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US condemns French inquiry into Elon Musk's social media platform X/Twitter.

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Translation help from Fascist English to US English:
"activist" = a non-politician whose free speech we don't like
"allow all voices to be heard" / "free speech" = extremist/unconstitutional/propaganda speech which serves the interests of the current fascist regime must be allowed, while every other speech will be labelled as being activist/communist/un-American/...
"defend [...] all Americans" = at least the part of Americans which we tolerate or haven't jailed yet (subject to change)
- Kyub's right.

Democratic governments should allow all voices to be heard, not silence speech they dislike.
That's real fucking rich coming from the government that:
Removed all references to "trans-" regardless of context.
Retaliates against left-leaning press.
Calls information they dislike "fake news".
Sends immigrants to concentration camps.
- Don't forget
  removed funding for weather services or deleted materials related to climate change
  runs from people trying to ask them questions
  
  If we're adding "runs from people trying to ask them questions", we should be more accurate about it.
  runs from people trying to ask them questions, calling them plants put there by political opponents
- That because they don't want free apeech. They want the speech only if its their speech.
- That's the regressive mindset for you. When they say 'all', they mean themselves.
  
  They don't want to be forced to listen to what YOU have to say, but they want to force YOU to listen to what they have to say.
- No no, you don't understand. That doesn't apply to us plebs (US citizens). It only applies to other countries so that the government can checks notes "strongly condemn" them.
- I'm not even joking, I thought that whoever wrote this tweet was supporting the French investigation when I first read that.
- EU is not much better.
  You have to be real careful with controversial subjects such as not liking genocide.
  And plenty countries have forbidden communism.
  Not to mention not honoring elections in Romania and anulling them, and not letting the winning party participate again.
  Even if it is a horrible right-wing party that won, that is still a mask off moment.
- so what do they do with transport? Or foreign companies using trans in their name?
  
  What did they do indeed
  
  I’m waiting for the conniption when all these people find out that the cars and trucks they drive have transmissions.

Is this the same United States that’s investigating people for having unflattering memes of the vice president on their phone?
Tell us more about the importance of free speech.
- It’s the free speech where they cancel broadcasts they don’t like in exchange for approving corporate mergers.

Of course the US will fight tooth and nail to keep its propaganda machines at work all around the globe.
- While defunding NPR and PBS.
- Except that Trump is currently trying to dismantle Voice of America" and other propaganda machines around the globe.
  
  It's ok when he does it. There is no such thing as a Republican who is able to be shamed by hypocrisy. It's their super power.
  
  VoA is competing with the private sector propaganda wing.
  This is just American Libertarianism taken to its logical conclusion. The mistake the Communists made was thinking Pravda didn't need to turn an enormous profit.
  
  that's great, they have always been poison
  
  yeah i guess trump represents a greater shift towards inward politics. not interfering with the rest of the world so much, just doing internal stuff.
  
  While being the biggest pusher of propaganda in US history.
  And VOA was only "propaganda" when you consider objective information to be "propaganda", like dumbfuck Trumpers do.
  Since 1976 the Charter and later the 1994 International Broadcasting Act legally forbid government officials from dictating content. Don't worry about facts, though.
  Trump himself tried to make it a propaganda outlet, doing the exact opposite of what you credit him for. He put Michael Pack in charge who sidelined editors, froze visas for foreign reporters and scrapped long‑standing “fire‑wall” rules that protect editorial independence.

You have to believe that the French government have evaluated in the same week the risk of recognising Palestine and condemning a US company against how vindictive the US government are right now. Hopefully they stick to their guns on both.

Them: Democratic governments should allow all voices to be heard
Us: Free Palestine
Them: Terrorist!

As part of a criminal investigation, an activist American payment network is requesting to stop selling video games that they seem inappropriate and has basically treated itch.io, Steam, etc. as an “organized crime group.” Democratic governments should allow all games to be played, not silence things they dislike. The United States will defend the free prudence of all Americans against acts of foreign fun.

