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I think the whole works part is the most important part, Linux can be janky (and by that I mean obsolete information and deprecated or outdated packages are often recommended and there are a thousand different ways to do anything with only one of them actually working (don't have an aneurysm)) on the best of days, If something just works you can change what you want later.
anything but Ubuntu tbh.
I won't use Ubuntu Desktop now, but I used it for 6 years: 16 to 22, and loved it for many reasons. I left it for two reasons:
So, I went to NixOS for the declarative setup. It's not always easy especially for niche cases , but at least I always have a working backup. Yes, there are other options, but I like NixOS so I plan to stick with it for now.
My kids use Bazzite and I like that too.
This is crazy. You shouldn’t use Ubuntu for anything desktop related. There’s nothing vanilla about vanilla Ubuntu.
(Custom Gnome extensions, patches on top of Gnome, custom sandbox packages that don’t always work, custom apt that refuses to install the real packages in place of snaps, paywalled security patches, should I keep going?)
Except I have no trouble replacing snaps. I only replace them when there is a need. I always add gnome extensions to mine. I like a little extra and I get it easily with ubuntu. If you are a individual user you can get the ESM updates for free and I do.
When one of the other distros demonstrates anything that I cant get with ubuntu I will move on. Until then I'll keep using it because it keeps working.
When one of the other distros demonstrates anything that I cant get with ubuntu I will move on. Until then I'll keep using it because it keeps working.
You can’t get vanilla Gnome on Ubuntu. There are tons of other distros that will give you vanilla Gnome (they don’t put any of their own patches on top of Gnome).
But I think you were pretty clear that you don’t want vanilla Gnome, so if Ubuntu’s working for you, more power to you. I just wouldn’t recommend it to anyone new to Linux.
Kubuntu LTS (--minimal-install
; no snap
fuckery from the start) has been wonderful.
You could also just use Fedora KDE
Kubuntu for modern systems, Xubuntu for older systems, Lubuntu for older, low-end systems with limited RAM, Ubuntu server for headless servers.
Stay mad, Ubuntu haters.
I'm fairly new to using Linux, is there an Ubuntu for every letter of the alphabet?
If that was a serious question: no, there isn't, there aren't that many desktop environments and many flavors of Ubuntu aren't named like this at all: https://ubuntu.com/desktop/flavors
No, just for different desktop environments.
Kubuntu is KDE, Xubuntu is XFCE, and Lubuntu is LXQt.
No, it’s based off the DE used.
I quite like Kubuntu with the Snap-free minimal install. That said, Snaps are so bad and Canonical’s repos are so dangerous that I cannot recommend it to anyone any more. It’s a shame how greed has ruined Ubuntu.
I use Ubuntu for ROS and work specific tasks, but I get the fuck out when I want to game. Ubuntu looks like a job to me. Just like Windows looks like a job to me.
But the thing is, that's just me. Can't imagine being mad at someone else for using it, but Ubuntu makes me irrationally mad because it's associated to work.
Snaps do suck, but from a usability standpoint, you really can't ignore the fact that 99% of documentation assumes deb, and Ubuntu is generally more up to date than pure Debian. I don't like it myself, but it works and it's better than Windows.
as long as you purge snaps off, its fine.
I use templeOS btw
I use fedora because I dont feel like waiting 6 years for new features ;P
Same. Tried bazzite, works fine, but immutable was annoying me for things like getting openvpn3 working (or anything involving more direct kernel stuff). Still use bazzite on my kid's pc and my laptop but switched to fedora for my desktop and it's been just right.
Ubuntu and Canonical can fuck allllllll the way off. If I had to go back to a dpkg based distro it'd have to be Debian bleeding edge... and honestly I'd probably bite the bullet and try Arch instead just because of Debian's release lag.
Ive tried Arch before and it wasn't for me. Having to find all the packages that work for my setup was a bit of a pain. I was 6 months in trying to print something, not realizing I didnt install CUPS and that was my breaking point lol. Its great for those who want it. Real on canonical tho.
Debian since 1998. No reason to change.
that should be their mission statement.
Use Debian. No good reason to change.
“You’ve done a lot of work to make this work. Do you really want more work?”™
I'm okay with it.
