Steam is cracking down on porn games, to keep Payment Processors happy.
Steam is cracking down on porn games, to keep Payment Processors happy.
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On the one hand, oh noz, the incest games. Who will live without the low effort AI goon crap?
On the other hand, why do the payment companies get to dictate what sales are made? It's my fucking money, or my fucking store. It's not the job of the payment processors to determine if I'm buying illegal goods, just that the money goes from me to the store.
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It's been like this for a while in the porn industry. In an interview a while back, Bree Mills says she gets more limited by payment processors than the government (though that might be switching).
Ever wonder why every faux-incest video goes out of the way to say everyone is a step family? Step father, step daughter, step mother, step brother, all somehow living in the same house, over 18, and no blood relation? The first amendment protects them from the US government, so that's not why. Credit card companies are why. The old Taboo series was distributed differently back in the day. Can't make that anymore.
This also applies to some of the more extreme BDSM stuff, like blood play or scat. Won't find them on kink.com.
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Yeah, processors and web hosts both play a huge role in policing content. The beasiality and lolicon websites haven't been disappearing for the last 15 years because moral awakening. It's been the web hosts shutting down websites because they violate some local law and it interfered with there profits.
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The payments can become a legal liability for the processors. I believe there are federal laws that have penalties for anyone who facilitates transactions for certain prohibited goods or services. It's the same reason cannabis shops have such a hard time getting payment and banking services.
The payment processors have very little incentive to take risks here. As others have noted, there isn't much competition pressure.
EDIT: I went to find a source, and found the cannabis analogy isn't right. Seems that Visa and MasterCard really are the primary censors of the porn industry. This archived FT article went in depth. https://archive.ph/zXKuD
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It's not even legal risk. It's brand risk.
There's a difference with cannabis shops because that's actually still federally illegal. As such, the required business accounts and tax documents required to use a national payment processor are often not forthcoming. It's a low level regulation that you can't generally tell a federal bank you'd like an account to store the proceeds of a federal crime.
With porn, the legal standards and protections are pretty well established. As long as the company is in possession of the required tax documents and business accounts, there's no legal risk beyond the standard due diligence they need to do for every customer. Visa isn't generally liable if a tire shop is discovered to be breaking a non-financial law. What processors don't want is to have their brand attached to something that they worry could make them look bad.
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Not really. In the US, the first amendment protects a lot. Just like with YouTube censorship, capitalism has created a more restrictive regime through financial pressure than the government does. This has affected the porn industry, as well (see another comment in this subthread on that).
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They are just testing their power, make you get used to it. Someday they will make pressure for some ideology. Whenever there's a morality argument in place prepare to get fucked.
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As a form of protest, we should all start scooping up incest porn games.
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Found Jamie Lannister's account.
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I mean isn’t this effectively the problem bitcoin aimed to solve originally? Don’t get me wrong, crypto is fucked and I’m not advocating for it here per se. But a locally processed, secure, digital version of cash bypasses the need for any of this. Granted it bypasses the need for some of the most powerful institutions on the planet too, and so will never happen in a truly egalitarian sense.
Also just cause it’s bugging me, you understand that a credit card, or even a debit card or PayPal/venmo account, does not equate to ‘your money’ the way physical cash does, right?
Im not saying you shouldn’t have the right to privacy when making a purchase. But mandating the processors of that purchase ignore what that money is doing is a fools errand as that’s basically a core mechanism in their operation and generation of profit.
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I'm in a similar boat. I actively dislike incest/fauxcest porn and porn games. I don't find it "naughty taboo" but gross and often fetishizing straight-up abuse. I'm not sad to see such games and videos, that I can never quite filter out because they are never consistently tagged, go. I am worried that they will try pulling the same shit as Tumblr and OF.
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Why shouldn't the payment processors get a say in the payments they process? Illegal or not, why should they be forced to process payments that facilitate things against their beliefs?
Steam could pursue other payment processing possibilities instead of acquiescing to their demands.
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Steam could pursue other payment processing possibilities
Imagine you can't use visa or mastercard. What other fucking payment card acceptance system are you going to use for payment processing in under 30 seconds?
Why shouldn’t the payment processors get a say in the payments they process
Because it's none of their business what I buy. If a store is a reputable business that isn't defrauding me, and are a legal entity, then whatever they sell to me or I buy from them should only matter to me and the seller.
Illegal or not, why should they be forced to process payments that facilitate things against their beliefs?
