not a "legal immigrant." That sucks, it doesn't mean that the arrest is legal, but it is an objective inaccuracy.
I'm the absolute diametric opposite of a Trump supporter, but I agree we should use accurate words and facts.
It says right there in the article that he "grew up in South Carolina". Another source says his visa papers were taken away years ago and he's been trying to get them back ever since -- hence the "working towards legal citizenship"
- It says right there in the article that he “grew up in South Carolina”.
  Assuming it's true that he did, that does not, at all, contradict/refute him being an illegal immigrant.
  Another source says his visa papers were taken away years ago and he’s been trying to get them back ever since – hence the “working towards legal citizenship”
  That's not a "source", that's the quoted claim of his girlfriend:
  Celeste Hernandez, his significant other, said that...Arce has been in the process of getting his visa papers back after getting them taken away years ago.
  There has been no verification of this claim's accuracy, and she is the furthest thing from an objective third party. Calling her a "source" is disingenuous as fuck, and I have a feeling you know that.
  Not to mention, "working towards legal citizenship" very strongly implies he was never a legal citizen before, or else why wouldn't it say something like he was working toward 'regaining' citizenship, or mention that he 'lost' citizenship?
  It says right there in the article that he “grew up in South Carolina”.
I really hope whoever gets in after Trump, if someone does, basically signs an EO saying all illegal citizens in the USA as of X date are now citizens. With all rights and privileges that conveys.
If that were me, I'd disband ICE in it's current form. They'd be reformed solely for customs enforcement. I'd only enforce immigration issues if and when an illegal immigrant was arrested and convicted of a felony.
- I hope Congress reclaims its power and EOs stop being a thing!