I can think of one. The Debian logo is boring!
Debian gaming wasn't great when a lot of the landscape was changing (around 2016?) and even one of my very Debian friendly colleagues switched his gaming machine to Arch back then because getting the new stuff like AMD Vulkan drivers and DXVK running was really hard on Debian. Don't think he migrated that particular machine back since then.
Ubuntu sucks
You choose the worst option
It's not that bad but I feel like fedora's probably a better option
Installed 24.04 this week. On the second day my graphical interface was completely borked. Bare in mind I only installed the usual things I need like neovim, appimage support, compilers, etc.
I've used the same installation of Arch, Fedora and Suse on different machines for years in a row without an issue
Why?
Canonical is focused on servers and the cloud. Ubuntu lacks quality controls and does things differently than many other Linux systems which leads to instability. I've seen people complain about gnome but in reality they are complaining and Ubuntu gnome not stock. Ubuntu also uses netplan instead of network manager and doesn't have as much systemd integration.
Snap is also it's own special form of hell. It runs as root as daemon and is slow to do anything. It also forces auto updates and takes control when you try to do anything with apt. It is much heavier than Flatpak and you are forced to get your apps from it.
The sad part is that 15 years ago Ubuntu was actually pretty solid. They have just slowly lost relevance as they move the focus to things that make actual money.
Mint, because Ubuntu Cinnamon sucks
This is seriously a hot take
Fedora on the right tbh. Even when you chill and get wisdom Canonical and Snap are just a bit too far.
Fedoras where it's at!
Ewbuntu
Legitimate question as I'm gonna move from Windows 10 within the next couple months. Is there something wrong with Bazzite or Nobara? I had narrowed my decision down to those two since they seem to be an easy transition, they do the things I need, and they're popular enough that I can probably find fixes to any issues I experience. I pushed off my plan to build a desktop, but I still have an aging laptop that is losing security support in a couple of months.
Also, my wife needs Excel specifically for school. Can Excel work on these distros or are there just good alternatives? She might need to keep a Windows 10 partition just for Excel stuff if she can't run it in Bazzite or whatever she picks.
Edit:
Thanks everybody for responses! School is not flexible about using Excel specifically, and she has to share her screen during exams to show that she's just using regular Excel. It's not a hill we're willing to die on lol.
We aren't super interested in doing anything beyond gaming and basic browsing type stuff with our computers, so I'm not sure that Bazzite being immutable really means anything to us. There were some good tips like a /home partition to easily swap distros when needed without losing everything, plus some people pointed out that some of these distros come and go over time so it would be harder to find fixes and continue getting updates if we get too entrenched in something that won't be around much longer.
Overall, I don't think we'll be too picky. We just want a pretty simple process to get something that's like an unbloated Windows, and we don't want to rip our hair out looking for a new distro and starting over every six months. Most people are not power users. I can do pretty much all of my computer stuff on my phone and all of my gaming on my PlayStation, so I really won't notice the difference between most of these recommendations probably.
I landed on Mint because it's a simple no fuss distro that feels familiar to Windows refugees. I game on it just fine and use my computer for a lot of things so wanted something general. I bounced off Ubuntu because it has some decisions that are trying to protect you from actually learning Linux, which is a priority to me.
As a professional spreadsheet pusher, I can confidently say that LibreOffice (the Linux version of MS Office) has been able to do everything I needed that word/excel can, and then some.
But really any distro will be able to install the software you need, and it's easy to switch. Just try it and have fun.
Nothing wrong with them, surely better than Ubuntu, despite the meme.
I went from Nobara to Bazzite and it feels way more polished, although the immutable thing may not be for everyone
Those distros are fine, I haven't heard anything bad about them. The only distros I wouldn't recommend are Ububtu and Manjaro (I can explain why if you want).
About Excel, it doesn't work on Linux unfortunately. But you have some options. You can try LibreOffice and OnlyOffice (you can install them on Windows to try them out before switching) and see if they're enough for your needs. There's also a web version of Excel which you can use in your browser but it doesn't have all the features. If you really need Excel, you can also try using a virtual machine with Windows and run it inside of that but dual booting might be easier for you at that point.