So half the market can get nuked once the CEO decides whatever faith du jour they have disallows whatever?
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Because they're a financial institution, not an individual. They don't have beliefs.
Arguing that corporate "beliefs" (image management) and interests take priority over societal order is ridiculous.
We regulate banks and financial institutions all the time. We regulate businesses all the time.
They should suck it up and treat businesses with legal activities and proper tax documents as just another business. Kinda like how we have laws that say that public shipping companies need to generally treat all customers the same. It's why they don't typically ask what's in the box aside from questions related to operational characteristics. Porn doesn't spontaneously ignite and threaten an aircraft, but lithium batteries can.
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Because corporate religions are obviously more important than individual religions and beliefs. It goes against my beliefs to pay overdraft fees. Do you think that shit would hold up? They are constantly changing the rules that you have to follow and enforcing their will on everyone whether they use their service or not.
Religion is vile.
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Because it’s not their fucking money! If someone is selling a thing, offers to sell it to me for money, and I give them money, I get the fucking thing! The processors can fuck right off with their Victorian bullshit.
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Things of questionable moral value have been available for sale for as long as money has existed. It’s not like this is new. Payment processors got into this business knowing perfectly well that some purchases may not align with their moral values. In fact, they’ve been profiting off it for decades. They don’t get to suddenly clutch their pearls now.
To be clear, I won’t miss the incest games. I just don’t like the precedent this is setting.
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In a world without regulation etc... maybe. Bottom line we've given payment processors power. Bottom line we need to buy things in the digital world, unless crypto can actually be stabilized or designed in a way that doesn't require an unsustainable massive energy waste and polution to use.
There either needs to be a universal good as cash payment processor that anyone can easily use... or we need to force ones that exist to transfer payments without bias.
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Because I'm not a right-libertarian who ignores how corporations setup coercive structures all their own in a perversion of free association.
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Because they're functionally a utility. If they want to throw their weight around they should be forced to compete with a public option
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Payment processors should not be allowed to dictate what content they allow to be bought and what not. It's not their job to police people, let me live ffs
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Agreed. If it's not illegal then it should be allowed. Not that I approve of this type of content, but corporations should not be selectively enforcing their morals.
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I think platforms should freely moderate and that payment processors shouldn't even know the legality
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So here's the rub. I agree with you but rules are not universal. They don't give a shit about the money they're making now they see the countries whose markets they can't enter because of various laws and get pissed. So we get held to the most restricted standards that will allow them the most business. It's bs. Basically since they want to do hypothetical business in like... Vietnam, we have to loose our smut.
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Here's what i think is likely. For one reason or another, they get excessive refund/chargeback requests regarding these types of titles and decided to act as they don't think it's profitable.
I don't think they care what so ever what you buy, as long as it's profitable for them.
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I wish that was the case. It's mostly just extreme right lobbying groups like Focus on the Family and the Alliance Defending Freedom, the same groups that control the far right, exert colonial control over impoverished African countries, and generally make the world a worse place for everyone. The same groups that manufactured cases to screw up Dobbs, Wedding cake lawsuits, and death penalty laws for LGBTQ citizens of Uganda.
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It's only a matter of time before they come for furry stuff. They did it with fansly. It's apparently "simulated bestiality" and from what I've heard you aren't even allowed to reference trans puppy girls, pup play, etc without getting banned.
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Wait, puppy play would get you banned? Isn't that just, like, wearing funny ears and walking around on hands and knees or whatever? Maybe at most a tail buttplug? I don't really get the appeal myself, but it seems pretty damn benign.
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That's different than cub stuff right?
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Yes. Cub stuff can be banned for all I care.
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Good. That shit is vile.
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Hey, no kink shaming!
What happens between two (or more) consenting adults that isn't causing harm to others is none of your business.
Don't like it? Don't do it or watch it or play games themed around it.
And don't be a sad individual who is only able to get joy from shitting on things others like. Because that life only ends in you dying miserable and alone, with nobody to mourn your passing and the last time your name is spoken being by the priest who rushes through a form-letter eulogy to get you sent off to the beyond as quick as possible.
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So?
It's a game with a representation of something that can't even happen. It doesn't even get to the point where you could have a discussion about simulation creating a demand for real that some things have because it's not even remotely realistic.It's not my cup of tea, but that just means I don't look at it.
It's because you think it's icky and you don't know how to handle those feelings, isn't it?