Ask Stephen Colbert about the US' vaunted "free speech".
- His free speech was never infringed. He can say what he wants and not be prosecuted for it. Whether or not he has a job isn't covered by the First Amendment.
  
  Despite being an "entertainment" show, satirical media is still media, and covered by the First. These shows still rely on that protection against lawsuits, and have been exhonerated with the same defence, Cobert in particular. If you could prove government interference in this case, I'd say there was a pretty good basis for a court case based on freedom of the press, which is the corollary of free speech.
- Colbert didn't go to prison, not really a good argument.
  
  There are many ways to suppress speech.
  
  Colbert didn’t go to prison
  Trump unloads in late-night rants threatening to prosecute news networks, Beyonce, Oprah and Kamala Harris
  I'm sure Colbert's on the list somewhere.
  
  Why is this downvoted? It correctly point out what "free speech" actually means.

The only thing I condemn the French inquiry on is that it should have already happened.

From my experience living in the US, the country is not a good reference point for any discussions around the nature of free speech.
Free speech polemics in the US largely have a demonstrative role with individuals parroting random copytext that they've heard before in an attempt to position themselves as being special and independent.
In a way, the whole thing is very entertaining.
- Every state or social group has its shibboleths - the American one is just to performatively pretend they don't have any.
  
  Definitely. There is a lot of good things about the US, lots to see, different types of experiences, nice nature. But that doesn't mean I have to agree with polemics that make no sense.
  
  Name it.
- There is that.
  American democrats, though, irritated me more until I've started noticing Republicans. They have that "parties switched in 1960s" myth (only parties' ideas on race switched, while the main ideology of the democratic party is not too different from "progressives" of 1890s, those guys who advocated for prophylactic lynchings ; and it's the same about Republicans, whose "anti-racist" ideas were just as Christian fundamentalism based as their today's projects), and also the "popular party" myth (while even in appearances being something to the top of which only people born with a silver spoon in mouth can get).
  At the same time the "free speech" stuff over there seems to mostly be about "they in their totalitarian countries (or pockets of society dominated by the other party) are lied by their propaganda media, and we here are free and are told the truth".
  Not sure it's entertaining, it looks depressing. But I haven't lived in the US.

USA can straight up go fuck itself now. They don't dictate anything anymore.
- Seriously. They should do the rest of the world a favour and close itself off from us. That way we won't dictate what their idiots can and can't do or say.
  
  No please, don't leave those of us that are rational in here around with the nut jobs. We're trying to correct course but these people are nuts

By condemning this, the "US" is shooting itself in the foot.
Ever since Twitter owner used Twitter to say Canada "wasn't a real country", no Canadian should be using Twitter. That wasn't just bias, it was an "in your face and screw you" kind of bias.

Martin: Organized crime?
Cosmo: Hah. Don't kid yourself. It's not that organized.
– Sneakers (1992)
Twitter is absolutely going to say "well, we're definitely not an organised hate group. Sometimes people just hate stuff. We're just a social media platform, helping people organise. Oh shit"
- so ... it's not an "organized hate group" but an "organizing hate" group?
- offtopic: I love that movie. It shows everything right despite everything being not serious.

Okay, now defend us from the foreign censorship that Israeli lobbyists baked into our state constitutions. https://www.newsweek.com/pro-palestinian-protest-states-colleges-illegal-bds-1895292

Just block it in Europe already. Or give Musk daily-increasing fines so he has it turned off in the EU.
- The Uk is never gonna block anything from the US let's be honest, the EU might and maybe the rest of Europe, but the UK will not follow.
  
  As a UKian, this is unfortunately true. No matter how many of us want to just cut off the US completely, the government will always capitulate.
  
  They are literally blocking post on x under their new protect the children rules. Which is a rule that will be abuse
  
  No chance
- Just block it in Europe already.
  The Brazil Government did this for a week and immediately extracted big concessions from Elon. Really curious to see the EU so reluctant to employ a tried-and-true tactic... assuming you believe these governments are adversarial to American plutocrats.
- Our leaders will try not to anger the master too much.
  
  then we need new master, i guess?