Bazzite over Nobara, IMO.
From what I understand, it's still an excellent choice. It's well supported and decent for new users.
Can you look into if the online version of Excel works for your wife? That might simplify your install. Libre Office and OnlyOffice are decent alternatives, but they might not map 1:1 with the instructions she gets from school.
The main reason why I would steer newcomers away from the likes of Bazzite or Nobara is because I don't think they're going to last long. CachyOS has sprung up just as I was starting to hear less and less about Nobara. They get trendy as THE distro for newbies to install because it has a gimmick or two aimed at newcomers, which will inevitably get rolled into the mainstream, fixed, rendered obsolete or otherwise dealt with in the mainstream within a couple years anyway, then it's off to the next one.
Who here remembers PeppermintOS being the hottest thing?
Staying power is an important and under-rated consideration for sure. Particularly as they get popular and the team behind it needs to be more serious about updates and such (if they aren't already).
Bazzite is fantastic, but because the system is immutable, you can’t just install packages like you can with other distros. This makes it very stable and very secure, but it also means you need to take extra steps if you want to get creative with your system. If you are already familiar with Docker and containers, then you can do anything you want that way, if there isn’t already a flatpak available. As a last resort, you can also use rpm-ostree to create new layers, but if you go that route you need to understand how to use ostree since eventually you will need to fix those layers manually.
Bazzite is an immutable distro, and it expects you to install all your programs through containers. Not all software works with these containers, but like 99.9999% does. I'm a weirdo who wants the deepest of hardware monitoring tools and many of them don't work with these containers. I haven't used Nobara yet but it doesn't appear to be immutable and based on regular Fedora so it shouldn't have those issues.
excel
It may run through wine, and I'd test that out before fully committing. Worst case if that's the ONLY thing you need you could do a VM. But would the cloud (web) version of office work for her? If you're already paying for office 365 then I believe you get it included.
I've had a much better experience with OnlyOffice compared to LibreOffice in terms of MS compatibility, and it's a Flatpak so it should have no issues running under Bazzite.
Both are great, as is Fedora, the one that both are based on.
Nobara had some issues updating correctly for me, but I haven’t seen anyone else express that, so I don’t think it’s a common thing.
Bazzite is really gaming focused, so it’s harder to do general purpose computing on it than a desktop OS.
But they are both great OSes, and really you should just try out a bunch of them and pick the one you like the most. They’re free after all.
Nobara had some issues updating correctly for me, but I haven’t seen anyone else express that
This is why I stopped using it. I could never find anyone else with the same issue or any advice on it either. Glad to find out it wasn't just me after all
I'm not familiar with the above distros, but I'm pretty certain there's more people on Ubuntu which helps a lot with troubleshooting and finding solutions online. One option is, when installing any Linux OS, is to create a separate partition for "home/". that way, you can reinstall any other Linux based OS, and keep most of your files installed.
Excel doesn't work on Linux, but LibreOffice and Google sheets do.
I usually get downvoted for this since it's not open source, but WPS Office is free and basically an exact ms office clone. I use it regularly moving files between my work laptop with windows
Setting up qemu is easy, vm that opens the apps as windows so it seems native while running off a vm works well with cpu based stuff
I went with Nobara because it's pretty much Fedora + gaming related fixes. Meaning every Fedora guide out there works and Fedora on its own is pretty user friendly.
Excel, as in Microsoft Excel might be a problem. If she needs something Excel-like, the default LibreOffice stuff is very capable, but it's not 100% compatible, really depends on what she needs. The online Office 365 thing might also be enough.
As for the Windows partition, a simple virtual machine might be enough and you don't have to reboot the PC every time you need to open an Excel file.
I've had Bazzite break its own update utility such that it needed manual intervention at least 3 times now. I see no point in a "just works" distro that doesn't actually just work.
I thought I saw something that the bazzite project might end once Fedora moves away from the 32 bit packages:
Don't have a link to underline this but it was just a proposal and was not endorsed officially. This is not going to happen.
