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Stamets @lemmy.world

2mo ago

Fuck it, why not

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Kind of terrifying since I use maps pretty much exclusively for places I haven't been to yet, so I'm not totally unfamiliar when I go there
- Gotta get a quest to drop a POI out there
- You could make it a "mode" of sorts. Like a map overlay that will temporarily cover everything you havent been to.

This would actually encourage me to explore new areas of my city.
- I've been doing exactly that with an app called Fog of World.
  5 years of progress so far.
  
  $30 👀 I’d need a lot of convincing…
  
  In the last 5 years, I've left my state one time that I remember
  
  Do you drive for work?
  
  This may be a newb question… but, how you do dat?
  As in, how do you pull all of your gps data out of google maps?
  
  You've been through my little town :)
- What about Streetcomplete? You explore and help others at the same time...
  https://streetcomplete.app/
- Pikmin Bloom does exactly this

You should have to fill it in by climbing a big tower
- Alain Robert way ahead of us all on that one!

And then not google.
- someone should make PR in CoMaps or OwnTracks for this feature

Had that (for OpenStreetMap) on my long list of project ideas, including quests you could take to some random monuments. Maybe one day.
- Combine that with Street Complete and you have a game
- There is an app of fdroid and google play called street complete. Its basically quests to fill in local missing data on openstreet map
  
  You have reminded me that StreetComplete exists. I used to use it a while back, but for the last few years, I lived in an area that was already pretty thoroughly mapped. However, I would wager that where I live now is more sparsely documented; I've only recently moved here, and StreetComplete could be a nice way to become more settled.
- Had that (for OpenStreetMap) on my long list of project ideas
  haha, same. Ok, I kick it from my list and you do it.
  
  I expect contributions!

Please add fast travel for places you've been in the next patch
- Like a train station?
  
  Like a train station?
  Honestly, I'd be fine with a fast travel sign post as long as worked as intended.
- Honestly, I'd rather have them remove all timed quests. Those are the ones that suck the enjoyment out of my travel experiences.

Anyone aware of an offline local alternative to https://fogofworld.app/ ?
- Dawarich has support for this. Be aware it is under very active development and has semi-frequent breaking changes though (No data loss, just manual steps to upgrade).
  For example, here's my recent trip to Austin for the Counter-Strike Major:
  
  And with regular routing:
  
  It technically works offline because you can record your location and load it afterwards, but I use it by ingesting my location that is tracked by Home Assistant
  
  Hey, exactly what I was looking for. Thanks, and sorry for the late reply.
  
  The github link tells me access denied
- How do you expect to get positional tracking while being offline?
  
  Why would you need an Internet connection to use GPS?
  
  Is this what people think? That you need an internet connection tion to use GPS?
  
  Navsats and OpenStreetMaps?
  
  A GNSS.
  
  GPS via Satellites is offline! All satellites do(*) is transmit down to the Earth's surface. Those signals will exist whether there's a receiver there (ie. Your phone) or not. A GPS works by detecting those signals (ideally it will get at least 4 different ones for best accuracy) and calculating your location by triangulating it based on the signals (**). No upload on your end is required, it's very similar to how radio works.
  (*) As in, all they need to do is this. Specific satellites have different features for different jobs and specs. But all they have to do to make GPS work is transmit.
  (**) I mean "triangulate" as in the principle of triangulation, as in being able to determine the geography of a point via the topology of it to other known points. It's not actual triangulation with satellites because a fourth one acts as a correction factor -- we're dealing with signals going the speed of light after all. But that isn't important for whether or not GPS needs to upload anything to work -- it doesn't.
- Fog Of World really isn't so bad. For some reason it makes you back up to Dropbox or Onedrive but I suppose you could just not hook them up and keep it all offline. It's better than handing your data to some random company, I doubt Dropbox/Microsoft are going to analyze some random app's data like this to track you.
  
  I was under the impression that fog of world had a sort of ranking/competition where they would gather and compare maps of users. Can you opt-out of them getting your data, yet having the cool map display your exploration?
- There was some confusion regarding what I meant by "offline".
  Offline meant off the internet. What I actualy meant, was that I can log my gps coordinates, cool. But I'd love a geographic map app that would be able to display those in a "fog of war" styled map, without internet connection.
  I was under the impression that fog of world was collecting users' data. Another user suggested the possibility of opting out. That'd be great. A fully open source android implementation of the concept would be better, but hey, I have work tomorrow...