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Thank you for your contribution, it's suitably appreciated.
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I wouldn't really care if Steam decided to crack down on porn games, its their store. Payment processors being the ones to force Valve's hands simply doesn't sit right.
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I didn't know this till I heard a podcast series about this, but the global rulemakes for porn are Visa and Mastercard. They decide what "goes too far" and remove a site from their service if they don't like it, effectively cutting off all revenue streams and killing the site. They did this with porn sites and threatened OnlyFans. There are a bunch of rules they've written for the industry (e.g. fingering an orofice with4 fingers was acceptable, but when the thumb goes in then it becomes "fisting" and this used to be unacceptable), but many rules are unwritten and have to be guessed.
I think this is the podcast series for anyone interested (although I heard this a long time ago and I'm not sure if it was a different series and I'm not going to listen again to confirm).
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yup they did this a LONG time ago with porn sites and DVD sales. I used to work in that industry as a web developer in the early 00s. Third party billers specifically set up for the porn industry thrived because of this.
there were many silly rules like you said, no fisting, at most two fingers in the asshole, Incest was "OK" as long as it was "step-" whatever BUT you could get away with it if you laid the ground work initially and say "step-mom" or whatever and then later on just say "mom". Step-Dad was...hit or miss if you could get away with it. Scat was a no go BUT piss was ok IF it was from Europe, sorry US folks, you're not allowed to piss on each other and film it in the good ol United States according to Visa and Mastercard. Finally some stuff like gang bangs or "abuse" porn was fine AS LONG as the girl at the end of the video has a mini interview claiming what a great time she had while covered in jizz. Visa and Mastercard needed to ensure this lady enjoyed herself.
fucking really dumb rules and I would have LOVED to be a fly in the room when Visa and Mastercard lawyers came up with these things.
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::: spoiler Transcript nickyflowers: It would be cool if websites let you be an adult on them. The advertisers and payment processors need everything to be Family Friendly though their definitions of family and friendly are fucked. But since they're in charge of the Internet now, no one is allowed to be an adult. TikTokers say things like "unalive" and "seggs" because they know death and sex are too adult for online. Online is for idiot babies only now because they're easier to market to.
nickyflowers: Oh I'm sorry you're a trans adult? Super ban. You are super banned for life. You have upset Visa's feelings. Mastercard is throwing up in the corner. How could you do this to Google Ads? :::
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Absolutely spot on. It reminds me of a comment I saw somewhere on here a few months ago where some clown used "seggs" and someone else responded to them and said they can just say sex because there aren't any algorithms here that would cause problems for them. The clown has a complete meltdown and ranted and raved in response about how they've been using "seggs" long before the internet or some wild shit like that and how dare anyone tell them that they don't have to use it here. The really fucked up thing was that he got a bunch of up votes and the person they lost their minds on was down voted to hell. I felt like I was losing my mind reading that interaction.
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This might sound like a good idea. But it is not, since lets say some topic is too sensitive for the payment processor, then they have monopoly on what game can and can not be allowed on Steam.
So in the long run, this is a bad idea.
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Not a fan of porn games (which aren't available here anyway), but that is not a good sign.
Why would they even cater to payment providers? They should not be able to determine whether you bought a porn game or a regular game, just that it's something on Steam.
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Payment processors don't know which game you bought. That's not the concern.
Their concern is that the store they do business with provides services to content they deem inappropriate. Frankly, I'm surprised they allowed this much for so long given the past.
Why credit card processors are puritans, I have no idea. But MC, Visa and PayPal have historically always been super anti-porn.
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They act puritan to help facilitate business in more restricted cultures like China or Vietnam. Allowing everything that is allowed in the most liberal countries wouldn't loose them their marketshare in those countries. Disallowing it though, that opens those foreign markets with minimal negative effect to their processing volume. How many people are going to blame visa for this? Most will just blame Steam who is just conforming to the standards the processors set.
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Payment processors and financial institutions sure do seem to hold disproportionate amounts of power.
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They've been pulling this shit for years. It's just been to stuff you agree with. You think the zoo porn just and drawn CSAM just disappeared from the big platforms and search engines because it was the right thing to do? Nah it was the processors and ad agencies. Pressure from capital. People just didn't care then because they agreed with it.
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I hope that the EU creates a digital currency system that is universal, and for privacy coins to become common. I don't want to deal with American payment processors, because they want to prevent me from supporting the people who make my life better.