US condemns....
Good. That means you're doing the right thing. Keep doing it.

EU just rolled over on trade with US. If anyone hopes for some actual fight against US and US corporations coming for Europe they will be disappointment.
- Very disappointing indeed. Hoping to at least see continued work on digital independence, especially in governmental entities.
  
  and social media
- Vasals gonna vasal
- EU just rolled over on trade with US.
  Controlled Opposition. The plutocrats in Europe and the plutocrats in America have been working hand-in-glove for over a century. This is no different than the German government "rolling over" for IBM and Ford and Coca-Cola in the 1930s.

Requesting information isn't limiting free speech is it? Now if that algorithm shows it is indeed limiting or promoting people's speech in a non-equal manner, that would be limiting people's free speech would it not?
- Dont try facts on the American government and 40% of its population. They dont work like that.
- Surely 'X' isn't doing that? Say it ain't so!

Just call it Twitter. He's been trying to make "fetch" happen since the 90s. We get it, rich boy, you have a single-character .com domain. I'm still sending money over PayPal, because that's what it's fucking called.
- PayPal? The platform that can freeze your account and keep your money for whatever reason and amount of time they like? I don't know...
  
  Unfortunately if that's the only payment method someone accepts other than cash

"activist" even trying to discredit foreign federal bureaus by framing them as politically motivated lmao what a bunch of fucking crooks in the US admin.

Censorship is when the French ask "what are you doing?"
- Oh Rene...what are you doing with the painting of the fallen Madonna with the big boobies?

What a shithole country.
- i don't like that term because it's an insult to my butthole. it just so happens that i think that buttholes can be neat, but the US is not.
  
  I was refering to the hole you shit in, not the hole you shit out of.

Idiots.
- Not even regular idiots, hypocritical idiots.

Twitter only allows nazi speech now.

Hasn’t Elon been found multiple times suppressing people who say things he doesn’t like?
- About twice a day yeah

The US Administration, more importantly a branch of the department of state, condemns French inquiry.
A lot of the USA are cheering the French on.

100% "X is an organized crime group". if you count brainwashing as a crime, which i do.
they're manipulating public opinion towards what the rich want to hear. it's all propaganda.
elon musk bought twitter to conduct "social engineering" after doing classical engineering before at tesla. it's all just a way to control what people think, and it's partially working. the people need to get off commercial social media and use something community-hosted, like the fediverse. to reduce the tinkering with recommendation algorithms and also to reduce the bot army.

But Twitter censors all kinds of posts? There is no free speech on Twitter. Just try posting the word cisgendered and see what happens.
- us only likes their own censorship

A French Inquiry...
"Did you ehhhhhh.... do ze crime?"
"Non"
"Par Excellence! Time for some coffee and cigarettes!"
- I hear cigarettes have ironically fallen out of popularity in France, despite it being seen as culturally significant in the past.
- Could call it a... French inquisition
  
  Well nobody would expect that.

What is the actual context here? I don't trust what this tweet says

It is not censorship. This is not a government telling you what to publish or not. This is just finding out how a company is abusing its product to influence politics.

us should realise the world doesn't revolve around them and nobody respects them.

large backlog in north korea, russia, and china. Better get that military up to snuff.

Why are they defending an app/website that has essentially become a knockoff of Stormfront?
- because the us government is essentially a knockoff of stormfront
  
  Couldn't agree more.

He's not American, he's a super racist south african with Canadian citizenship.
- He's been an American for 23 years.
  
  In America. Not the same thing. He's been an illegal alien the whole time.

Now defend it from domestic one.

Did they really classify Twitter as an "organised crime group"? Because that does seem a bit farfetched.
- I have no proof but I suspect it is a mistranslation. The French legal term "bande organisée" literally means "organized crime group" but is simply the French counterpart to criminal conspiracy. That is to say, they are suspected not merely of breaking the law but also of having done so as a collective that knowingly planned for it.

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