I would absolutely love that. Fuck fast travel, let me explore!
- same,
  would be nice to see where you have exploded,
  wonder if google has an API to get that info from your location history and make a web app that shows you how much you've explored
  
  Dawarich is self-hosted, foss, and lets you track your location history and import from Google or a GPX file, and also you can use the OwnTracks app and connect to it to automatically sync.
  
  would be nice to see where you have exploded,
  I don’t think it would be nice to see where people exploded, to be honest.

A map that only knows my home PC, work PC, and the 2 routes in-between?
- What else would you need it for?
  
  I already know the 2 routes.

like i need to tell google more about me
- Doesn’t need to be made by Google. It could be self hosted. Be the change you want to see in the world 😉
  
  it IS self-hosted. Look up Dawarich.
- you can request your data from Google (not sure if there's an api), and use that data to make you own map
  
  Location data is one of the things that you can export through Google takeout , I believe — though I'm not sure what format that would come in.
  I don't imagine it would be too hard for a dedicated nerd who is procrastinating other work to write a thing to parse that data and view it in a map based on something more open, like Openstreetmaps.

Fog of World has existed for a long time
- Does that work without gsf/google maps?
- How do you add this to the Google Maps Android app?

Does this exist as Open Source with OSM instead of Google?
- Yes
  
  Do you have a document or site to reference?

I guarantee Google already has a fog of war map of every place you've ever been
- I doubt it but I'm willing to play. How?

I want that

OK, let me get this correct. The idea is to make the map not show places you have not been, the map that one uses to tell you how to get to places you have not yet been?
Am I missing something here, do people use google maps to go to place they have been already? Why?
- traffic conditions
  
  That has also kinda confused me, but might be my area. Does the traffic conditions change your route? does it stop you from going?
- some people are dogshit with directions, or it's a place they went once.
  
  People are that bad with 3d space? Really?
  Should we be concerned?
- I think maps can be used for other stuff than just navigating. You're quite right that this would be useless for actually navigating (which is probably the main purpose of using a map or other navigation software), but it could be a fun concept for looking back on things.
  I don't use Google stuff as much nowadays, so they might have gotten rid of it (knowing Google, I wouldn't be surprised), but I remember that one of the sections within the Google maps app was a "Timeline" section. I used that section a few times to check whether I actually went to a particular appointment that was scheduled a month or so prior, or to check which restaurant I ate at when I was last in [city]. I also found it fun to look at the overview of things, like being able to see the pins corresponding to the silly road trip I took with friends a few years ago. It's nice to look back every now and then.
  
  I have some anxiety just thinking about going though my own recorded position from years ago. Like I know they are collecting it, but that is too much.

this is just the Waze map editor
your editable region is just around streets you've been on

I’d love this, but like Hero’s Path so it knows everywhere you’ve ever been, like the time I somehow made it back to Merton from wherever the night bus dropped me off drunk that time.
- Did you really make it back fully, though? What did you leave behind that night?

This is the most basic-ass tourist hotspot map of NYC…and they didn’t even go a few blocks up to hit Central Park? The fuck

Only if I get achievements for uncovering large segments of my map, probably by neighborhood.

... and/or aren't planning to go. I would love to get through Bloomington, IN without seeing the location of every Liquor store dotting my navigation screen. Can't be personalized, as I basically never visit Liquor stores.
- Can’t be personalized, as I basically never visit Liquor stores.
  Either that, your you visit liquor stores so much your don't remember visiting liquor stores! :D

Your feeling of helplessness is your best friend, savage! cranks RA2 OST

Mobile OSM is a bit like that when it hasn't downloaded the tiles for the regions you don't usually go to.
- Imagine not downloading the entire world (in case one takes a wrong turn somewhere and end up on the other side of the world) to a dedicated map app.
  What do you do if you end up on the other side of the world by accident and there's no internet available?
  What do you do?
  This is why I've also downloaded nautical maps with depth indicators for the seven seas and then some. You know, just in case I go down. No internet under water.

Have they never left that circle ever?

This has never crossed my mind. I wouldn’t mind an irl open world with an open map option and fog of war.
Edit: grammar error

I'm in, can I do this now? I'm very far from home at the moment

Why can't they just do it like the indexer and work on it like hyperlinks? Blue for not seen and purple for where you've been. Done.

Yes Alex, can I buy a pixel?

I stumbled upon someone online who was making just that. Then they dropped it. Don't remember who it was, but I looked for them from time to time on Nitter (prolly had on browser bookmarks)

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