Trump threatens 35% tariffs on Canada starting Aug. 1

Carney needs to grow a pair. I've had enough of him not saying anything. We voted for elbows up, not subservience. I'm still not clear what we got for the DST removal.
- I'm also an NDP voter that voted LPC over CPC. I knew we wouldn't get Value(s) Carney, but I do believe that if anyone is going to shift capitalism in a better direction it would be him.
  As a former bouncer I completely disagree that silence is a sign of weakness or subservience. That's just good tact. Never argue with an idiot, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
  Elbows Up doesn't mean you should draw a penalty. You're supposed to hit them hard and get away with it.
  As far as the DST. I find it interesting that a tax we never collected is being framed as a loss we deserve compensation for.
  A month ago I thought bills C-2 & C-5 were overreach, and their lack of oversight definitely is... I wrote several letters to that effect. But given the continuation of Trumps annexation rhetoric, I now recognize those bills were designed for a political environment that is still burgeoning.
  Based on Trumps usage of ICE I believe it's inevitable that the USA will use domestic crossings to affect some form of hybrid war against Canada. Russia & China will certainly occupy northern Canada if we don't rapidly expand our national infrastructure.
  These threats, I believe, do justify deprioritizing environmental concerns, to a degree.
  I think the silver lining is that Carney's energy expansion in to oil/gas is not mutually exclusive with expanding renewable energy.
  I also sold mortgages for a short time and saw the industry change more in 24 months than 24 years. I agree that the least harmful economic solution to housing is to freeze housing prices where they are until cost of living and supply normalize. The alternative of housing prices drop would have a net negative effect. The CMHC in 2014 & 15 made major changes to reduce Canadian borrowing power to avoid a post mortgage crisis of mass defaults like what we saw in the USA.
  I think the world is too volatile right now to expect concrete plans that aren't heavily hedged. Carney is playing the game correctly by holding Canada's cards close and not telling his bluffs.
  
  holding Canada's cards close and not telling his bluffs.
  That's what the "just tell us what you're doing in the negotiations" crowd seems to miss.
  It would be colossally stupid to put out a press release that tells the other players what cards you're holding, and what your planned strategy is.
  
  As far as the DST. I find it interesting that a tax we never collected is being framed as a loss we deserve compensation for.
  I can explain that. While on the one hand I don’t really have a problem with attempting to level the playing field between international tech companies that don’t pay any corporate taxes in Canada and local Canadian companies who do, the big problem is that ultimately the pocket that those taxes will come from is “all of us” (at least those of us who use American online services). The companies weren’t going to take a loss — they were just going to jack up the prices they charge to Canadians.
  And because the payment was intended to be retroactive to 2022, we’ve likely already been paying it. Again, big tech companies weren’t going to take a loss, and they’ve known about the payment date for years now, so they’ve been collecting it from us in the form of higher subscription fees and rates. And now that the DST is cancelled — they get to keep it. Oh, and as we’re now all used to paying the higher rates, they get to keep that too.
  So that’s where the loss is. IMO the DST wasn’t all that great an idea to start with (taxing those companies sounds great until you realize they’re just jacking their prices up on us to pay for it), but having told companies to plan for it all these years and then yank it back has just put a ton of Canadian dollars into their coffers they don’t have to give back. And they’ll keep charging us the jacked-up rates we’re now used to and keep that as well.
  
  Housing prices rose because we brought in 1.4 million people in a single year and tripled immigration, blaming capitalism for that seems a bit silly. Trying to implement price controls is great but how do you decide who gets the cheaper house, you've done nothing to improve the supply while the demand continues to increase.
- I’m still not clear what we got for the DST removal.
  The U.S. temporarily ended trade talks in late June over Canada’s digital services tax, but the federal government moved to drop the tax just days later and negotiations resumed.
  
  Yes, and apparently they include 35% tariffs across the board now. So the question remains, what did we get for dropping the DST?
  
  We got jack and shit, and jack left town (ref).
- He wants housing prices to remain elevated, you dont get that by cutting off your supply of USD.
- Con troll. Blocked.
  
  HAHAHA I hate the Cons and am an NDP voter who lent Carney my vote (first time voting Lib, actually) because I felt a Con government would handle Trump exactly the way Carney apparently is doing, apparently.
  That will likely be the first and last time, that is for sure.
  
  Goof.

Bring it, removed.
I will never visit the us again. i cancelled netflix, prime, apple music. i use crave, cbc gem, and qobuz now. i installed ubuntu on my old surface pro and it works beautifully. switched to libre office. my next phone will be a fairphone.
when i go to the grocery store, if an item i want is a product of the usa, i eat something else.
- I also cancelled and use the same services! Qobuz is pretty good, it has a lot of room to improve but it’s keeping me more up to date with music than Apple was.
  I got Sync.com (Canadian) instead of iCloud (though iCloud is not fully replaceable). My backup server is in the EU because I use custom borg scripts, but there’s also eazyBackup in Canada.
  I own my own domain for email, and I bought my wife one too so she can get off of Gmail.
- Legend. I had cancelled all that but then Telus came in and offered it for free. So technically I have it, but I'm not really paying for it.

We’re done with the US. let them Tax themselves into oblivion. We have closer friends now to trade with.

bring back DST and 3X it, fuck em.
- Add a “reciprocal” US services tax on top.