Payment should be a dumb pipe, allowing me and you to uphold the social contract.
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The EU is investigating a digital euro, but you won’t be pleased to learn that one of the key reasons is to increase tracking and compliance. Meaning their stated goal is to be able to restrict how the currency is used, by who, when, and on what. The EU is the very last organisation to ever create and maintain an anonymous and agnostic currency. We have that already with monero.
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Ability to pay for anything legal implies accountability. I doubt payment processors are creating these rules because they're afraid of Jesus.
They just did the math and there's probably a ton of disputes/chargebacks on certain content.
Should two consenting adults be able to pay each other for whatever the fuck - absolutely. But dumb pipe only sounds really good until you get scammed.
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I doubt payment processors are creating these rules because they're afraid of Jesus
For starters, the biggest owners of both Visa and Mastercard are Mormons, so...
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I hope too, but likely will be shut down by the US, for "unfair state meddling with the free market".
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First they came for the incestuous porn
Then they came for the furries
Then they came for games with violence
Then...
Then...
Then...-
Nah they love violence. It keeps the gravy seals as hapless betas.
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The violent video games though, those are the latest satanic panic I've been aware of thanks to that idiot Jack Thompson
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Kept cumming?
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So… why tell payment processors exactly what was purchased? Why not call it “Steam store transaction” and that’s it?
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Ironically, when you look at the receipts that is all it says.
I think they're just blanket saying "follow our morals or die" rather than "this particular title offends us".
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Oh, okay. Still sucks, but at least I understand now. Thanks!
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in some previous times something like this happened (I forgot specifically which), visa/mastercard would deny all payments with a platform until whatever offended them was removed (don't know if they only threatened that or actually followed through)
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Wait a minute, PayPal is pulling puritanical bullshit again? Did they learn nothing from the last time they tried that?
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This has been a thing for at least ten years now. Credit card and money processor companies have policied content for ages. That's why it's hard in some ways to pay for porn. They fucking strong arm and moralize. To be fair I only have like one game on steam that's smut but since it was snow days I'm betting it will be removed.
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You know what? I'm going to buy some yaoi on steam out of spite. Spite yaoi.
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Ted Cruz in shambles
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No worries, Sex With Hitler is still available for purchase.
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Steam should accept bitcoin or some other crypto as default for all titles and only use card for "safe" titles
Steam users are mostly tech savvy enough to do it
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Steam used to accept Bitcoin, they stopped when the transaction fees made it unusable. Every time I remember that I get really pissed off, had the block size been increased back then Bitcoin would still be accepted in the many places it was (Steam wasn't the only one, lots of stores online used to accept it), but because they kept promising a magic solution that never manifested people lost hope and jumped ship (which did solved the problem as nowadays only investors use Bitcoin, so a lot less transactions, a lot more value in them, and higher fees matter less)
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well now we have lightning maybe the time has come to try again.
Having already had an implementation working should hopefully help
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Can I send them an unmarked envelope with enough money to buy the games I want, with only my username in the envelope?
That would be cool.
But agreed, I think steam should accept crypto.
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They had Bitcoin integration for quite a while. It was removed during a system change, probably because very few people used it
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i had no idea and i've held crypto in some form or another since 2014. Maybe it wasnt marketed well
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This is actually a really good idea. The people that want these kinda games are either underage horndogs on their parents computer, or able to use crypto.
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Still waiting for NANO to become widespread 💀
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This is why cryptocurrencies were created. getmonero.org
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No, they were created to facilitate pyramid schemes and scams.
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Not originally, but they became the very evil they sought to fight against. Some are still holding onto the good fight, most just see it as a virtual online casino.
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That's true for all non precious metal currencies.
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If the US used something like pix, MasterCard, visa, etc, wouldn't have any power to do this, but they want to make Brazil delete pix from existence. Interesting.
Edit: grammar
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But how could the poor little multi billon dollar multinational companies keep thier bully monopolies if they have competent competition /sarcasm/
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The central bank facilitating electronic cash flow makes so much more sense than letting random foreign corporations siphon billions in profit they clearly don't deserve in the slightest from your economy.
Good on Brazil for breaking free. There's finally been some push here in the EU for EPI/Wero, but progress has been frigid and online payment processing remains extremely fragmented to the point that if I buy something online outside the Benelux with a small vendor, chances are very high I will have to fall back to an American payment processor, which is insane.