Mint users make it sound like the distro will literally suck your dick. It's a cult at this point. Forums are filled with issues (which is normal obviously) but nope, "it just works". When it doesn't then that's too bad because as easy as it is to find a vocal Mint user it's much harder to find one who knows anything about Linux.
They should have named Fedora something like "red hat personal" or anything else that doesn't sound like only smelly neckbeards use it and maybe that would be more popular but here we are.
I believe Fedora was named that before the association with neckbeards was a thing. It's hard to believe, but back before the 2010s fedoras were mostly known as the cool hat Indiana Jones and old timey detectives wear rather than the stupid looking hat slobby idiots trying to look cool wear.
fedora is IBM and I kicked them to the curb for good when they killed centos.
Yeah I have found driver issues with mint (particularly with WiFi cards) where Ubuntu doesn't have a problem
Any rolling release will do, doesnt actually matter the flavor.
Steam has been investing into Arch (btw) which is nice but really all you want is quick updates. Graphics drivers on other distros may not be updated quickly enough for you to enjoy the newest releases.
Ubuntu. The only distro I was able to kernel panic. Multiple times. It just doesn’t like power users.
I mean, LMDE is working out pretty nuke proof for my (humble) gaming rig.
I had a couple of minor issues when it was new, but it's been rock solid for months. The only issue I had recently turned out to be a major bug in Steam that is currently being fixed.
Using pop OS for 5 years. Never tried any other, never seen the need to. I picked at mostly random and don't really understand the differences.
That is the thing of it. I started with Slackware. Then Debian and moved to ubuntu. I'm still using ubuntu. I've loaded up some other distros but they bring nothing definitive to the table. I've installed pop os and it works. If it had existed when I moved away from slackware I might have picked it. If you are using it and its working for you why bother changing.
I went Ubuntu > Mint > Ubuntu > Pop_os. The only difference I've noticed is Pop breaks less often.
I used Mint for a good long while, but went to Fedora KDE for better Wayland support. KDE is quite different to Cinnamon, not sure I have the words to articulate how. It's fussier. The main difference about Fedora is package management, DNF is slower than APT, a lot less software is packaged as RPMs, and a lot of "we don't package it, you have to compile it" software offers no instructions for Fedora, and trying to translate the Debian/Ubuntu instructions practically always fails because the library they want you to install isn't there. So Fedora is Linux with less software.
Mint because the name is fun
Never Ubuntu. Kubuntu is as close as I am willing to get, and even then I'd rather go for Mint or Debian.
But then I'd have to deal with snap.
Oh no. Anyways.
Same but with plain Fedora on each side.
I consider myself to be 'techie' for lack of a better word. I have custom janky solutions for everything. I have in the past written down a blue screen and troubleshooted it to give the IT team notes... Hell, I used to be the guy IT would call if they received a ticket from my office (anyone in my office) because I could give them more details and such... So, I like computers and shit, right?
And holy fuck I don't get the Linux world. I used Mint back in '13ish and it was fine but in a different place back then. I use Pop_OS! on my laptop and I like it just fine. I use Ubuntu on my secondary computer and I like it just fine. I don't get what I'm supposed to prefer about all these different distros/environments. I can't wrap my head around it. Do y'all change OSes that often? Am I missing out on something? Am I wrong or are y'all the kids who are wrong?
I feel like a lot of it is from new-ish users excited to talk about it and in the process of forming often prematurely strong opinions on this versus that within Linux. After 15 years of daily driving Linux desktop environments i settled on the one that gave me the least fuss and havent given it a second thought since. I suspect there are many with a similar story, but it's a boring conversation start if people are looking to debate it.
This meme but with Mint Cinnamon IMO.
TL;DR: I'm a true Linux noob, and now love and appreciate Linux thanks to openSUSE Tumbleweed. :)
In all seriousness, as a Linux noob, openSUSE Tumbleweed made me actually start to really enjoy using Linux as my main OS. I've fucked up plenty of times, and at that point I would've had to reinstall most other distros, but Snapper came in and saved the day. I'm sure there are plenty of other distros that do snapshots just as well, but this is coming from someone who last tried running Linux 5-6 years ago, and was still fucking my shit up somehow. I've never had the best of luck with Linux, which is why I always stayed on Windows.