Buy Canadian 💪🍁

Trump is named in the Epstein files.
Trump cut NOAA and FEMA funding before flash flooding killed over 200 people in Texas including two dozen Christian girls.

Turn off their power.
- Cool, calm reciprocity. They Tarrif us, we Tarrif them where it hurts in equal measure.
  For everything else, there are better trade partners.

Someone needs to take out this pedophile president.
- Don't forget, multiple time felon.

"You will never be disappointed with the United States of America."
We're fucking disappointed. Every fucking year of this relationshit. You are an utter disappointment in nearly every way.

Sure Donnie, now please go take your meds.

Meh. He'll change his mind at least 15 more times before Aug 1st.
- Every 2 weeks, methinks...
  
  2 weeks Trumpy time is either very short or never happens.

So are we gonna get a TACO pool going... everyone bet which day Trump caves and winner takes all.

Carney can't decide if he wants elbows up or not. In fact, he flipflops so much, he looks like hes doing the chicken dance.
- No I think he knows exactly what he's doing and it has very little to do with anything Trump does, despite what he or anyone else says.
  He's handing our money to corporations and butt fucking us in a much quieter way than PP would have, but he seems to be doing it very intentionally.
  
  He's a banker. He's on capitalism's side, not the people's.
  
  So fucken true!! Really disappointed in Carney so far. He’s not standing up to Trump, doing everything in secret, no updates. Paying American companies for military equipment (night vision), not cancelling the fighter jets order, begging the abuser to trade with us while we’re giving shit up left right and centre. Fuck this!! But PP and cons would not be better.
  
  I suppose you're right. It's irresponsible to let him plead stupidity for fleecing us, when it's all very calculated.
- What are some examples? The DST is postponed as trade leverage which is still ongoing. I haven't seen him flop flop on anything yet, and he hasn't been PM for long enough to see how anything had played out. He seems very calculated and has been getting great results so far within Canada and internationally.

🌮

Less trade with the US the better
Hopefully he actually follows through

👏 Turn 👏 off 👏 the 👏 power.
Even just for an hour. Until all levels of US government understands that Canada is able to disrupt their country in a massive way they will keep playing these stupid games.
- Idk I feel like cutting off basic needs for large swathes of civilians might be an irresponsible escalation of an already devolving situation
  
  They are already doing just that to their own people AND we are in their sights. How much to Canadians have to suffer before it's "ok" to push back.
  
  "I know they're killing children, but we have to remain polite!"

Oh, no! Empty threats. What will the world do.

giv'er buddy, we don't want your shit or your business.

More forest fire smoke down south then.
- We need some fans on the border to blow it towards the US. Smoke turbines.

Taco

This letter has to be one of the greatest rage-bait posts ever. Trump really know how to do it.
the United States of America has agreed to continue working with Canada, despite Canada having financially retaliated against the United States
Barely and only after he swung the first blow and started shit over nothing, yeah.
the United States imposed Tariffs on Canada to deal with our National Fentanyl crisis, which is caused, in part, by Canada's failure to stop the drugs from pouring into our Country.
"In part" meaning less than a single percent. "Failure to stop" meaning a massive increase in border presence and fentanyl seizures.
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Instead of working with the United States
See above, we implemented border security measures to appease the charade of Fentanyl being an issue.
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there will be no Tariff if Canada, or companies within your Country, decide to build or manufacture product within the United States
Perfect! Let's just make ourselves the States' little removed, completely reliant on them for everything and with no details on how much production we even have to move over so that he can just say we didn't fulfill our part of the bargain whenever he wants. Why wouldn't we do that? Jesus H Christ.
Canada charges extraordinary Tariffs to our Dairy Farmers — up to 400%
Two things, 1. tariffs to protect your local agriculture makes sense to not become reliant on other countries for food. 2. that "up to" is doing HEAVY lifting as those high rates are almost never in effect¹, so why do you even care. Oh right, you don't care! This is all a sham.
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- it's only enraging if you take him at his word, which you should never do. It's all lies and projection, and he's going to do whatever he's going to do regardless of the response.

Just match the American tariffs. They will end up doing the same thing as they did with China: end up backing off.
- China has much more leverage than Canada, and they have 30% coming on them in August. So not too much hope of Trump backing off very far, unfortunately.

I just want him to make up his mind and stick to it

Our leaderships tried appeasement and appeal to "fortress Can-Am". Maybe they are all paid/programmed to be loyal CIA colonists, and had to at least try keeping the same political capital that brought them to leadership. Fine, we are open to joining EU in context of CIA colonies and NATO subservience, with absurd 5% of GDP spent primarily on US weapons, but that EU proposition must change.
Yes, Canada, EU, and Asian colonies should coordinate on US war against them. It has to be in the context of an alliance with China against the US, or the serious threat of that as a negotiation stance, and full detente with China until negotiations are successful. Removing US from NATO, Council of Americas, and NORAD or charging them significant rent for any bases/presence/services. We must end the US project of a proxy war on Russia, and the delusional fear manufacturing that Russia is a bigger threat than the US, that we only make true through US programed suicidal hatred towards Russia. Joining EU for purposes of distracting population that a war on Russia is more important than economic collapse, just because political power can be rallied behind instead of rejected as cause of collapse, it a bad reason to join EU.
Carney's "The special relationship with US is over" has to be followed up with different behaviour than begging to be a more subservient colony. Maybe this is the final wakeup call? If not, just more abuse to follow.