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irelephant [he/him] @lemmy.dbzer0.com

7d ago

Anarcho-capitalists aren't anarchists

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Ancaps are corporate feudalists who want a cool sounding name.
- And they will sometimes mask slip their intentions
  
  Well I guess we now know what kind of idiot starts their manifesto with abandoning any form of morality
  
  Sweet mother of fuck just blatantly desiring/justifying slavery is..wild.
  “I dream of a world where I can enslave the poors with no consequence” essentially.
  
  I replied to him, let's see how long until it gets removed or he starts whining that he's rich so I have no right
  
  That last paragraph was a wild read
- As if corporate feudalism wasn't cool enough. Sounds cyberpunk as hell
- Even old fashioned anarcho-monarchists are closer to anarchists than ephebophiles. (Please use the correct name for their ideologies)

I fuckkng despise how ancaps have completely coopted the term "libertarian" in the US, to the point where they are synonymous to most.
- Nowadays every time someone says they're a libertarian, I ask them about Mexican immigration. You're not a True Scotsman if you aren't even from Scotland.
  
  There is the kind of old fashioned version whos wrong and crazy but not too much of a bigot and fun as hell if you can put up with how creepy they are.
  Most who identify as ephebophiles these days aren't that guy, though.
  
  I don't think true libertarians have good ideas, but its also not unusual that the libertarian party is largely for republicans that are brand aware as they say.

Ancaps aren't against violence, they are just against monopoly on violence.
- They're ok with other monopolies though.
  
  Yeah it's just the State's monopoly on violence they have a problem with, it's fine if a company does it
- On paper, they're against monopoly, but really they love it.
- They have no problem with monopoly of violence, as long as it's "voluntary", by which of course they mean economically coerced.

- Liberals are definitely not leftist.

Depends on subschool of ancaps really. Some ancaps properly despise nonlocal enflated bullshit. I also know anarcho-socialists that are total government boot licking nazis; that's much less popular in that class than in ancap, I admit.
- Anarchists oppose the hierarchy created by government and capitalism alike. It sounds like the people you're describing don't really practice the anarchist ethos
  
  It's very complex academic question we have no answer to. I like to listen to all points of view, even those I do not support and those I oppose, to understand them, thus I have some kind of explanation here.
  As I understand that, it's matter of resource management. There is huge ancap movement to replace monetary market with another form of social consensus, something like multi-money (some tokens to account for various resources and mechanisms to settle imbalances), or reputation engines (giving people with better chances of serving the common good more resources). "Good" ancap comes so close to other reasonable anarchy schools, that it totally sounds sane. It's a rare thing, often found only among the most educated capitalists and sympathizers.
  Then there is just notion of understanding that imperialistic capitalism where resources concentrate in few actors hands sucks, and with better economical education The Free People should naturally resist it. Or die trying, well, naturally.
  It is indeed a complex academic problem; yet I see popular ancap bs as theoretically redeemable through education (and practically, yes, I totally agree with the point of this drawing). Things are too screwed now to play these games, but rejecting a point of view altogether is not wise.
- I also know anarcho-socialists that are total government boot licking nazis
  what? how?
  
  They aren't honest about their ideology.
  
  they are idiots, happens
  like how russians claim that they are traditionalists, but have no real traditions except for those made up in USSR to force order and highest divorce rates. Just imagining themselves
  
  Lying, i expect.
- The first time i read “ancap” i thought it meant anti capitalist. Boy was that a fun conversation with the guy that proudly proclaimed to be one.
  
  We should make it mean that.
  
  antcap
  🐜🧢
- I find ancaps to be in the bigger fantasy land than the ancoms. Their ideas are disjointed from history and reality, nor do they have any good moral motivations (personal greed and profits) for them. I find it funny that they call normal people statist to make fun of them as a religious cult when most of their talking points are a tautology and one cannot question if a capitalist will every use their influence to harm others.
  Also DOGE is the most relevant libertarian (inspired by ancap president of Argentina) policy and it sucks
  
  This is local US issue. With your firepower, sure, nothing is local, but yet.
  Finnish government is quite libertarian now, - it sucks, as any modern government, but it doesn't suck like DOGE. It doesn't suck like most. It's actually ok-ish, as long as it doesn't mess things up, and it doesn't; it doesn't do much besides allowing more alcohol in supermarkets and forbidding russians to cross the border at will to fuck things up. Borders are bullshit, but then it's more like front line between us and totalitarian hell here.

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