Then came Microsoft's ever increasing enshittification, and I saw openSUSE Tumbleweed on the distrowatch website, downloaded it, and here we are 8 months later, and openSUSE has remained my main OS. I only got a desktop for gaming, and it fit the bill almost perfectly. I had to learn some things, that's for sure, but what got me to stay was the stability! I had never used a Linux distro up until that point that made BTRFS and system snapshots the default. This was crucial for someone like me who only dabbled in Linux because I love the idea behind it, I could just never get too far into using it before fucking my shit up!
There are plenty of options that are similar, or maybe even better than openSUSE, but they won my interest and respect for getting a noob like me to truly envelope themselves into Linux.
I'm still nowhere near anything that might resemble your common Linux user, but damn do I really love my computer again now. It's like when I was kid again, and first started using computers, fascinated by what I could do.
Out of curiosity, do you have an Nvidia graphics card? I tried migrating to Linux at the beginning of this year, but I couldn't get my favorite games to run, like Cyberpunk 2077 and Kingdom Come Deliverance, so I ended up bailing.
Same bro, Nvidia and Linux don't play very nice together. I had horrible framerates in browser animations for example, so even videos ran at 3fps or so with audio glitches.
Not to mention 3d gaming. I'll try again in a few years, see if it changes.
As someone with two separate computers that have nvidia cards, I can only recommend hopping distros until one works.
(I'm not going to admit that manjaro worked out of the box on both of them and I ended up staying on it out loud on the internet)
My laptop has an nvidia gpu. It never really worked right on Bazzite, basically could not game unless the igpu could run the game. I switched it over to Garuda (which I had been running on my desktop for a couple of years) and the gpu drivers all just worked. It now plays games just as easily as my desktop. The above comment could basically be exactly my experience, just replace openSUSE Tumbleweed with Garuda. I am unlikely to hop distros because I (luckily) found one that "just works" for me.
Honestly, that is kind of the beauty of Linux to me, and why I hate all of the "distro recommendation" threads. If someone only tries one distro, they might never stay because they got unlucky. I'd love for them all to truly work just as well as any other, like so many posts claim, but it just isn't the case (out of the box, at least). We all have so many varied experiences that drive those recommendations.
Something running Wayland on plasma for me.
If we listen to protondb apparently its Tumbleweed
Fuck yeah! Tumbleweed made me love Linux for real! :)
I've been using Pop-Os for about 2 years now. It's Ubuntu based and great for gaming.
I find having something based on Ubuntu is really great for anything I would need a tutorial or any kind of support for.
Really excited to see what the Cosmic DE looks like when it goes into live or later betas.
Ubuntu is just Debian with extra steps.... and snaps
Which is reason enough to go with Debian (I have an unreasonable issue with snaps).
yeah, snaps.... they should have just gone with appimage I don't like them either, but at least we can all settle on one bag of pain.
I will never not use the aur, CACHYOS was my first distroand, tried others, I'm good. Missing nothing with flatpaks + aur + debtap, i like max options, install all except snaps, no appeal
Ubuntu was my first foray into Linux via Ubuntu server in school. I didn't care for it and several years later realized it was because I just don't like Gnome.
Can confirm. I use Vanilla Ubuntu.
Thing is, I think we're already past that weird transitional period where there exists a good solution for X common problem in linux gaming, but is only shipped in some nieche gaming-oriented distro, instead of any general purpose distros. Most desktop linux distros are already "bloated" (in a sensible way) so it's not like they would lack whatever components we need for gaming. Sure there can be nice extras, but that's mostly only useful for the miniscule cross-section of people who consider themselves powerusers but are afraid of installing programs from the package manager.
Wouldn't you want something more bleeding edge like Arch? Or at least Fedora, or something like openSUSE Tumbleweed?
(I understand it wouldn't work for the meme, so let's say Fedora.)
Just checked my Mint. Why Cinnamon uses so much VRAM? I have over 1GB idle, without anything running. In my Windows i usually have 400Mb with all things closed.
I remember this site
https://www.linuxatemyram.com/
But honestly, although I can't check it, 1GB idle is still far more ram than what I get idle, so you might have some weird program auto-starting and actually eating your ram.