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I wish I could use that as an American. I trust Brazil more than I trust America
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Gamers on Lemmy think Steam is THEIR corporation and Gabe is THEIR billionaire. You get downvoted for criticizing steam for anything, or even pointing out that they’re a corporation run by a billionaire and they don’t actually care about you.
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They don't care about me but they care about the service they provide. And that differs them from other corps. I also don't care about them, just of the service they provide. They provide better than most.
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It's porn. We can focus on more important things billionaires are ruining.
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Sweet summer child. Porn is the reason we have VHS, porn is the reason we have the internet, porn was doing video streaming before Netflix and YouTube. Porn is one of the greatest motivating forces in this world.
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Hey if you want to goon and not pay might I suggest F95zone a wonderful porn game forum with a very good search system. I think it's the dot to that's the proper site, but it's hard to think right now because everything hurts for no fucking reason.
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They might sort of have to do this or risk being cut off, given the loss of US Net Neutrality and the new pro-business-rights administration.
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We really also need payment neutrality. I don't like the content that's being removed, but I really don't like that visa gets to decide that websites are allowed to show, sell, and everything else. I don't give half a damn if someone decides to swipe their card at the heroin and machine gun store, visa shouldn't be the one deciding that they can't make that transaction
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Fully agreed. On the service-provider side, we have 'safe harbor' laws: A site isn't liable for copyrighted user-generated content as long as they have mechanisms to take down items when notified.
Liability-wise: The payment processors should have no fucking insight into what is being sold, only that they handle the transactions. Therefore, they should have no liability, similar to "safe harbor".
Reputation-wise: I can almost see a history where Visa, for example, used a statement like "we don't handle transactions for X" as a marketing ploy... but that is way past where we are. There's no chance of reputational damage to a payment processor for the items for which they handled a payment. Combined with the above, if I say I'm giving $20 to Tim, you give $20 to Tim and take it from me. Done. Not your problem.
As another commenter stated, the payment processor should be a dumb pipe, and anything illegal being sold should be a liability for the seller or buyer. The idea of a moral judgement of the processor is as stupid as a water pipe to your house cutting off the flow if your shower runs too long.
The real problem is the politicians, or lobbyists/influencers, who are sending bribes to each other to gain advantage... but visa doesn't have a problem handling a venmo transaction for 'tuition'.
Let me buy horny games until after you block world superpower corruption first. But honestly, don't even do that. Just handle moving the money when someone send it. That's your only job.
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There is a lot of talk dancing around the issue here. This isn't an American thing or a Puritan thing. This is purely a capitalism thing. They have been doing this for years. Do you think lolicon got forced off of every major platform for moral reasons? It breaks laws in various counties that the web hosts and payment processors operate in. Wincest porn, CNC porn, Zoo Porn, NSFL stuff. It's all illegal somewhere. These companies are chasing profits. Those niche topics mentioned above lock them out of expanding into some places. Like China. They don't give a fuck about the ethics of the content. They care that they're loosing money by not being able to conduct business in those markets. They care that hosting it makes them a target and possible have to deal with law enforment of some country, fines, or vigilante style attacks on their network. You'll loose your little family harem video game. They don't care. They're making billions processing the main narket. It's capitalism and the global economy that's making your platforms more conservative.
"It's just good business." It pisses me off.
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It's not unrelated to the puritanical thing. Otherwise they wouldn't be afraid of losing money facilitating payments for porn.
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If you can't buy these games on Steam anymore, where can you buy them?
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JAST, Kagura, DlSite, Itch, Patreon, and GOG are some vendors. I recommend JAST and Kagura, since they are dedicated to perverse games. DlSite is good if you want to buy Japanese exclusive games, and then pirate the unofficially translated versions.
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Piratebay.
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either patreon or itch-io. But it does depend on the creator. You’ll find many Japanese games on dl-site for example.
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Payment providers are run by fuckin’ puritans…
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Oh shit, I saw that the original Leisure Suit Larry games are no longer for sale... wonder if this is why?
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Naw. That's a rights issue, however they are available on GOG.
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new gamestore named Steaming Hot
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I don't mind these games existing, but I'm also not going to be too sad if they leave steam, ngl.
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A rare L for Steam.
Not exactly their fault, but I wonder what changed that made them start caring.
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Probably the last tweet that was posted on this thread, if PayPal was denying purchases in certain regions than steam would get scared
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That was kinda what I was alluding to. Apparently it worked before that, but they decided to make up extra rules or turned up enforcement.
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Does this mean they got rid of that one game where you drug your sister/wife repeatedly so a guy in the hallway doesn't kill you?
12 Minutes that's what it was called !
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I thought you were talking about Crusader Kings III
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Does it count as repeatedly when its in a time loop?
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I would argue that since the game requires you to do it multiple times to figure out what's going on, yes it does count as repeatedly.
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Payment platforms have problems with incest and furry content from the looks of that list.
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If they’re going to enforce that rule impartially, they’ll have to ban Crusader Kings III as well.
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I’m equally cautious and curious… Redemption of Li Wei…?
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Is national payment processing the solution?... International public payment processing?
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Link post about this thing an hour earlier - 10 upvotes. Picture with the same news one hour later - 10x more. Average Lemmy user is no longer distinguishable from a Reddit user :(
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What are you complaining about here exactly?
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I’m complaining about the state of things.
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As long as I get to keep my VR Paradise
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I was gonna get The Adventures of Kincaid,a furry porn game where you can screw several characters and enemies when you defeat them. The player character is female, and the sex is framed as the character patching up defeated enemies.
There is a similar free game called Naughty Rabbit by a Japanese developer called Be Kon Box... but it is kinda rapey until you realize the females can refuse sex if you don't do it right, which makes me wonder if the sexual dynamics of the world involve kicking ass as courtship before screwing. Also he added some dynamics where the female enemies sexually assault the male player character. Its kinda fascinating.
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Is it just me, or does the first photo seem to read that the payment processor standards and the removal of invest games are unrelated? Like, games removed that violate payments processor standards removed. At the same time, incest games are removed too.
With the paragraph break it feels unclear that these incest games are likely in violation of the standards, and instead that they are seperate matters and in fact payments processors may not care about incest games at all.
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It’s just you.
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After looking at the game list, I fully support this and urge anyone who doesn't to look at the banned games.
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Everybody relax! The arbitrary moralizing exclusion of perfectly legal software was only stuff that sounds gross and unpopular.
There's no way this censorship could affect anything benign, here in this era of unquestioned queer acceptance, free expression between adults, and reliable protection of individual rights.
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It doesn't matter what was banned. It could be the most heinous shit imaginable and payment processors dictating what is allowed to exist would still be horrible.
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yup. there's a whole bunch of people who will cry 'but this slippery slope' - sorry your incest twins use too much lube, that freaky slope is your problem, not Steam's. get over yourselves. it's a private company, nothing compels it to carry your daddy twins incest shit.
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Oh no, anyway.
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I don't care about these games and not even about steam, but a payment provider having any power over what content a service offers is really bad. It's like your supermarket checking if you eat your food they sold you with cutlery.
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I think a better example would be net neutrality. The whole purpose of the payment provider is to move money from Person A to Person B. Just like how ISP is meant to get you from Website A to Website B.
It would be like your ISP going "Woah there buckeroo. You can't go to Duck, Duck Go to search. We only let you go to Google."
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Or maybe using the payment processor's TOS allows them to remove pervy Ai horseshit without having to mod their own TOS. Slam dunk, frankly:
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Or maybe using the payment processor's TOS allows them to remove pervy Ai horseshit without having to mod their own TOS.
Slam dunk, frankly.
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G*mers and GabeN throwing a shit fit right now.
GabeN going to buy more Aston Martins to crash.
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Finally good news
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While the effect of not having as much random porn on steam is kinda nice, the underlying reasons for this are fucking horrifying because it's further proof that some giant american companies (visa, paypal, mastercard) are the global morality police.
And it's just random porn subgenres getting removed anyway so it kinda does nothing about the flood of those anyway.
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It won't be random - MasterVisa attacks the more 'vile' genres first to establish precedent, then they will start to persecute LGBTQ+ sexuality. The endgame is to define your everyday life, including whom you are allowed to love.
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While the effect of not having as much random porn on steam is kinda nice, the underlying reasons for this are fucking horrifying because it’s further proof that some giant american companies (visa, paypal, mastercard) are the global morality police.
They have been for decades. You just aren't going to see news stories anywhere major when what's being banned by the morality police is something like loli or zoo content, but stuff no one wants to publicly defend are targeted first to set precedent to justify anything else they might want to ban later.
See the H.L. Mencken quote about defending scoundrels.
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While the effect of not having as much random porn on steam is kinda nice
There's a box you have to check in your settings to even see it. Just turn that off if you don't want to see it.
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