I... I just heard of cachy OS yesterday for the first time and i like it...
I used pop!_OS before btw. and i hated it.
CachyOS user here. It was the only distro+KDE that worked with my GeForce flawlessly.
Secureblue.
linux Mint
If you're a programmer: NixOS.
Define your OS config, which programs to install, and dotfiles in one repo. Install a fresh OS, pull in the repo (nix-shell -p git
, because NixOS doesn't come with git >_> ) and run the command to install the whole thing (sudo nixos-rebuild switch --flake .#wodan
for me. wodan
is just the name of a config - I have multiple all combines into one repo, so I can share configuration between machines).
Took me 17 minutes to set up my laptop exactly the same as my Desktop. Same configuration, applications, and OS settings. It's so fucking nice.
With Windows, that used to take 2 days to download and install everything manually.
Only downside: You'll need to learn Nix-the-language, nix-the-os, and nix-the-terminal-program, which took about a month of deeply digging into the Vimjoyer and LibrePhoenix channels.
This. I'd better use windows then listen to another round of debate Ubuntu vs Arch..
Non-corporate users use Ubuntu? Last time I tried it, I have encountered bugs on day one, and I nearly instantly switched to random distro with KDE (openSUSE, which also I dislike btw).
Also I have very 'fond' memories of using it in about 2011-2013 where the program crashing message is burnt into my mind, because how often it appeared, and sometimes even the error reporting tool was crashing for some reason.
I also tired a random distro, I could not get HDR to work, so I went back to windows
nobara has working hdr, any kde plasma desktop using distro should...
Haven't done much in the desktop space, but Ubuntu seems solid for noobs. Tons of tutorials out there to get a new person on their feet. Go Ubuntu, learn, change it up later. Not like this is a life defining moment. Go with what works out the box and has idiot-proof help out there.
My go-to for servers is headless Debian. Am I wrong? Serious question.
where's nixos on the graph?
Asking ChatGPT to help them get games running since there’s no worthy wiki 🥲
GPT: "first, I'm gonna need you to drop a hardware.opengl.enable = true;
"
Me: "GPT, you fucking slut! They changed the opengl
option to graphics
in 23.11!"
no one uses nixos for gaming. its mostly ricing and home servers.
ok call me "no one" then, you someone
I use NixOS and play games on it
Mint all the way.
Look, I know that there will never be consensus with this topic, but I genuinely believe Mint has the potential to become posterboy for the Linux boom.
It's not just about the path of least resistance (i.e., ease of use and learning with safety wheels), but it's also about setting the fundamentals strong and limiting them to maintainable manageable levels. Which I felt Mint walks the line pretty succinctly.
There's a song called 'No More Fucks to Give', all time banger (you should listen to it if you haven't), it made me have a small realization that you have only a limited amount of Fucks you can give in life, and I feel like same should be a good soft rule any distro to adhere to.
I went with Garuda. It’s pretty. Steam games are hit and miss a bit still tho :/ I have Nvidia and intel stuff. I9-9900k /RTX super 2070.
Give me a reason to change. It needs to be something real not something perceived.
i imagine asking a linux user what version to use is the same experience other people have when they ask me about my favorite food, with 5 qualifying statements peppered throughout my explanation of how it depends on what kind of shoes im wearing
I use gentoo out of elitism and I want the Linux to be taken over by corps so I can move to a real is called freebsd
Ain't no one using Ubuntu on the right side. Would have been funnier with arch. Also missing the NixOS nerds in the middle.
Nixos do be nice though. I'd consider LFS is for the true neckbeard nerd.
If there is one that runs SF6 I want that one.
Any, then. https://www.protondb.com/app/1364780
Usually distros don't affect game compatibility
AFAIK the anticheat was the problem right?
https://areweanticheatyet.com/?search=street+Fighter&sortOrder=&sortBy=
I use cachyos and aurora, if any Ubuntu user wants the laugh at me be my guest. 😀
Having out of the box settings doesn't hurt though. If you set Mint correctly it's almost the same.
Every bit of pain I've had since installing Ubuntu is to do with Snap.
I can't even get Firefox to play videos smoothly.